Brooklyn Nets 2017 Draft Thread

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Come on now, Prok.

A really awful player cannot be a Top 5 shooter in the league and a career 41% 3pt shooter in only his third season.

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im sorry... but im not putting him ahead of guys making twice as many threes as him on slightly lower percentage. He is a worst version of joe harris. at least harris isnt one of the leagues worst defenders and unlike crabbe can shoot off screens, off the dribble, and moves well without the ball.

hitting 1 maybe 2 three pointers a game, even at 45 percent doesnt make up for doing every other thing on a basketball court poorly. the guy is a really bad player.

You've truly never seen Allen Crabbe play haven't you? Like you didn't even click on the videos he sent you.

I'm really sorry to say this but Evan Turner is extremely below average like your ability to judge a players skill and value Mr. "#28 is good value for Mozgov"

Every move you suggest puts the Nets in a worse predicament than the current one and that's saying ALOT because this might be the worst position any team has been in in NBA history.

[Keith Van Horn]

Crabbe kicks his legs out a lot on 3 point shots. Wonder if he drew a lot of fouls that way. I could see him, Lin, and Levert mixing it up with the motion offense around the top of the key. How are his ball handling skills?

[Paradise]

Crabbe kicks his legs out a lot on 3 point shots. Wonder if he drew a lot of fouls that way. I could see him, Lin, and Levert mixing it up with the motion offense around the top of the key. How are his ball handling skills?

He's an okay ball handler. Portland likes to run lineups with Lillard, McColloum and Crabbe at the three.

We could run a similar lineup with any combination of Lin, LeVert or Whitehead or Skil, Dinwiddie.


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[Claud]

I still think getting Semi with one of our picks should be a must. Perfect fit.

[shakendfries]

I still think getting Semi with one of our picks should be a must. Perfect fit.

Didnt Semi fail to crack the rotation behind Justice Winslow? He's likely a better player now, but I'm not sure how well his game will translate against NBA level defenders. Even as a good scorer in college it's tough to excel in the league -just look at Joe Young in Indiana.


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[Rockice_24]

I don't get the hate for Crabbe Prok. He is an elite shooter saying otherwise or diminishing him in that area makes no sense. He wasn't top 3 in the league in % with limited attempts he shot plenty to confirm it's not a fluke. Even with slightly more shots and maybe not wide open looks all the time he may drop off a few points but he's not going to fall off a cliff. The guy is an elite 3 point shooter.

Sure he's not a good defender but it's not about him it's about the pick. If you land 15 or 20 then it's worth it. If you are going to do one thing in today's NBA at an elite level shooting the 3 is what you want to do. His ORtg was greater than his DRtg which means he is viewed as a positive when on the floor compared to guys like Harris and Bogs who are a net negative. The fact that you are comparing them to Crabbe defensively seems a bit of a stretch. At the very least you hope with better defenders around him he can improve. Lillard and McCollum are god awful wing defenders and Nuric isn't a rim protector. It's easy to get lost on defense on a bad defensive team like POR. Not saying we're good by any stretch defensively either.

10 times out of 10 you take Crabbe over Turner without hesitation and hope you can mold him into a competent defender. Take Crabbe and hope for the best at worst you have an elite shooter to pair with hopefully a nice PnR with Lin. We can get him plenty of open looks from 3 to make him useful. It's still mainly about the pick though (15 or 20).

[MrDollarBills]

Turner is notorious for his playing style, which will not work here. He can't shoot and is a probing rock pounder, that's a horrific deal. Crabbe and 15 or 20 is a good haul if we're going to do a salary dump, he's young and fits in with the other kids. He fills a need, which is being our main knock down shooter.

Lopez/
RHJ/Booker
Crabbe/McDaniels
LeVert/Whitehead/Goodwin
Lin/Dinwiddie/

and this doesn't count the 3 picks or any other FA signings/trades. I like that so far, just need to add to it with solid picks and pick up in free agency.

[Process]

The more I've thought about it the only guy I'd take from Portland is Harkless

He's on probably the best deal of the lot of them, he would be our best defender by far and actually shot the 3 ball well last season, although it was only 1 make a game he hit at 35 percent, 46 percent from the corner as well

Even if he can't replicate those numbers or improve I'd take his defence and contract over the other guys from Portland

[Prokorov]

You've truly never seen Allen Crabbe play haven't you? Like you didn't even click on the videos he sent you.

I'm really sorry to say this but Evan Turner is extremely below average like your ability to judge a players skill and value Mr. "#28 is good value for Mozgov"

Every move you suggest puts the Nets in a worse predicament than the current one and that's saying ALOT because this might be the worst position any team has been in in NBA history.

I've seen crabbe play a ton and he is an awful player. what player doesnt look good in highlights? maybe YOU should watch him play. look if you want to ignore stats then thats on you.

28 for mozgov is good value. everyone want shtese magical salary dumps where we get a first round pick and a good player on a decent contract. this isnt fantasy land those trades dont happen. your chances to get a first in a salary dump are low. so few teams desperate enough to do it. your going to have to take a mozgov or crabbe or turner to get a pick in the 20s. thats just how it goes.

and if osmeone doesnt want to go the salary dump route, i cant totally understand that. but if you are, then you need to come back to reality where your taking a bad player on a bad contract and not getting back a lottery pick.

but thats getting off topic... the real point is that allen crabbe is an awful player and every shred of evidence confirms it. 40+ percent from three is ncie but when thats all you do on catch and shoots and your a bottom 5 defender in the league your not adding positive value. he is like the wing version of novak with worse defense. im fine with novak but for minimum money(like joe harris).

crabbe is one of the worst big minute players in the NBA

[Prokorov]

Crabbe kicks his legs out a lot on 3 point shots. Wonder if he drew a lot of fouls that way. I could see him, Lin, and Levert mixing it up with the motion offense around the top of the key. How are his ball handling skills?

his ball handling is the worst part of his game next to his defense. not RHJ levels... but poor

[Prokorov]

I still think getting Semi with one of our picks should be a must. Perfect fit.

agreed. dude can play and maybe no one in the draft is a better fit

[Prokorov]

I don't get the hate for Crabbe Prok. He is an elite shooter saying otherwise or diminishing him in that area makes no sense. He wasn't top 3 in the league in % with limited attempts he shot plenty to confirm it's not a fluke. Even with slightly more shots and maybe not wide open looks all the time he may drop off a few points but he's not going to fall off a cliff. The guy is an elite 3 point shooter.

I cant call him an elite shooter. the elite shooters do it on high volume, not on less then 2 makes per game. elite shooters do it off the dribble and off screens not just catch and shoot. he is a really good/high percentage shooter but nowhere near guys who can hit threes on the ball or who can come off screens and knock them down. i mean if 97% of your threes are catch and shoot from the wing and corner, and you dont take a super high volume then thats not elite.

if he took mroe threes, took more of them off the dribble and off the move his % would be closer to what Joe Harris percentage is

Sure he's not a good defender but it's not about him it's about the pick. If you land 15 or 20 then it's worth it. If you are going to do one thing in today's NBA at an elite level shooting the 3 is what you want to do. His ORtg was greater than his DRtg which means he is viewed as a positive when on the floor compared to guys like Harris and Bogs who are a net negative. The fact that you are comparing them to Crabbe defensively seems a bit of a stretch. At the very least you hope with better defenders around him he can improve. Lillard and McCollum are god awful wing defenders and Nuric isn't a rim protector. It's easy to get lost on defense on a bad defensive team like POR. Not saying we're good by any stretch defensively either.

Lopez isnt a rim protector and we have tons of bad defenders on this team too. so its not like he will have the 03 pistons defense around him. and yes, he is that bad. his DRAPM/DRPM/DBPM are all bottom 5 among wings and between skil and bogs.

10 times out of 10 you take Crabbe over Turner without hesitation and hope you can mold him into a competent defender. Take Crabbe and hope for the best at worst you have an elite shooter to pair with hopefully a nice PnR with Lin. We can get him plenty of open looks from 3 to make him useful. It's still mainly about the pick though (15 or 20).

no one who knows basketball takes crabbe over turner. crabbe is an enormous liability. you dont really need to work to gaurd him (he wont put it on the floor and he is shy to shoot unless he is super wide open) and on defense he absolutely kills you.

everything you can do with crabbe you can do better with joe harris.

crabbe is REALLY awful. like of all the guys who play 25+ minutes he has got to be among the worst of them.

turner isnt good, but he provides a utility, wont kill you on defense, rebounds, and is great around young players.

dont take my word for it. portland fans DESPISE crabbe and would say the same. or watch some game tape. i can give you my league pass ID so you can watch games from this past season if you pm me.

[Prokorov]

Turner is notorious for his playing style, which will not work here. He can't shoot and is a probing rock pounder, that's a horrific deal. Crabbe and 15 or 20 is a good haul if we're going to do a salary dump, he's young and fits in with the other kids. He fills a need, which is being our main knock down shooter.

Lopez/
RHJ/Booker
Crabbe/McDaniels
LeVert/Whitehead/Goodwin
Lin/Dinwiddie/

and this doesn't count the 3 picks or any other FA signings/trades. I like that so far, just need to add to it with solid picks and pick up in free agency.

im not saying dont take crabbe if you can get 15 or 20. i do that alll day. im saying if you can choose you take turner or leonard over him.

we need to get away from awful defenders like bogs. and crabbe is going to disapoint alot of people that think he is some elite high volume three point shooter. Do you know why he doesnt shoot a super high volume of threes? because he REFUSES to shoot threes off the dribble or off screens if anyone is even remotely near him and he gets run off catch and shoot threes a ton. he will only really take wide open catch and shoot threes.

in the motion offense that will change and that percentage will drop and then you have a worse version of joe harris making 18 million.

[Prokorov]

The more I've thought about it the only guy I'd take from Portland is Harkless

He's on probably the best deal of the lot of them, he would be our best defender by far and actually shot the 3 ball well last season, although it was only 1 make a game he hit at 35 percent, 46 percent from the corner as well

Even if he can't replicate those numbers or improve I'd take his defence and contract over the other guys from Portland

id love harkless. im not sure you get a first to take him though. if you can, thats a steal

[Prokorov]

Look at these stats:

10 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists 42% from three on 1,5 makes a game and-1.98 DRAPM

no thats not allen crabbe. thats wayne ellington the season prior to joining the nets.

Guys are going to talk themselves into crabbe because we almost got him last year, the 3point percentage looks pretty on paper and people in general are going to be optomistic with anyone new we get. thats natrual as a fan.

but like ellington, fans will soon turn on crabbe and he will become public enemy #1.

ellingtons 3 pointers looked good on paper too.... until you realize that 1.5 three pointers in a game doesnt really have much of an impact and your not making the defense work with a guy who doesnt put it on the floor and is basically stationary behind the 3 point line. you can run those guys off the three point line and not worry about them hurting you on the dribble.

and like ellington, he provides nothing else.

so after crabbe hits a three pointer early, and the next 20 minutes are him playing awful defense, camping out, not doing anything offensively, not rebounding, and killing you in transition you start to realize yeah this dude is kind of bad.

everyone here loved ellington in the offseason. calling for him to start. a month in people wanted him hanged

[NyCeEvO]

Look at these stats:

10 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists 42% from three on 1,5 makes a game and-1.98 DRAPM

no thats not allen crabbe. thats wayne ellington the season prior to joining the nets.

Guys are going to talk themselves into crabbe because we almost got him last year, the 3point percentage looks pretty on paper and people in general are going to be optomistic with anyone new we get. thats natrual as a fan.

but like ellington, fans will soon turn on crabbe and he will become public enemy #1.

ellingtons 3 pointers looked good on paper too.... until you realize that 1.5 three pointers in a game doesnt really have much of an impact and your not making the defense work with a guy who doesnt put it on the floor and is basically stationary behind the 3 point line. you can run those guys off the three point line and not worry about them hurting you on the dribble.

and like ellington, he provides nothing else.

so after crabbe hits a three pointer early, and the next 20 minutes are him playing awful defense, camping out, not doing anything offensively, not rebounding, and killing you in transition you start to realize yeah this dude is kind of bad.

everyone here loved ellington in the offseason. calling for him to start. a month in people wanted him hanged

I agree that fans will turn on him, but I think it will be due to his low talent-to-salary ratio and not purely based on his talent alone.

In the right system, Crabbe can be valuable.

But on a rebuilding team that needs as much cap flexibility as it can get in order to avoid being bogged down with dead weight and continued losing, the last thing you want is a meh player taking up ~20% of your cap that you won't be able to trade later on. And we have to take on his 15% increased salary due to his trade kicker. This would be the Joe Johnson trade all over again for me.

If I'm trading for Crabbe, the other assets in the deal need to compensate for him being an negative asset.

We would be taking the Blazers out of their self-imposed tax misery, taking on their bad contract, and all we're getting is the 15th pick? The Blazers would definitely have to give up more if we're going to help them out to that degree.

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[Netaman]

I don't think any 3 & D guy in the league is worth 18M. It was exciting to make the play for him last year, but many of us said we may have dodged a bullet when Portland matched last year.

[NyCeEvO]

I don't think any 3 & D guy in the league is worth 18M. It was exciting to make the play for him last year, but many of us said we may have dodged a bullet when Portland matched last year.

Yup, and people don't realize how many 3&D players rise and fall so quickly.

I've stated it before but it's rare for guys who were great 3&D players for at least one season to maintain their effectiveness over several seasons. They either become much better players (e.g. Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard) or fizzle out due to injuries or regression (e.g. Demarre Carroll, Wes Mathews, Danny Green).

I wouldn't go sign a player because I expect him to remain an excellent 3&D player for several seasons. I'd want them if I think they have durability and physique to handle the rigors of defending the league's best players every game for multiple seasons and could become more than just a 3&D guy. These smaller, thinner 3&D players aren't really able to maintain their excellence for that long.

It's much easier to get multiple cheap shooters, who are also tradable assets, and who can be turned into average defenders.

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[Prokorov]

I don't think any 3 & D guy in the league is worth 18M. It was exciting to make the play for him last year, but many of us said we may have dodged a bullet when Portland matched last year.

Yup, and people don't realize how many 3&D players rise and fall so quickly.

I've stated it before but it's rare for guys who were great 3&D players for at least one season to maintain their effectiveness over several seasons. They either become much better players (e.g. Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard) or fizzle out due to injuries or regression (e.g. Demarre Carroll, Wes Mathews, Danny Green).

I wouldn't go sign a player because I expect him to remain an excellent 3&D player for several seasons. I'd want them if I think they have durability and physique to handle the rigors of defending the league's best players every game for multiple seasons and could become more than just a 3&D guy. These smaller, thinner 3&D players aren't really able to maintain their excellence for that long.

It's much easier to get multiple cheap shooters, who are also tradable assets, and who can be turned into average defenders.

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and he isnt even a 3 & D guy since he is a bad defensive player.

and he doesnt hit many threes.

to be honest i think most people just see the 43% from three and take that as gospel. 1.6 threes made per game. like thats 1 maybe 2 shots he hits every game. less then 1 three made per half. when people see the real life incarnation of that, instead of the on paper percentage, they will realize he isnt very good.

again... he is joe harris with less D an coming off foot sugery.

i can see maybe if he was some high pick where its like ok he had legit talent. but like harris he was take 33rd overall.

[kamaze]

no one who knows basketball takes crabbe over turner. crabbe is an enormous liability. you dont really need to work to gaurd him (he wont put it on the floor and he is shy to shoot unless he is super wide open) and on defense he absolutely kills you.

everything you can do with crabbe you can do better with joe harris.

crabbe is REALLY awful. like of all the guys who play 25+ minutes he has got to be among the worst of them.

turner isnt good, but he provides a utility, wont kill you on defense, rebounds, and is great around young players.

That's why the team offered him that contract and Portland matched right?

Joe was signed after Portland matched but you want people to believe he's better? One got $74 million the other a minimum contract but the one who got the minimum is better riiiight.

You left out the most important part he's a shooting guard who can't shoot!