Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I think David Lee might be a good comp for T.J. Leaf.

[ill-Will03]

Okok Bolden is the pick you guys convinced me. But what position does her play? To me he's more of a 4 than a 3 and we already have Siakam who will have a bigger role next season and ibaka most likely coming back. Or do you always take BPA?

[HeadtopChunes]

Okok Bolden is the pick you guys convinced me. But what position does her play? To me he's more of a 4 than a 3 and we already have Siakam who will have a bigger role next season and ibaka most likely coming back. Or do you always take BPA?

Bolden wants to play SF. He does look more like a PF. It's interesting because I don't think positions really matter that much anymore. Or at least that's where the league is headed. You could feasibily roll out a lineup of Pascal-Bolden-Ibaka and it would be fine.

Regardless BPA definitely. Fit is good when discussing between 2 players of similar levels. But without that take the talent first.

[BoyzNTheHood]

People here have been comparing him to Powell in terms of length, but if you look closely Powell has a 5" reach advantage on him, that's huge.

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Yeah but Powell is like an inch and a half taller.
Its not that big a problem.
They both are really long for their sizes.

Mitchell is gonna be a good player. I love Powell and he's one of the guys I enjoy watching the most on our team.
Mitchell is another Powell but a better shooter than he was in college/now.
More potential as a playmaker and 3 years younger.

The biggest difference for me is defensive versatility. Norm can guard the 1-3 because of his length and his strength. Mitchell has no chance of getting a hand in the face of any nba SF's with his tiny 8' 1" standing reach. With the depth we have at PG/SG I don't see any minutes for Mitchell.

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His reach is not 8'1". I don't care what they measured at the combine. With those long arms there's no way that's accurate. He shorted himself on his reach in order to gain inches on his vertical.

[Zeno]

Anyone see us taking Dotson or would that be to controversial for our market? Or does Terrence Ferguson make sense to replace the Terrence we lost since they are compared to each other? To be honest I'm not not that familiar with anybody we might draft. Bruno pick killed my motivation for actually researching who we might draft in anything more than a completely casual uninformed way.

[Clementine64]

Yeah but Powell is like an inch and a half taller.
Its not that big a problem.
They both are really long for their sizes.

Mitchell is gonna be a good player. I love Powell and he's one of the guys I enjoy watching the most on our team.
Mitchell is another Powell but a better shooter than he was in college/now.
More potential as a playmaker and 3 years younger.

The biggest difference for me is defensive versatility. Norm can guard the 1-3 because of his length and his strength. Mitchell has no chance of getting a hand in the face of any nba SF's with his tiny 8' 1" standing reach. With the depth we have at PG/SG I don't see any minutes for Mitchell.

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His reach is not 8'1". I don't care what they measured at the combine. With those long arms there's no way that's accurate. He shorted himself on his reach in order to gain inches on his vertical.

I don't think there was a vertical measurement. Besides that it's entirely possible if he has a long neck. He's an inch and half shorter than Norm and perhaps he has really broad shoulders which would inflate his wingspan and not help his reach measurement. Lots of realistic possibilities to consider.

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[BoyzNTheHood]

http://www.odetooden.com/home/2017/5/31/jordan-bell-a-test-case-for-fit


Here's an interesting article on Jordan Bell. Basically talks about his Bells window for greatness is now in the small ball era until Big players like KAT, AD, Giannis etc. Take over. And Bells value is lowered because he doesn't have the strength to hang on with these guys. He cites Bell as a short term piece for a contending team not a long term piece for a rebuilding one.

This guy is assuming Jordan Bell will play Centre, which is a big mistake. He's a 4. Sure, I've said he can guard 1-5 in the NBA but let's not go overboard and put the guy on Shaq. If true bigs back him down he'll struggle. But in the modern NBA small ball is king, and Jordan Bell will be a small ball savant. This guy also questions his strength which is a complete farce. Bell is very strong.

The only reason he isn't ranked high is because of his current offensive skill set. Hustle players aren't sexy. People want bombers and Kyrie-esque handles. Bell isn't going to be in the 3 point contest or And1 mixtape. He's going to be the guy getting deflections, diving on the floor, coming from the weak side for highlight reel blocks, containing point guards, 2-guards, and forwards. The only time he'll struggle defensively is if you make him check a 270 pound post up big.

[BoyzNTheHood]

The biggest difference for me is defensive versatility. Norm can guard the 1-3 because of his length and his strength. Mitchell has no chance of getting a hand in the face of any nba SF's with his tiny 8' 1" standing reach. With the depth we have at PG/SG I don't see any minutes for Mitchell.

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His reach is not 8'1". I don't care what they measured at the combine. With those long arms there's no way that's accurate. He shorted himself on his reach in order to gain inches on his vertical.

I don't think there was a vertical measurement. Besides that it's entirely possible if he has a long neck. He's an inch and half shorter than Norm and perhaps he has really broad shoulders which would inflate his wingspan and not help his reach measurement. Lots of realistic possibilities to consider.

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There was a vertical measurement. And I'll say it again, there's no way his reach is 8'1". I'm 6'1" and my wingspan is exactly the same as my height yet I can reach higher than him? I should've declared!

[Clementine64]

His reach is not 8'1". I don't care what they measured at the combine. With those long arms there's no way that's accurate. He shorted himself on his reach in order to gain inches on his vertical.

I don't think there was a vertical measurement. Besides that it's entirely possible if he has a long neck. He's an inch and half shorter than Norm and perhaps he has really broad shoulders which would inflate his wingspan and not help his reach measurement. Lots of realistic possibilities to consider.

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There was a vertical measurement. And I'll say it again, there's no way his reach is 8'1". I'm 6'1" and my wingspan is exactly the same as my height yet I can reach higher than him? I should've declared!

You can say it as many times as you like, doesn't make it any more or less true. Fact is he may have very broad shoulders and a long neck which would allow for a large wingspan and a short reach.

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[Psubs]

Okok Bolden is the pick you guys convinced me. But what position does her play? To me he's more of a 4 than a 3 and we already have Siakam who will have a bigger role next season and ibaka most likely coming back. Or do you always take BPA?

Bolden wants to play SF. He does look more like a PF. It's interesting because I don't think positions really matter that much anymore. Or at least that's where the league is headed. You could feasibily roll out a lineup of Pascal-Bolden-Ibaka and it would be fine.

Regardless BPA definitely. Fit is good when discussing between 2 players of similar levels. But without that take the talent first.

Bolden is the Greek Stopper!

[OAKLEY_2]

Okok Bolden is the pick you guys convinced me. But what position does her play? To me he's more of a 4 than a 3 and we already have Siakam who will have a bigger role next season and ibaka most likely coming back. Or do you always take BPA?

Bolden wants to play SF. He does look more like a PF. It's interesting because I don't think positions really matter that much anymore. Or at least that's where the league is headed. You could feasibily roll out a lineup of Pascal-Bolden-Ibaka and it would be fine.

Regardless BPA definitely. Fit is good when discussing between 2 players of similar levels. But without that take the talent first.

Bolden is the Greek Stopper!

Look I just want to be able to say there is one Leaf in the playoffs.

[Mark_83]

Okok Bolden is the pick you guys convinced me. But what position does her play? To me he's more of a 4 than a 3 and we already have Siakam who will have a bigger role next season and ibaka most likely coming back. Or do you always take BPA?

Bolden wants to play SF. He does look more like a PF. It's interesting because I don't think positions really matter that much anymore. Or at least that's where the league is headed. You could feasibily roll out a lineup of Pascal-Bolden-Ibaka and it would be fine.

Regardless BPA definitely. Fit is good when discussing between 2 players of similar levels. But without that take the talent first.

Bolden is the Greek Stopper!

I was really big on Giannis in his draft year (not sure how to dig up that old thread) cause I just saw a rare combination of skills for a guy that size.

Now obviously Bolden is a different type of player but I'm high on him for similar reasons. He's got size, frame, length, athleticism, shooting touch, and seems like a smart hardworking kid. I think he's a very good 3/4 hybrid which is what we need.

[Syd-TK3]

People here have been comparing him to Powell in terms of length, but if you look closely Powell has a 5" reach advantage on him, that's huge.

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Yeah but Powell is like an inch and a half taller.
Its not that big a problem.
They both are really long for their sizes.

Mitchell is gonna be a good player. I love Powell and he's one of the guys I enjoy watching the most on our team.
Mitchell is another Powell but a better shooter than he was in college/now.
More potential as a playmaker and 3 years younger.

The biggest difference for me is defensive versatility. Norm can guard the 1-3 because of his length and his strength. Mitchell has no chance of getting a hand in the face of any nba SF's with his tiny 8' 1" standing reach. With the depth we have at PG/SG I don't see any minutes for Mitchell.

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True but I think Mitchell was brought up in a hypothetical situation where we trade away Joseph or if Lowry doesn't come back.

In this situation it would allow time for him to play at the guard spot.

Imo if we somehow traded Joseph and filler for 12th and got Mitchell.
You start Powell at the 3 and run Mitchell next to Delon which is a perfect pairing

[Loso04]

What do people think about D.J Wilson? Looks very mobile for a 4 and played well in the tournament.

[CoachJReturns]

I'm getting on board the Bolden bandwagon. The guy plays D and hits 3s. Also has some nice finishes at the rim. If he improves his handle(which is not bad already) to a point where he can play SF, he could be the steal of the draft. He just seems to have the best combination of size, athleticism and skillset available in our range.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I don't think there was a vertical measurement. Besides that it's entirely possible if he has a long neck. He's an inch and half shorter than Norm and perhaps he has really broad shoulders which would inflate his wingspan and not help his reach measurement. Lots of realistic possibilities to consider.

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There was a vertical measurement. And I'll say it again, there's no way his reach is 8'1". I'm 6'1" and my wingspan is exactly the same as my height yet I can reach higher than him? I should've declared!

You can say it as many times as you like, doesn't make it any more or less true. Fact is he may have very broad shoulders and a long neck which would allow for a large wingspan and a short reach.

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Yes let's just ignore a history of players shorting their standing reaches in order to gain inches on their vertical leaps. Your only argument is that he may have broad shoulders and a long neck...



Does he look like a giraffe to you? How about his shoulders? Are they boulders? Is this kid mini Dwight Howard? Doesn't look like it to me!

How about we look at some facts within his own draft class...?

Donovan Mitchell

6'1.25" height without shoes
6'10" wingspan
8'1" standing reach

Kadeem Allen

6'1" without shoes (-.25")
6'9.25" wingspan (-.75")
8'3.5" standing reach (+1.5")

Shorter, lesser wingspan, yet can reach 1.5" higher.

Isaiah Briscoe

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'9" wingspan (-1.0")
8'3.5" standing reach (+2.5")

Same height, one inch shorter wingspan, yet can reach 2.5" higher.

Monte Morris

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'4" wingspan (-6.0")
8'0.5" standing reach (-0.5")

Same height, wingspan is a wopping 6 inches lesser, yet only has a 0.5" reach disadvantage.

Melo Trimble

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'2" wingspan (-8.0")
7'11.5" standing reach (-1.5")

Same height, wingspan is an even more wopping 8 inches lesser, yet only a 1.5" reach disadvantage (makes sense in comparison to Monte Morris' measurements).

Jawun Evans

5'10.75" height without shoes (-2.5")
6'5" wingspan (-5.0")
7'11" standing reach (-2.0")

A whole 2.5" shorter, a much lesser 5 inch wingspan disadvantage, yet only a 2 inch reach disadvantage.

Interesting how that works...



It's also fishy how Donovan Mitchell was the only one of these nice fellows to surpass a 40 inch max vertical. As a matter of fact, none of the other I've mentioned surpassed 35.5 inches on their max vert. Very interesting indeed...

[Clementine64]

There was a vertical measurement. And I'll say it again, there's no way his reach is 8'1". I'm 6'1" and my wingspan is exactly the same as my height yet I can reach higher than him? I should've declared!

You can say it as many times as you like, doesn't make it any more or less true. Fact is he may have very broad shoulders and a long neck which would allow for a large wingspan and a short reach.

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Yes let's just ignore a history of players shorting their standing reaches in order to gain inches on their vertical leaps. Your only argument is that he may have broad shoulders and a long neck...



Does he look like a giraffe to you? How about his shoulders? Are they boulders? Is this kid mini Dwight Howard? Doesn't look like it to me!

How about we look at some facts within his own draft class...?

Donovan Mitchell

6'1.25" height without shoes
6'10" wingspan
8'1" standing reach

Kadeem Allen

6'1" without shoes (-.25")
6'9.25" wingspan (-.75")
8'3.5" standing reach (+1.5")

Shorter, lesser wingspan, yet can reach 1.5" higher.

Isaiah Briscoe

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'9" wingspan (-1.0")
8'3.5" standing reach (+2.5")

Same height, one inch shorter wingspan, yet can reach 2.5" higher.

Monte Morris

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'4" wingspan (-6.0")
8'0.5" standing reach (-0.5")

Same height, wingspan is a wopping 6 inches lesser, yet only has a 0.5" reach disadvantage.

Melo Trimble

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'2" wingspan (-8.0")
7'11.5" standing reach (-1.5")

Same height, wingspan is an even more wopping 8 inches lesser, yet only a 1.5" reach disadvantage (makes sense in comparison to Monte Morris' measurements).

Jawun Evans

5'10.75" height without shoes (-2.5")
6'5" wingspan (-5.0")
7'11" standing reach (-2.0")

A whole 2.5" shorter, a much lesser 5 inch wingspan disadvantage, yet only a 2 inch reach disadvantage.

Interesting how that works...



It's also fishy how Donovan Mitchell was the only one of these nice fellows to surpass a 40 inch max vertical. As a matter of fact, none of the other I've mentioned surpassed 35.5 inches on their max vert. Very interesting indeed...

Lol

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[BoyzNTheHood]

You can say it as many times as you like, doesn't make it any more or less true. Fact is he may have very broad shoulders and a long neck which would allow for a large wingspan and a short reach.

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Yes let's just ignore a history of players shorting their standing reaches in order to gain inches on their vertical leaps. Your only argument is that he may have broad shoulders and a long neck...



Does he look like a giraffe to you? How about his shoulders? Are they boulders? Is this kid mini Dwight Howard? Doesn't look like it to me!

How about we look at some facts within his own draft class...?

Donovan Mitchell

6'1.25" height without shoes
6'10" wingspan
8'1" standing reach

Kadeem Allen

6'1" without shoes (-.25")
6'9.25" wingspan (-.75")
8'3.5" standing reach (+1.5")

Shorter, lesser wingspan, yet can reach 1.5" higher.

Isaiah Briscoe

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'9" wingspan (-1.0")
8'3.5" standing reach (+2.5")

Same height, one inch shorter wingspan, yet can reach 2.5" higher.

Monte Morris

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'4" wingspan (-6.0")
8'0.5" standing reach (-0.5")

Same height, wingspan is a wopping 6 inches lesser, yet only has a 0.5" reach disadvantage.

Melo Trimble

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'2" wingspan (-8.0")
7'11.5" standing reach (-1.5")

Same height, wingspan is an even more wopping 8 inches lesser, yet only a 1.5" reach disadvantage (makes sense in comparison to Monte Morris' measurements).

Jawun Evans

5'10.75" height without shoes (-2.5")
6'5" wingspan (-5.0")
7'11" standing reach (-2.0")

A whole 2.5" shorter, a much lesser 5 inch wingspan disadvantage, yet only a 2 inch reach disadvantage.

Interesting how that works...



It's also fishy how Donovan Mitchell was the only one of these nice fellows to surpass a 40 inch max vertical. As a matter of fact, none of the other I've mentioned surpassed 35.5 inches on their max vert. Very interesting indeed...

Lol

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[Clementine64]

Yes let's just ignore a history of players shorting their standing reaches in order to gain inches on their vertical leaps. Your only argument is that he may have broad shoulders and a long neck...



Does he look like a giraffe to you? How about his shoulders? Are they boulders? Is this kid mini Dwight Howard? Doesn't look like it to me!

How about we look at some facts within his own draft class...?

Donovan Mitchell

6'1.25" height without shoes
6'10" wingspan
8'1" standing reach

Kadeem Allen

6'1" without shoes (-.25")
6'9.25" wingspan (-.75")
8'3.5" standing reach (+1.5")

Shorter, lesser wingspan, yet can reach 1.5" higher.

Isaiah Briscoe

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'9" wingspan (-1.0")
8'3.5" standing reach (+2.5")

Same height, one inch shorter wingspan, yet can reach 2.5" higher.

Monte Morris

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'4" wingspan (-6.0")
8'0.5" standing reach (-0.5")

Same height, wingspan is a wopping 6 inches lesser, yet only has a 0.5" reach disadvantage.

Melo Trimble

6'1.25" height without shoes (even)
6'2" wingspan (-8.0")
7'11.5" standing reach (-1.5")

Same height, wingspan is an even more wopping 8 inches lesser, yet only a 1.5" reach disadvantage (makes sense in comparison to Monte Morris' measurements).

Jawun Evans

5'10.75" height without shoes (-2.5")
6'5" wingspan (-5.0")
7'11" standing reach (-2.0")

A whole 2.5" shorter, a much lesser 5 inch wingspan disadvantage, yet only a 2 inch reach disadvantage.

Interesting how that works...



It's also fishy how Donovan Mitchell was the only one of these nice fellows to surpass a 40 inch max vertical. As a matter of fact, none of the other I've mentioned surpassed 35.5 inches on their max vert. Very interesting indeed...

Lol

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[BoyzNTheHood]

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