2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

Fotis St · Post #401 » by **Fotis St** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 3:39 pm

I think he meant constant triple threat ... meaning Shoot,dribble,pass threat.

He said triple double though... Excuse him he is half Greek 8-)

machu46 · Post #402 » by **machu46** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 4:18 pm

emunney wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:
snoogans8056 wrote:I think he's a no-brainer at 17 if you want a big that can even be used against the teams we saw last night. Spaces the floor, mobile enough to cover screens, and protects the rim. Guys like him and Thon are what the future of the 5 looks like.

Then the future better learn to communicate, rotate, pass and rebound because the gold standard is still Tim Duncan until Tim Duncan with a crossover and 3pt jumper surfaces. I'm going with Bradley higher on my board until then.

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I really like Bradley a lot. So damn solid. I have to believe there's still a place in the NBA for good big men who can't switch everything or block 3 shots a game, but who will contest vertically, rebound on both ends and generally use that big body extraordinarily well. You watch a UNC game and he's getting good position early in every play on both ends. My only hesitation on him is that maybe that place in the NBA for him is pretty small; but the counter-point is 37 year old Tim Duncan anchoring the Spurs to a 4-1 Finals win over a very modern Miami team.

My gut says the 'demise' of his type of player is an exaggerated reaction to how overall good the Ws are. Yet if you watch how the Ws defend, yeah, Draymond being able to cover almost any type of player is an advantage, but in most actions, it's much more about communication and execution and they integrate a lot of interesting zone concepts in the middle of the floor. Their defense with Zaza is just fine even without Draymond on the floor. I think Bradley's going to be able to do that stuff, and he's a hell of a lot better rebounder and harder to get vertical on in general than Zaza is.

Yup, I'm on the Bradley bandwagon as well. Would absolutely love to get him at 48 and depending on the choices, could be talked into him at 17.

buckboy · Post #403 » by **buckboy** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 4:25 pm

I'm also all-in on Bradley. Never understood why he didn't play more at UNC.

I really don't understand the Dorsey love whatsoever.

Ron Swanson · Post #404 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 4:27 pm

You easily take Bradley if he falls to the 2nd round, but for those trying to talk themselves into him at #17, what makes him a better prospect than Jarett Allen or Anigbogu? I don't see it.

yoshii8 · Post #405 » by **yoshii8** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 4:27 pm

I like Bradley, I would be more than ok with that pick.

Matches Malone · Post #406 » by **Matches Malone** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 4:33 pm

Bradley at #48 is lovely. Bradley at #17 is too much of a reach for me. I don't think he has quite the upside where you can take a gamble on him like we did with Thon last year.

Gianstoppable · Post #407 » by **Gianstoppable** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 4:35 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:You easily take Bradley if he falls to the 2nd round, but for those trying to talk themselves into him at #17, what makes him a better prospect than Jarett Allen or Anigbogu? I don't see it.

If IKE is available at our pick and we dont take him we are stupid. A possible lineup of Brogdon, Middleton, Giannis, Thon, Ike would be a fun season opener. All that length. Ike and Frank Mason would make me a happy man this draft

That said, I dont like Bradley at #17. If we managed to get another mid or late 1st and hes there of course I would take him but at #17 there are guys who are available we could really use. Bradley seems like Henson to me right now with better rebounding, which wouldnt be terrible but wouldnt have that sky high potential, IMO

Gianstoppable · Post #408 » by **Gianstoppable** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 4:42 pm

What realistically could the Pistons want for #12?

machu46 · Post #409 » by **machu46** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 4:54 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:You easily take Bradley if he falls to the 2nd round, but for those trying to talk themselves into him at #17, what makes him a better prospect than Jarett Allen or Anigbogu? I don't see it.

Regarding Allen, physicality. I only caught Texas a few times this year, but he always seemed soft to me. Bradley is a physical dude. I don't like Allen at all really.

Regarding Ike, I could be talked into him as well; I definitely think he has more potential defensively than Bradley. I think Bradley is much further along fundamentally though. I view the two of them as roughly the same tier of prospect for different reasons.

Allen is behind both IMO.

Edit: The only prospect that really excites me at #17 is John Collins. After that, there's a bunch of guys I could be talked into, but I don't really feel passionately about. Ike and Bradley are on that list.

yoshii8 · Post #410 » by **yoshii8** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 4:58 pm

Gianstoppable wrote:What realistically could the Pistons want for #12?

From us, I'm guessing Middleton.

Bernman · Post #411 » by **Bernman** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 5:06 pm

yoshii8 wrote:
Gianstoppable wrote:What realistically could the Pistons want for #12?

From us, I'm guessing Middleton.

Tell them to build a time machine. Then they could have him for free.

As is, it's going to cost them considerably more than the 12th pick.

Gianstoppable · Post #412 » by **Gianstoppable** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 5:41 pm

Bernman wrote:
yoshii8 wrote:
Gianstoppable wrote:What realistically could the Pistons want for #12?

From us, I'm guessing Middleton.

Tell them to build a time machine. Then they could have him for free.

As is, it's going to cost them considerably more than the 12th pick.

I'd offer them Delly and #17 for #12, take it or leave it. They want a player who can help now. He wont help much but he could do some good there and they only drop 5 spots.

TaterTots · Post #413 » by **TaterTots** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 5:55 pm

Gianstoppable wrote:
Bernman wrote:
yoshii8 wrote:

From us, I'm guessing Middleton.

Tell them to build a time machine. Then they could have him for free.

As is, it's going to cost them considerably more than the 12th pick.

I'd offer them Delly and #17 for #12, take it or leave it. They want a player who can help now. He wont help much but he could do some good there and they only drop 5 spots.

teletovic fits svg more than dellavedova

Bernman · Post #414 » by **Bernman** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 6:03 pm

Why is Anigbogu a better prospect than, say, a guy like Kaba? They have similar measurements. Kaba is now in the 240's to 250's weight-wise. Kaba has the jumper teams now crave from a big. He's a better handler. He's more aware. He's more graceful. He's a better rebounder. Anigbogu has a better block rate, but also a significantly higher foul rate. So it's a trade off. Kaba has a vastly superior steal rate. Kaba's #'s, when he stepped up in comp, are extremely intriguing. Efficiency dropped somewhat, but volume went up, rebounds were all the way up to 10 in 26 minutes, he averaged 1.6 steals and 1.2 blocks. His steal-rate is consistently really high overall for a big, making his deflection-rate good overall.

Kaba's name has been around for a little while though. So it loses luster. Anigbogu is in the honeymoon period. That would be a reach of a pick. He's more theoretical potential guy, not realistic, let alone mostly developed one. He was a limited bench player at UCLA. Behind fellow frosh T.J. Leaf, who would be the superior pick at 17, and then we may get the better version of Anigbobu w/ our 2nd. Although I suspect some GM's see similar things I do with Kaba.

TaterTots · Post #415 » by **TaterTots** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 6:07 pm

kaba is also 21 while Ike is the youngest player in the draft

Ron Swanson · Post #416 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 6:18 pm

Is Kaba even gonna get drafted? He isn't anywhere near the athlete that Ike is, and he hasn't shown a whole lot of improvement in the last 2-3 years.

Bernman · Post #417 » by **Bernman** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 6:20 pm

TaterTots wrote:kaba is also 21 while Ike is the youngest player in the draft

That's not inherently worth anything. At a point you would have been the youngest player in the draft. So would have Kaba. Still had the length then. Was leaner so could get stronger (and did), but Anigbogu can't get much stronger than he already is. He's physically pretty developed. He might read the game somewhat better over time and stop fouling so much. But his block rate will take a hit from that, and he's not going to get any less clumsy. He doesn't have foundation for a very good jumper or handle. Very stiff and uncoordinated. Kaba was already showing these perimeter skills at Anigbogu's age.

Incidentally, Kaba is 20. His birthday is Sept. 21, 1996. Not that it matters much. But for whatever reason DX lists him incorrectly.

M-C-G · Post #418 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 6:26 pm

Bernman wrote:Why is Anigbogu a better prospect than, say, a guy like Kaba? They have similar measurements. Kaba is now in the 240's to 250's weight-wise. Kaba has the jumper teams now crave from a big. He's a better handler. He's more aware. He's more graceful. He's a better rebounder. Anigbogu has a better block rate, but also a significantly higher foul rate. So it's a trade off. Kaba has a vastly superior steal rate. Kaba's #'s, when he stepped up in comp, are extremely intriguing. Efficiency dropped somewhat, but volume went up, rebounds were all the way up to 10 in 26 minutes, he averaged 1.6 steals and 1.2 blocks. His steal-rate is consistently really high overall for a big, making his deflection-rate good overall.

Kaba's name has been around for a little while though. So it loses luster. Anigbogu is in the honeymoon period. That would be a reach of a pick. He's more theoretical potential guy, not realistic, let alone mostly developed one. He was a limited bench player at UCLA. Behind fellow frosh T.J. Leaf, who would be the superior pick at 17, and then we may get the better version of Anigbobu w/ our 2nd. Although I suspect some GM's see similar things I do with Kaba.

Ike had a meniscus issue I believe coming into the season, so I wouldn't get to wrapped up in production and playing time personally. I'll let some of our euro friends chime in on Kaba, but Ike is a really physical dude in the mold of Tristian Thompson. As I recall the euro friends felt like Kaba was big but not the dirty work guy. I think Kaba is intriguing but I like Ike a lot more.

Here is a good article on TT and his role. If you like that, I think Ike is the guy you want, plus the vids of his workouts, his shot was way better than I anticipated.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/2/17/11022038/tristan-thompson-cavaliers-importance-role-player

Bernman · Post #419 » by **Bernman** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 6:27 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Is Kaba even gonna get drafted? He isn't anywhere near the athlete that Ike is, and he hasn't shown a whole lot of improvement in the last 2-3 years.

I already addressed that, why he's underrated relative to Anigbogu, and why I'd expect him to get drafted comfortably in the end.

Don't know how packing on weight/strength, improving your rebound rate, outside shot, and overall efficiency, especially when raising his level, isn't demonstrating improvement. He practically averaged a double-double with 3 steals + blocks as a 20 year old in Champions' League. Don't see how that's not impressive. He's just not a new name anymore.

Bernman · Post #420 » by **Bernman** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 6:31 pm

M-C-G wrote:Ike had a meniscus issue I believe coming into the season, so I wouldn't get to wrapped up in production and playing time personally. I'll let some of our euro friends chime in on Kaba, but Ike is a really physical dude in the mold of Tristian Thompson. As I recall the euro friends felt like Kaba was big but not the dirty work guy. I think Kaba is intriguing but I like Ike a lot more.

Here is a good article on TT and his role. If you like that, I think Ike is the guy you want, plus the vids of his workouts, his shot was way better than I anticipated.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/2/17/11022038/tristan-thompson-cavaliers-importance-role-player

I'll take into account the meniscus tear potentially making him look clumsy and hindering his production somewhat.

But individual workouts don't really do anything for me.

A realistic best case of Tristan Thompson doesn't move me, especially for the 17th pick.

The stats and scouting breakdown indicates Kaba does plenty of dirty work and plays w/ a little nasty, especially when stepping up in comp, which he said was an added motivator for him. Well the NBA is an even higher level. That's a good sign for his translation.