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Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1581 » by jayjaysee » Wed May 31, 2017 4:59 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:.

Do you have any interest in the package I can get from OKC for Favors(Wright, Sabonis + top 5 protected first 2020) + another first round pick(better of OKC/UTA 2018))?


Do you have any interest in Dellavedova?

What about something like this:

UTA gets Bledsoe
IND gets Sabonis
PHX gets Dellavedova + better of UTA/OKC 2018 pick + OKC 2020(top 5 protected)

?
jayjaysee are you interested?
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Delly is in Indiana right now, right? I'm not missing something?


Or ... is Reggie Jackson available, DocRI? Is PHX interested in him? Maybe something like:

UTA gets Bledsoe
DET gets Sabonis + Wright
PHX gets Reggie Jackson + better of UTA/OKC 2018 pick + OKC 2020(top 5 protected)

?

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Not a whole lot considering the same reasons mentioned about the last trade proposal above. I don't think much of Dellavedova.


Dellavedova was traded to Washington. I still have Dunn (who Phx didn't like either)

Indy should be done this offseason. An overpay to Teague and possibly the room exem on Brooks or Allen depending on if I should have more confidence in Dunn or Ian. I'm really not sure.

But I still really like Sabonis. Just have nothing for this template.

Myles/Ian
Thad/Morris/Niang/Mickey
PG/GR3
Evan/Lance
Teague/Dunn/Baldwin


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Post#1582 » by stitches » Wed May 31, 2017 5:02 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Dellavedova was traded to Washington. I still have Dunn (who Phx didn't like either)

Indy should be done this offseason. An overpay to Teague and possibly the room exem on Brooks or Allen depending on if I should have more confidence in Dunn or Ian. I'm really not sure.


Hey jayjaysee, are you still interested in the Favors trade? I will be fair and tell you I like OKCs offer better, but I will be meeting with Gordon Hayward soon and we will be discussing this one too, so if he prefers an established vet in Thad I might have to go with the worse long-term offer in order to make sure Hayward stays... just making sure if it's still on the table?
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Post#1583 » by jayjaysee » Wed May 31, 2017 5:13 pm

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jayjaysee wrote:Dellavedova was traded to Washington. I still have Dunn (who Phx didn't like either)

Indy should be done this offseason. An overpay to Teague and possibly the room exem on Brooks or Allen depending on if I should have more confidence in Dunn or Ian. I'm really not sure.


Hey jayjaysee, are you still interested in the Favors trade? I will be fair and tell you I like OKCs offer better, but I will be meeting with Gordon Hayward soon and we will be discussing this one too, so if he prefers an established vet in Thad I might have to go with the worse long-term offer in order to make sure Hayward stays... just making sure if it's still on the table?


I don't have a 2018 first to offer anymore and can't trade a 2020 first with Favors and PG being expirings. And my trade for Ian and MMorris makes me feel like I should be done making moves.

But I'm a pig.. So I would offer Thad+Dunn+Mickey. I know Mickey doesn't have much any value but I just wouldn't want him as I try to keep the final roster somewhere resembling the 2016 Pacers.

I definitely think OKC's offer is better, especially since you have Exum. But that would be my offer. So I understand the easy no.

I like the roster I ended up with but I was definitely a bit too quick to jump on deals haha.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1584 » by stitches » Wed May 31, 2017 5:42 pm

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jayjaysee wrote:Dellavedova was traded to Washington. I still have Dunn (who Phx didn't like either)

Indy should be done this offseason. An overpay to Teague and possibly the room exem on Brooks or Allen depending on if I should have more confidence in Dunn or Ian. I'm really not sure.


Hey jayjaysee, are you still interested in the Favors trade? I will be fair and tell you I like OKCs offer better, but I will be meeting with Gordon Hayward soon and we will be discussing this one too, so if he prefers an established vet in Thad I might have to go with the worse long-term offer in order to make sure Hayward stays... just making sure if it's still on the table?


I don't have a 2018 first to offer anymore and can't trade a 2020 first with Favors and PG being expirings. And my trade for Ian and MMorris makes me feel like I should be done making moves.

But I'm a pig.. So I would offer Thad+Dunn+Mickey. I know Mickey doesn't have much any value but I just wouldn't want him as I try to keep the final roster somewhere resembling the 2016 Pacers.

I definitely think OKC's offer is better, especially since you have Exum. But that would be my offer. So I understand the easy no.

I like the roster I ended up with but I was definitely a bit too quick to jump on deals haha.


Oh, Ok... I will keep it in mind. Cheers.
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Post#1585 » by DocRI » Wed May 31, 2017 6:52 pm

stitches wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:.

Do you have any interest in the package I can get from OKC for Favors(Wright, Sabonis + top 5 protected first 2020) + another first round pick(better of OKC/UTA 2018))?


Do you have any interest in Dellavedova?

What about something like this:

UTA gets Bledsoe
IND gets Sabonis
PHX gets Dellavedova + better of UTA/OKC 2018 pick + OKC 2020(top 5 protected)

?
jayjaysee are you interested?
jayjaysee wrote:.


Delly is in Indiana right now, right? I'm not missing something? Or was he in Washington? I'm losing track already.

NashtyNas would you be interested in something like Sabonis+Wright for Dellavedova(in case Delly is in WAS?)?
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Or ... is Reggie Jackson available, DocRI? Is PHX interested in him? Maybe something like:

UTA gets Bledsoe
DET gets Sabonis + Wright
PHX gets Reggie Jackson + better of UTA/OKC 2018 pick + OKC 2020(top 5 protected)

?

DocRI wrote:.


It seems like your efforts to trade for Bledsoe aren't gaining much traction, but I'd have to do this if it's on the table. Even though it leaves my roster unbalanced (too many big men, not enough guards), the financial implications, with an impending huge extension for Isaiah Thomas next offseason, are just too beneficial to pass up. So stitches, if you wanna keep trying to craft a three-team deal using Reggie Jackson like this, feel free to do so. Or, if you want to keep Jackson yourself for such a package, just let me know.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1586 » by stitches » Wed May 31, 2017 7:08 pm

DocRI wrote:It seems like your efforts to trade for Bledsoe aren't gaining much traction, but I'd have to do this if it's on the table. Even though it leaves my roster unbalanced (too many big men, not enough guards), the financial implications, with an impending huge extension for Isaiah Thomas next offseason, are just too beneficial to pass up. So stitches, if you wanna keep trying to craft a three-team deal using Reggie Jackson like this, feel free to do so. Or, if you want to keep Jackson yourself for such a package, just let me know.


I will keep it in mind, thanks. I've been trying to craft a trade around Bledsoe in accordance with what bwgood77 has stated he wants in return(vet PG + pick(s)). I have the picks...but I can't seem to find an acceptable PG. So if PHX are interested in Reggie Jackson that will be great.

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Post#1587 » by spearsy23 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 12:56 am

jayjaysee wrote:
stitches wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Dellavedova was traded to Washington. I still have Dunn (who Phx didn't like either)

Indy should be done this offseason. An overpay to Teague and possibly the room exem on Brooks or Allen depending on if I should have more confidence in Dunn or Ian. I'm really not sure.


Hey jayjaysee, are you still interested in the Favors trade? I will be fair and tell you I like OKCs offer better, but I will be meeting with Gordon Hayward soon and we will be discussing this one too, so if he prefers an established vet in Thad I might have to go with the worse long-term offer in order to make sure Hayward stays... just making sure if it's still on the table?


I don't have a 2018 first to offer anymore and can't trade a 2020 first with Favors and PG being expirings. And my trade for Ian and MMorris makes me feel like I should be done making moves.

But I'm a pig.. So I would offer Thad+Dunn+Mickey. I know Mickey doesn't have much any value but I just wouldn't want him as I try to keep the final roster somewhere resembling the 2016 Pacers.

I definitely think OKC's offer is better, especially since you have Exum. But that would be my offer. So I understand the easy no.

I like the roster I ended up with but I was definitely a bit too quick to jump on deals haha.

From OKC's end, if my deal with Utah doesn't pan out i might be interested in something with sabonis and thad as the basis.
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Post#1588 » by SD2042 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:33 am

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Clippers GM here

I might have missed this already. I was inquiring about Gallo. I don't know if you have a cap hold on him or have you already renounce his rights already. If not, maybe we could talk more on him? Thx!
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Post#1589 » by Mich3006 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:42 am

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Clippers GM here

I might have missed this already. I was inquiring about Gallo. I don't know if you have a cap hold on him or have you already renounce his rights already. If not, maybe we could talk more on him? Thx!

I renounced his cap hold. We´d love to have him back but not for max/near max money...

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kalenclayton wrote:.

You wouldn´t contemplate involving Tatum and Fox, right?

Suns aquire: Fox, Barton, Cam Oliver(?), DEN 2018 1st
Kings aquire: Tatum, Knight, Mudiay or MIN 2018 1st
Nuggets aquire: Bledsoe, (filler (Booker or Koufos), instead of Clarkson)
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Post#1590 » by Mich3006 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 11:01 am

spearsy23 wrote:.

Tyus Jones was traded to OKC, right (Can´t find him in your depth chart)?
Is he available for the 2018 GSW 2nd?
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Post#1591 » by Knickfan1982 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 11:11 am

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spearsy23 wrote:.

Tyus Jones was traded to OKC, right (Can´t find him in your depth chart)?
Is he available for the 2018 GSW 2nd?



I don't know if he moved him afterwards but I can confirm that I traded Jones to OKC as part of the deal that got me Oladipo.
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Post#1592 » by spearsy23 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 11:20 am

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spearsy23 wrote:.

Tyus Jones was traded to OKC, right (Can´t find him in your depth chart)?
Is he available for the 2018 GSW 2nd?



I don't know if he moved him afterwards but I can confirm that I traded Jones to OKC as part of the deal that got me Oladipo.

He was then moved to... I want to say Toronto? I honestly don't remember.

Edit: Milwaukee. They may have rehomed him already as well though.
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Post#1593 » by Knickfan1982 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 2:07 pm

I hate all this trading guys multiple times. This was supposed to be realistic. That's why I joined.
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Post#1594 » by kalenclayton » Thu Jun 1, 2017 2:19 pm

Ayatollah wrote:
SD2042 wrote:
Ayatollah wrote:.



Clippers GM here

I might have missed this already. I was inquiring about Gallo. I don't know if you have a cap hold on him or have you already renounce his rights already. If not, maybe we could talk more on him? Thx!

I renounced his cap hold. We´d love to have him back but not for max/near max money...

bwgood77 wrote:.

kalenclayton wrote:.

You wouldn´t contemplate involving Tatum and Fox, right?

Suns aquire: Fox, Barton, Cam Oliver(?), DEN 2018 1st
Kings aquire: Tatum, Knight, Mudiay or MIN 2018 1st
Nuggets aquire: Bledsoe, (filler (Booker or Koufos), instead of Clarkson)

Kings decline. I really, really like Fox and am not the biggest fan of Tatum on the Kings. It looks like decent value though.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1595 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 3:38 pm

Knickfan1982 wrote:I hate all this trading guys multiple times. This was supposed to be realistic. That's why I joined.


So far the Suns have been pretty realistic and declined about 50 trades.
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Post#1596 » by kalenclayton » Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:17 pm

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Knickfan1982 wrote:I hate all this trading guys multiple times. This was supposed to be realistic. That's why I joined.


So far the Suns have been pretty realistic and declined about 50 trades.

I think I have stayed very true to the Kings vision. I've only made two moves and they jive with what Vlade would probably do.

There are only really a select few who have made TOO many moves.
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Post#1597 » by Knickfan1982 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:05 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Knickfan1982 wrote:I hate all this trading guys multiple times. This was supposed to be realistic. That's why I joined.


So far the Suns have been pretty realistic and declined about 50 trades.

I think I have stayed very true to the Kings vision. I've only made two moves and they jive with what Vlade would probably do.

There are only really a select few who have made TOO many moves.



It is what it is. I am of the opinion that if you have to make 50 moves in order to get the roster you liked then you didn't really have a plan.
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Post#1598 » by spree8 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:40 pm

As for keepig things realistic...

Rasheed Wallace was traded twice back to back in real life when he was sent to the Hawks then flipped to the Pistons. That was similar to my Marc Gasol deal.

Other guys that aren't as good have that happen to them sometimes in the same offseason. It's not very often, but does happen. The other guy I did that with was Bazemore and his crap contract.

I made 5 player trades total which I think is realistic for a team like Orlando who most Magic fans want to have rebuilt. That's why I chose them.. they need more work and that = more fun.

Payton, Fournier & Biyombo were cost cutting moves because of their big contracts or soon to be big extension. Niko & Mario because its time to move on from them and get better fits.

I'll prob maintain cap space (Magic now have enough to make a max offer next summer) and just sign a couple minimum contract guys for the bench and call it a day.
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Post#1599 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:10 pm

spree8 wrote:As for keepig things realistic...

Rasheed Wallace was traded twice back to back in real life when he was sent to the Hawks then flipped to the Pistons. That was similar to my Marc Gasol deal.

Other guys that aren't as good have that happen to them sometimes in the same offseason. It's not very often, but does happen. The other guy I did that with was Bazemore and his crap contract.

I made 5 player trades total which I think is realistic for a team like Orlando who most Magic fans want to have rebuilt. That's why I chose them.. they need more work and that = more fun.

Payton, Fournier & Biyombo were cost cutting moves because of their big contracts or soon to be big extension. Niko & Mario because its time to move on from them and get better fits.

I'll prob maintain cap space (Magic now have enough to make a max offer next summer) and just sign a couple minimum contract guys for the bench and call it a day.


I am unsure what the Magic's roster looks like, but the fact that you came out with Jackson and DS Jr, is killer. Those could be the two highest upside guys in the draft. If DS Jr stays healthy is focused, driven and works hard, he could be an explosive walking triple double.
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Post#1600 » by Knickfan1982 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:54 pm

spree8 wrote:As for keepig things realistic...

Rasheed Wallace was traded twice back to back in real life when he was sent to the Hawks then flipped to the Pistons. That was similar to my Marc Gasol deal.

Other guys that aren't as good have that happen to them sometimes in the same offseason. It's not very often, but does happen. The other guy I did that with was Bazemore and his crap contract.

I made 5 player trades total which I think is realistic for a team like Orlando who most Magic fans want to have rebuilt. That's why I chose them.. they need more work and that = more fun.

Payton, Fournier & Biyombo were cost cutting moves because of their big contracts or soon to be big extension. Niko & Mario because its time to move on from them and get better fits.

I'll prob maintain cap space (Magic now have enough to make a max offer next summer) and just sign a couple minimum contract guys for the bench and call it a day.



For the record, no one called out anyone specifically. My entire point was that the initial post wanted people to try and be realistic and do things the way they think their team would do them. There are multiple different games where people trade millions of players millions of times. I think the initial goal wasn't to be one of those games.

I don't really know much about the Twolves. I do know that they had a clear weakness with defense and perimeter shooting. My goal was to fix their defense and perimeter shooting. The three trades I made (technically I could have just combined the 76ers trade with the Knicks trade to make it a 3-way and thus only complete 2) were made towards that end. I replaced Zach Lavine with Victor Oladipo to upgrade my perimeter D while adding Kyle O'Quinn and TJ McConnell to my bench in other trades. I also added a high upside 3/4 in Johnathan Issac who has high defensive upside while being an efficient offensive player who doesn't demand the ball. I'll spend the rest of my time overpaying for a backups who can hit the 3. Overall, a simple strategy with a clear goal that I think I executed nicely.
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