2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[Unbreakable99]

I doubt Jackson's jump shot changes if he's drafted by us. Simmons's form looks EXACTLY the same. Whoever put shooting coach did must not have gotten through to Simmons because nothing changed. I don't get it. He had a whole year and nothing. Jackson won't change either.

[Negrodamus]

I doubt Jackson's jump shot changes if he's drafted by us. Simmons's form looks EXACTLY the same. Whoever put shooting coach did must not have gotten through to Simmons because nothing changed. I don't get it. He had a whole year and nothing. Jackson won't change either.

Not to mention my man Nerlens isn't hitting threes. Maybe there are varying degrees of knucklehead.

[Mik317]

it also takes more than a year. You figure these guys have been shooting a specific way for all their lives....

[agiaco]

If we do trade three + something for 5 and 10 then I am taking Monk at 5 for sure. Whoever is available at 10 that they like is fine but more and more I don't want to look back on passing Malik. He is exactly what we need in the back court. If Ball falls to three then that's fine.

[Eyeamok]

Will never get why it's so difficult to change someone's shooting form. Then again I don't get why pro bowlers don't throw strikes every time, or how pro golfers hit it into bunkers with no wind. I guess this stuff is hard or something.

I'm no scientist, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn a time or two.

It's not that it's hard to do it's hard doing it when it matters the most. Doing it when there are thousands of people in the stands cheering for you or booing you. When you have someone hounding you, talking chit to you daring you to actually take the shot or has a hand in your face telling you you'll never make it. That is where the problem comes in because you revert back to what you know. The "automatic mind." And you do what you have always done in that situation. Go back to your bad habits. And it takes a lot of work to go against your internal programming and doing what you have always done. That's why you learn it the right way and then you practice and and practice some more. And when you have it you practice even more. Not everyone is willing to do this.

But I know you know this. So I thank you for your response and allowing me to go off on my little rant.

[Bum Adebayo]

I doubt Jackson's jump shot changes if he's drafted by us. Simmons's form looks EXACTLY the same. Whoever put shooting coach did must not have gotten through to Simmons because nothing changed. I don't get it. He had a whole year and nothing. Jackson won't change either.

But Simmons is not a guy with impressive work ethic, with Jackson honestly I've no idea.

I think if one is to rebuild completely his form, then the next 1-2 years his shot won't be any good, because muscle memory, basically it is a long term investment, that's the way I see it.

[Unbreakable99]

I doubt Jackson's jump shot changes if he's drafted by us. Simmons's form looks EXACTLY the same. Whoever put shooting coach did must not have gotten through to Simmons because nothing changed. I don't get it. He had a whole year and nothing. Jackson won't change either.

But Simmons is not a guy with impressive work ethic, with Jackson honestly I've no idea.

I think if one is to rebuild completely his form, then the next 1-2 years his shot won't be any good, because muscle memory, basically it is a long term investment, that's the way I see it.

Where did you get this narrative that Simmons doesn't have impressive work ethic? From everything I read and see he has a great work ethic.

[Bum Adebayo]

I doubt Jackson's jump shot changes if he's drafted by us. Simmons's form looks EXACTLY the same. Whoever put shooting coach did must not have gotten through to Simmons because nothing changed. I don't get it. He had a whole year and nothing. Jackson won't change either.

But Simmons is not a guy with impressive work ethic, with Jackson honestly I've no idea.

I think if one is to rebuild completely his form, then the next 1-2 years his shot won't be any good, because muscle memory, basically it is a long term investment, that's the way I see it.

Where did you get this narrative that Simmons doesn't have impressive work ethic? From everything I read and see he has a great work ethic.

Some details, like when asked about his jump shot and him saying don't worry I scored 20ppg, and some other things I've seen. Also, if his form looks exactly the same, to me that indicates average work ethic at best, like what has he been doing this whole year? shooting is his biggest weakness, look at what Embiid did while injured, his shot got way better an it paid off.

[Unbreakable99]

But Simmons is not a guy with impressive work ethic, with Jackson honestly I've no idea.

I think if one is to rebuild completely his form, then the next 1-2 years his shot won't be any good, because muscle memory, basically it is a long term investment, that's the way I see it.

Where did you get this narrative that Simmons doesn't have impressive work ethic? From everything I read and see he has a great work ethic.

Some details, like when asked about his jump shot and him saying don't worry I scored 20ppg, and some other things I've seen. Also, if his form looks exactly the same, to me that indicates average work ethic at best, like what has he been doing this whole year? shooting is his biggest weakness, look at what Embiid did while injured, his shot got way better an it paid off.

You're mixing personality and work ethic. Ben Simmons is not Embiid personality wise. He seems more guarded and doesn't want to admit his weaknesses to anyone. That's why when reporters ask if he will work on his shooting he always answers by saying he will work on everything. That's just how he's wired. That has nothing to do with work ethic.

As far as his current form from videos yes it still looks the same but it doesn't mean he's not working on it. It's a process. It's tough to fix something in a year. It's probably going to take him at least 3 years to be even a decent shooter putting in lots of work.

[smittybanton]

Ball may need an exceptional workout with the Lakers to be the No. 2 pick, according to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders, who notes that L.A.’s interest is growing in Fox and Kansas forward Josh Jackson. Ball’s camp, which once said he would only meet with the Lakers, is now willing to hold meetings, but probably not workouts, with the Sixers and Kings.

[Unbreakable99]

Ball may need an exceptional workout with the Lakers to be the No. 2 pick, according to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders, who notes that L.A.’s interest is growing in Fox and Kansas forward Josh Jackson. Ball’s camp, which once said he would only meet with the Lakers, is now willing to hold meetings, but probably not workouts, with the Sixers and Kings.

Love it. If the Lakers pass on Ball he's all ours.

[SelfishPlayer]

It would suck if the two top PGs are gone by the 3rd pick and the Sixers are left with a SG in Fultz and SF in Josh Jackson.

[LongLiveHinkie]

It would not suck in any way if Fultz is there at 3. People trying way too hard to be contrarians these days.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Jalen Rose thinks Josh Jackson is the best player in the draft FWIW

[LloydFree]

Ball may need an exceptional workout with the Lakers to be the No. 2 pick, according to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders, who notes that L.A.’s interest is growing in Fox and Kansas forward Josh Jackson. Ball’s camp, which once said he would only meet with the Lakers, is now willing to hold meetings, but probably not workouts, with the Sixers and Kings.

Love it. If the Lakers pass on Ball he's all ours.

Ball won't be there at #3. There going​ to be false rumors from now until the draft about the Lakers liking Fox more​ than Ball. I hope​ nobody holds their breath waiting for the Lakers to pass on Ball to take Fox. That's not going to happen. The Lakers are going to keep leaking that nonsense, so the Celtics won't get any ideas about taking Ball and holding him for ransom.

[Negrodamus]

I think Fox might be third on my big board at this point. If we're going fit, he might be #1, but I think his shot is going to translate to the next level. I've been watching UK games again while just watching him and it's crazy how good his touch is around the basket and how unbelievably quick he is. His explosion to the basket is ridiculous too. I think he's the best PG in this draft.

[Chris76]

Love the idea of Isaac & Monk.

Simmons / Monk / RoCo / Isaac / Embiid (offenseively)

Monk / Roco / Isaac / Simmons / Embiid (defensively)

Not bad. I do think RoCo and Isaac will neutralize the massive defensive deficiencies of Monk. I'm curious as to how the rotation will work, as in, when Simmons is on the bench.

Isaac + monk would be great. However, jackson could be a great pick, too. Bayless / roco / jackson / simmons / embiid on defense would be very competitive.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Teams picking #1 don't take players to hold them for ransom. They take the player they want. Always. What if their intel was wrong and the Lakers either didn't love Ball as much as suspected or they liked Fultz just as much? Then they'd just take Fultz and the Celtics would be stuck with a player who they only took for "ransom" purposes.

I think the Lakers take Ball too, but I think they probably do have interest in Fox. Remember, leaks 2 years ago started coming out that the Lakers liked Russell a ton right around this time, and people said the same stuff. That it was a smokescreen and they really wanted Okafor. Turned out the rumors were legit.

[Unbreakable99]

I think Fox might be third on my big board at this point. If we're going fit, he might be #1, but I think his shot is going to translate to the next level. I've been watching UK games again while just watching him and it's crazy how good his touch is around the basket and how unbelievably quick he is. His explosion to the basket is ridiculous too. I think he's the best PG in this draft.

I mean I like him but I don't think he's a good fit. If you tell me he develops a shot like Tony Parker level by hear 3 then ok but I'm tired of getting guys who can't shoot. I think Fox will be good but I don't see the fit with us.

[Negrodamus]

I think Fox might be third on my big board at this point. If we're going fit, he might be #1, but I think his shot is going to translate to the next level. I've been watching UK games again while just watching him and it's crazy how good his touch is around the basket and how unbelievably quick he is. His explosion to the basket is ridiculous too. I think he's the best PG in this draft.

I mean I like him but I don't think he's a good fit. If you tell me he develops a shot like Tony Parker level by hear 3 then ok but I'm tired of getting guys who can't shoot. I think Fox will be good but I don't see the fit with us.

Yea, I agree. I think if you look at his tournament play (SEC and NCAA) his shooting was unreal. 3pt shooting was a small sample size, but he was 40%+, 2pt FG was 56%, and he was shooting 8 FTs at near 74% shooting. As a freshman, that's encouraging.