2017 Lakers Draft Pick Discussion

[LakersSoul]

If we draft Fox, I would be so pissed. Jackson I wouldn't be happy with, but I could tolerate.

Fox is going to be the better player in 2 years. Defense counts.

Just how good of a defensive player is he? Because his analytics aren't very good at all on that side of the ball. He also only hit 3 contested jump shots all year long.

And you really expect an offence with Fox/Russell/Ingram/Randle/Mozgov to be effective? 1 guy on that unit makes outside shots on a consistent basis (Russell).

Ball, Jackson or Tatum!!

Magic, get the Best Player.

[TinyRik]

Rabb is raw as hell and just a limited player overall. Don't even talking about the possibility him being similiar talent with Randle, no it's not. Rabb career will be like James McAdoo. He probably on the roster but he won't play because he's the definition of average.

when you talk about replacing Randle, you should appreciate him more and bring relevant names that can actually play BASKETBALL like Jordan Bell or players with stupid amount untapped potential like Bam Adebayo, Hamid Brimah or even our own Larry Nance jr.

Ivan Rabb is the worst possible choice

I don't get the love for rabb tbh, is it because he was once a highly rated recruit ? Either way he's not overly skilled, can't score, shoot, pass, protect the paint or defend the rim. He's only really a good rebounder and you can get that in the Dleague or from an undrafted guy. I'd go bpa at 28 and rabb doesn't fit that description imo

[Spens1]

If we draft Fox, I would be so pissed. Jackson I wouldn't be happy with, but I could tolerate.

Fox is going to be the better player in 2 years. Defense counts.

so does shooting and passing and he doesn't have either over Ball (which is a worry because Lonzo's shot is whack).

[Rafer24]

I´m really torn between Lonzo and Fox. Lonzo is the better fit with Russell, and potentially the better prospect, but i love Fox´s game.

I´m 99% sure Lonzo will be the pick,tought.

[iamworthy]

Good podcast talking about top 4 college prospects. First 30 minutes is lonzo ball

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[TylersLakers]

Good podcast talking about top 4 college prospects. First 30 minutes is lonzo ball

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Please anyone who wants Fox -- Listen to this. Facts are facts.

And one other thing: People act as if Fox developing a consistent jump shot is a guarantee. I don't know why people jump to that conclusion.

There's plenty more examples of players coming into the NBA as an awful jump shooter and staying an awful jump shooter than miraculously improving their shot. His shooting numbers are awful across the board.

[iamworthy]

Good podcast talking about top 4 college prospects. First 30 minutes is lonzo ball

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Please anyone who wants Fox -- Listen to this. Facts are facts.

And one other thing: People act as if Fox developing a consistent jump shot is a guarantee. I don't know why people jump to that conclusion.

There's plenty more examples of players coming into the NBA as an awful jump shooter and staying an awful jump shooter than miraculously improving their shot. His shooting numbers are awful across the board.

Honestly I wouldn't put any energy into any prospect not named lonzo ball. Unless he absolutely flops in the workout he'll be our pick. What I found fascinating was lonzo's off ball analytics

[Mirjalovic]

Good podcast talking about top 4 college prospects. First 30 minutes is lonzo ball

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Please anyone who wants Fox -- Listen to this. Facts are facts.

And one other thing: People act as if Fox developing a consistent jump shot is a guarantee. I don't know why people jump to that conclusion.

There's plenty more examples of players coming into the NBA as an awful jump shooter and staying an awful jump shooter than miraculously improving their shot. His shooting numbers are awful across the board.

Honestly I wouldn't put any energy into any prospect not named lonzo ball. Unless he absolutely flops in the workout he'll be our pick. What I found fascinating was lonzo's off ball analytics

and its supported to by simple eye test. It can't be denied how impactful Lonzo Ball is to UCLA programs or his teammates

[jerkslo]

Good podcast talking about top 4 college prospects. First 30 minutes is lonzo ball

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Please anyone who wants Fox -- Listen to this. Facts are facts.

And one other thing: People act as if Fox developing a consistent jump shot is a guarantee. I don't know why people jump to that conclusion.

There's plenty more examples of players coming into the NBA as an awful jump shooter and staying an awful jump shooter than miraculously improving their shot. His shooting numbers are awful across the board.

I'm on the Fox bandwagon. All of these players have risks, no guarantees. All of the love for lonzo's shooting is funny to me. He cannot shoot going right. Period. And I give that nasty shot less chance of being fixed than Fox's.

All of the comparisons to Jason Kidd are hilarious to me too. J-Kidd was strong, fast with either hand, and a great defender. Lonzo in college couldn't stay in front of his guy.

Listen, I don't hate Ball but the talk on this board ignores every question mark about him, while anyone else mentioned as maybe deserving of our pick gets destroyed.

[TylersLakers]

Good podcast talking about top 4 college prospects. First 30 minutes is lonzo ball

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Please anyone who wants Fox -- Listen to this. Facts are facts.

And one other thing: People act as if Fox developing a consistent jump shot is a guarantee. I don't know why people jump to that conclusion.

There's plenty more examples of players coming into the NBA as an awful jump shooter and staying an awful jump shooter than miraculously improving their shot. His shooting numbers are awful across the board.

I'm on the Fox bandwagon. All of these players have risks, no guarantees. All of the love for lonzo's shooting is funny to me. He cannot shoot going right. Period. And I give that nasty shot less chance of being fixed than Fox's.

All of the comparisons to Jason Kidd are hilarious to me too. J-Kidd was strong, fast with either hand, and a great defender. Lonzo in college couldn't stay in front of his guy.

Listen, I don't hate Ball but the talk on this board ignores every question mark about him, while anyone else mentioned as maybe deserving of our pick gets destroyed.

Fox can't shoot going right. Fox can't shoot going left. Fox can't make a shot here, Fox can't make a shot there, Fox can't make a shot anywhere.

Fox is a 170 pound PG who doesn't have any elite aspect to his game other than speed. And what's nasty about Ball's shot? The form? Because he shoots 40% + from deep and he's the best NBA range shooter in the draft.

He's also a phenomenal cutter. He's as good off the ball as he is on the ball. He complements Russell's game perfectly.

Also, I hope if you're drafting Fox, you're ready for some roster construction. There's 0 chance Randle, Ingram, Fox, and Mozgov/Zubac/Black can be in a lineup and have success offensively.

[TyCobb]

Fox can't shoot going right. Fox can't shoot going left. Fox can't make a shot here, Fox can't make a shot there, Fox can't make a shot anywhere.

Fox is a 170 pound PG who doesn't have any elite aspect to his game other than speed. And what's nasty about Ball's shot? The form? Because he shoots 40% + from deep and he's the best NBA range shooter in the draft.

He's also a phenomenal cutter. He's as good off the ball as he is on the ball. He complements Russell's game perfectly.

Also, I hope if you're drafting Fox, you're ready for some roster construction. There's 0 chance Randle, Ingram, Fox, and Mozgov/Zubac/Black can be in a lineup and have success offensively.

If those two had a baby...

[TheRealKaboom]

Fox can't shoot going right. Fox can't shoot going left. Fox can't make a shot here, Fox can't make a shot there, Fox can't make a shot anywhere.

Fox is a 170 pound PG who doesn't have any elite aspect to his game other than speed. And what's nasty about Ball's shot? The form? Because he shoots 40% + from deep and he's the best NBA range shooter in the draft.

He's also a phenomenal cutter. He's as good off the ball as he is on the ball. He complements Russell's game perfectly.

Also, I hope if you're drafting Fox, you're ready for some roster construction. There's 0 chance Randle, Ingram, Fox, and Mozgov/Zubac/Black can be in a lineup and have success offensively.

If those two had a baby...

Brilliant!

[Dr Aki]

let's make a run down:
1. he's great from range, in particular spot-up shooting
2. he's great as a cutter
3. he's great in transition
4. he makes the correct reads and moves the ball, doesn't stick with him
5. heck, even looks like he's an above average defender according to the stats
6. he's 6'5"-6'6", big for a point guard, but about right for a shooting guard

he might as well just play the 2, just give him the ball on the way up the floor, and let D'Lo create in the half-court and let them be interchangeable

[TyCobb]

Russ doesn't need to create at all--just shoot or keep the ball moving. Quick, quick, quick. Lonzo passes to guys that are wide open and in a position to score or in order to set up a cut of his own.

Russ just needs to work on his catch and shoot game and become deadly at that.

[iQon]

Apologies if this has been discussed, but how exactly does Josh Jackson fit, here?

We have Ingram.
We seem to have a realistic shot at PG13.

That means we drop Russ back down to the 1; Ingram/PG/Jackson... somebody gets to stay at SF, but who can play the 2 and 4? Or, do we pay Randle and bring one of them off of the bench?

Sounds like a cluster...

[Michael Lucky]

Apologies if this has been discussed, but how exactly does Josh Jackson fit, here?

We have Ingram.
We seem to have a realistic shot at PG13.

That means we drop Russ back down to the 1; Ingram/PG/Jackson... somebody gets to stay at SF, but who can play the 2 and 4? Or, do we pay Randle and bring one of them off of the bench?

Sounds like a cluster...

Jackson would start off the bench. The end goal i would assume would be PG would play the 4 and Ingram the 2 when Jackson is in the starting lineup.

[Michael Lucky]

I think some people are going to be pretty surprised when Russell has the ball in his hands a lot more than Lonzo next year. Lonzo is not a high usage player at all.

Russ doesn't need to create at all--just shoot or keep the ball moving. Quick, quick, quick. Lonzo passes to guys that are wide open and in a position to score or in order to set up a cut of his own.

Russ just needs to work on his catch and shoot game and become deadly at that.

It will be a Luke run offense not a Lonzo run offense. In many ways Lonzo's strength fit well in that offense but If he's unable to play the pick n roll in the half court at the level that Russell can, then Russell will be forced to create offense in the half court. Having said that, i do think Lonzo will be fine running the pick n roll. He just hasn't had many opportunities to do it.

[TylersLakers]

Fox can't shoot going right. Fox can't shoot going left. Fox can't make a shot here, Fox can't make a shot there, Fox can't make a shot anywhere.

Fox is a 170 pound PG who doesn't have any elite aspect to his game other than speed. And what's nasty about Ball's shot? The form? Because he shoots 40% + from deep and he's the best NBA range shooter in the draft.

He's also a phenomenal cutter. He's as good off the ball as he is on the ball. He complements Russell's game perfectly.

Also, I hope if you're drafting Fox, you're ready for some roster construction. There's 0 chance Randle, Ingram, Fox, and Mozgov/Zubac/Black can be in a lineup and have success offensively.

If those two had a baby...

I'm glad someone caught on to my reference. I love green eggs and ham!

[Princeinrevolt]

Lonzo Ball is not even that bad in the pick and roll... He just cant score off the pick and roll. He makes correct reads, so he won't be completely useless there. But his first year, D'angelo Russell is going to be used more in the half court setting.

[kobe808lak]

I liked Lonzo at first, then switched to Fox, now I'm back on the Lonzo train.

Fox becoming even an NBA level shooter is a big leap since he was terrible in college. I think with Lonzo's BBIQ he makes up for some of his shortcomings easier with the way he plays. If he can hit the deep 3, he will provide spacing for everything else the Lakers try to do. I think he gets better in the P&R too. If he can hit the pull-up mid range jumper, his ceiling will be sky high.

Defensively will be a challenge but team D is what's important in today's NBA. It's all about having bigs that can switch.