2017 Hawks Offseason Thread

[Jamaaliver]

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I'd love to bring in this guy. I've been a fan his whole career. His vet presence and championship experience is something that could really benefit Dennis and Taurean.

I'd have to think we would be better end-of-career options than PHX or Minny. And I assume we're in the mix because of our new GM and the coming salary cap apocalypse GSW is inevitably approaching.

[tbhawksfan1]

Would he be a vet presence to mold a youth movement (rebuild) or another retread band-aid to maybe get us to 40 wins and another late teen 20018 pick?

[Jamaaliver]

Would he be a vet presence to mold a youth movement (rebuild) or another retread band-aid to maybe get us to 40 wins and another late teen 20018 pick?

It'll be hard for us to dump D12. So I'd grant Iggy a big-money, 2-year contract to play SG/SF on our perennial playoff team next to Dwight.


I just don't foresee rebuilding with a 31 year old future Hall of Fame Center on the roster. Even if we'd undoubtedly benefit from doing so.

So I'd surround Dennis and T Prince with accomplished, established vets for the next couple of years. Completely revamping the system in the process.

[Jamaaliver]

Here is a comprehensive look at draft picks we own over the next 4 years.

AJC

[tbhawksfan1]

I'm familiar with the picks and for the moment there's nothing but post lottery. D Howard can be moved if the Hawks are willing to take back salary. They could even easily get a mid first. A mid-first, #19, #31, now they're starting to get there

[tbhawksfan1]

When people try to make our future pick situation look good, I"m calling wanna-be. Yeah, we got a late first and a couple seconds coming in the next few years, plus all our picks. That's nice, but I'd trade all of the non-our picks for either of BOS's Net's firsts the next two years.

As a team clinging to diminishing playoff hopes, cap he!! and fans that don't want to rebuild, these weak picks are no consolation.

Trade what few assets are still here and improve the draft to at least have a chance

[Jamaaliver]

C-Viv:What is your philosophy on moving into NBA’s luxury tax?

Trav Schlenk: I don’t think it makes sense for a franchise to go into the tax unless you are competing for a championship. To go into the tax to try to get an eight, seven seed...that’s not right.

If we can make a move that’s going to put us in the tax bracket by a few million dollars and it gives us a better chance to win a championship, that’s when I’ll knock on Tony (Ressler’s) door and say ‘Listen, this is something we need to do because it will get us to where we want to go.’ Until we get to that point, I can’t sit here and say it’s a smart business decision to go into the tax. (It’s worth noting that Ressler then chimed in and said “I share that view.”)

myAJC



Seriously, it doesn't sound like Trav is gonna bend over backward to keep Paul. I expect a modest offer at best.

[dms269]

If you ever need a laugh. Check the comments on the Hawks Facebook page. They posted something about Collins (Wake Forrest PF) and the comments were about how we only draft projects and need to draft a superstar and how we need to trade/sign Klay.

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NBA Teams Facing Toughest Offseasons

2. Atlanta Hawks

Atlanta won't have anything more than the mid-level exception to spend if Millsap stays. That's not enough money to shore up a 43-win squad that caved in the end of the first round—especially if it's accompanied by the departure of Tim Hardaway Jr.

Mike Budenholzer wants to re-sign the restricted free agent, but the Hawks aren't getting him for less than eight figures per year. Keep both him and Millsap, and they could funnel more than $100 million annually into a five-player core that also includes Kent Bazemore, Dwight Howard and Dennis Schroder.

Talk about crummy ultimatums. The Hawks can either cannonball into the luxury tax to extend the shelf life of a team that'll be lucky to get out of the first round in years to come, or they can rebuild while losing Millsap for nothing and knowing neither Howard nor Bazemore will yield anything of value on the trade market.

What's the rookie general manager to do?
Consign the Hawks to another few years' worth of mediocrity?
Re-sign Hardaway and Millsap with the hope that they, unlike Howard, generate significant trade interest later?
Start over and rebuild around Schroder, DeAndre' Bembry, Taurean Prince and this year's No. 19 selection?

No matter what the Hawks do to address their precarious situation, it's tough to see them finishing the summer without making concessions they'll regret later.

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[tbhawksfan1]

By tough offseason, they mean we're screwed

[Geaux_Hawks]

I'm honestly ready and willing to just let Sap walk. He was a fan favorite of mine, but it's probably best if both parties move on from this marriage. Better to use our cap space and prep for the future. Bringing Sap back just keeps us stagnant for the next few years. I mean we let Al walk, so what will it hurt to let Paul walk?

[tbhawksfan1]

I'm honestly ready and willing to just let Sap walk. He was a fan favorite of mine, but it's probably best if both parties move on from this marriage. Better to use our cap space and prep for the future. Bringing Sap back just keeps us stagnant for the next few years. I mean we let Al walk, so what will it hurt to let Paul walk?

What will it hurt? Well losing your two best players in back to back years...signing bad contracts in the effort to maintain, then have the best walk for nothing...what does it hurt?

The next three or so years will likely be painful evidence of what it hurt. Hawks weren't that good before the poor management.

[Jamaaliver]

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Not only is Kevin Durant staying with the Warriors, but according to ESPN.com's Chris Haynes and Ramona Shelburne, he's willing to return on a discounted deal that lets the team retain Bird rights to Andre Iguodala and Shaun Livingston.

What a guy.

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With this in mind, I can't see much chance of Iggy leaving the world champs to come to the dirty

[Jamaaliver]

Let one All-Star, in Al Horford, leave without capitalizing on his exit? Shame on you.

Allow another All Star to walk out the door for nothing when you had the opportunity to move him at the trade deadline? You're the reason the NBA needs a system that allows for relegation—or at least fines due to glaring incompetency.

Losing Millsap to a more attractive situation is the bigger threat. He may want to stay with the Hawks now, but they're not getting out of the second round anytime soon. They won't have more than the mid-level exception to improve the roster, and it's possible they begin next year with more than $100 million allocated to a six-player core..

Most teams would plunge into a rebuild following the exit of a superstar from a one-star outfit. Small-markets like Atlanta don't always have that luxury. With $55-plus million tied up in Bazemore, Howard and Schroder, the Hawks are more likely to try treading water in the middle.

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[Geaux_Hawks]

I'm honestly ready and willing to just let Sap walk. He was a fan favorite of mine, but it's probably best if both parties move on from this marriage. Better to use our cap space and prep for the future. Bringing Sap back just keeps us stagnant for the next few years. I mean we let Al walk, so what will it hurt to let Paul walk?

What will it hurt? Well losing your two best players in back to back years...signing bad contracts in the effort to maintain, then have the best walk for nothing...what does it hurt?

The next three or so years will likely be painful evidence of what it hurt. Hawks weren't that good before the poor management.

That's Budcox own fault though, and it's now Travis Schlenk calling the shots, so he will not be heavily invested in signing a guy that's not worth the money he will ask from us to stay considering he has no ties and said player hasn't really put us over the top either while being an older player. It's not like our best players have had us in the Finals, let alone the conference finals every year. When we did make the ECF, we got swept with a "60 win team". Now we're sitting on huge contract talks for a guy that will be exiting his prime years, and isn't a 1st team all NBA player. Sap is a 3rd tier star looking for Lebron money to stay in Atlanta more than likely..

[D21]

When we did make the ECF, we got swept with a "60 win team". Now we're sitting on huge contract talks for a guy that will be exiting his prime years, and isn't a 1st team all NBA player. Sap is a 3rd tier star looking for Lebron money to stay in Atlanta more than likely..

Keep in mind that they were without Thabo, and almost all injured starting the playoffs and during the ECF (Korver, Carroll).
It's a sweep but it could have been different.

And without the scouting report episode before the start of this season, they were in contact with Gasol (who preferred to sign for 7M with CHI) and Deng (who preferred MIA for 10M) with possibility to add both.

This 60W team with one or both of Deng/Gasol... they certainly don't get swept and are a true contender.
So at this moment, it was clearly a bad move to not add these guys, but hard to know if they considered ATL and if only the scouting report episode made them pick other teams... without that stupid thing, would one of them have signed here ?...

[Jamaaliver]

And without the scouting report episode before the start of this season, they were in contact with Gasol (who preferred to sign for 7M with CHI) and Deng (who preferred MIA for 10M) with possibility to add both.

...hard to know if they considered ATL and if only the scouting report episode made them pick other teams... without that stupid thing, would one of them have signed here ?...

Ferry's fiasco didn't go public until September.

Gasol and Deng agreed to free agent deals in July. Here Here

We also waited later into free agency to pursue Pau Gasol, presumably after being spurned by LeBron and Carmelo.

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I think our biggest issue signing those guys was that we were coming off a losing season the year prior -- plus three straight first round exits.

[D21]

Maybe without that scouting report in July, they would have make a serious offer to Deng even if IMHO 10M was enough.

It also show a bad evaluation of their team because instead of searching for LeBron or Anthony wouldn't come, they should have know that Gasol and/or Deng coule be enough to make a real fight with CLE and still give more players to work on trade later to try to get a superstar.
At least, this is how I would have make it work. And to get vet like Gasol or Deng, you had to make an offer in the beginning to make them feel they were your first option

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