2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[Unbreakable99]

Someone tell this snake to shut his mouth and go away. Nobody wants you taking shots at Lonzo's dad.

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[LloydFree]

I can't get with Dennis Smith, either.

Even though he's always being linked to them, I don't think he compares to guys like Franchise and Baron Davis for the simple fact that those two played both ends of the floor. Dennis strikes me more as Reggie Jackson. Explosive athlete that is skilled, but lacks proficiency and can't/won't defend.

Even if Dennis fulfills every ounce of offensive potential he has, I think he's likely to just be a Marbury-esque player. He'll show out and put up all-star stats on sub-40 win teams. I have trouble envisioning him as a winning piece. I'm just not interested in him.

I don't get it. People are willing to sell their first born to select the next CJ McCollum with the #1 pick, but turn their nose up at selecting Stephon Marbury with the #3 pick...

Marbury should feel very disrespected

[MR28]

Someone tell this snake to shut his mouth and go away. Nobody wants you taking shots at Lonzo's dad.

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You're in the minority. That guy can **** off.

[BlackKnight]

I wouldn't mind trading back to grab either Isaac or Smith. I still want Simmons to run our offense so I don't know how well Smith would fit but I love his talent.

[Unbreakable99]

Someone tell this snake to shut his mouth and go away. Nobody wants you taking shots at Lonzo's dad.

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You're in the minority. That guy can **** off.

I agree with you. Jerry can F off.

[51X3RF4N]

Regarding Fox video:

1. Right hand on ball too much.
2. Release too slow.
3. Not enough height in jump shot.
4. Waaaay too frail.

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[76ciology]

Regarding Fox video:

1. Right hand on ball too much.
2. Release too slow.
3. Not enough height in jump shot.
4. Waaaay too frail.

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[PLO]

Dennis Smith shot 30.5% on mid-range jumpers and just under 36% from beyond the arc. He's going to clank his fair share of jumpers, for sure.

Yeah he's an average shooter, but its much easier to go from average to good as a shooter than from poor to just average, as Fox and Jackson will have to.

[SelfishPlayer]

I don't like DSJ as a prospect, but I like him more that Josh Jackson and Isaac.

DJ Wilson looks like a lottery talent. He has some range on his jump shot and he can defensively switch onto all 5 positions.

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[Ericb5]

Ball won't be there at #3. There going​ to be false rumors from now until the draft about the Lakers liking Fox more​ than Ball. I hope​ nobody holds their breath waiting for the Lakers to pass on Ball to take Fox. That's not going to happen. The Lakers are going to keep leaking that nonsense, so the Celtics won't get any ideas about taking Ball and holding him for ransom.

What about the fact that Fox might be better than Ball?

Eventually, he may be just that. Ball has some Bust potential in his game. But Fox is going to take a lot of time, just like Dennis Schroeder and Mike Conley. (Honestly, I don't think Fox is anywhere near as good or advanced as Mike Conley at the same stage, but that seems to be the ceiling others have given him) Fox is too weak physically, isn't a good enough shooter and isn't an advanced enough distributer to get any time early on. It will be two years minimum, before Fox is anything in the NBA. The Lakers and other teams know this. I think there is zero chance Fox goes in the top 3 picks.
These teams (Lakers and 76ers) are just using his name as misdirection so other teams can't lock in on who they want, IMO.

I don't see the Fox comparison to Conley. I think Ball has the higher ceiling because he is going to be an elite facilitator in the NBA. Fox doesn't strike me necessarily as a guy that will ever average more than 7-8 assists(which is fine), but he is going to be a terror with the ball in transition, and a relentless penetrator and defender.

I think that he has some excellent intangibles in the areas of competitiveness and relentless effort.

I still think Ball is a no brainer pick for the Lakers. Outside of a dominant bigman like Embiid, I think that Ball is exactly what the Lakers need.

I'm still hoping that Bryan just holds his ground, and does all of his research, but in the end just settles down and takes Jackson.

Watching the way that both the Cavs and Warriors have wings that can really defend on the perimeter, makes me want Jackson even more. Jackson and Covington can be those guys for us, and we have the huge luxury of an elite rim protector and rebounder sitting behind them, which neither the Cavs nor the Warriors have.

You start with Simmons running the team, Embiid being the focus on offense and defense in the half court, Jackson and Simmons running the break, and Jackson and Covington defending on the wings, and you have the makings of a playoff team this year.

Then if we sign Lowry or Holliday we are even better, and we have the Lakers, and Kings picks for future trades or picks. We really would be in great shape.

Then just prioritize shooting in role players.


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[SelfishPlayer]

When has Josh Jackson ever defended the perimeter with excellence? His team has him defending college big men from what I have witnessed. Winslow and Evan Turner are examples of what happens when an NBA wing was drafted based upon playing another position in college.

[Negrodamus]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/2/15732362/nba-news-jerry-colangelo-says-sixers-gm-sam-hinkie-ran-out-of-time-bryan-colangelo-the-process

Sounds like we're leaving this draft with a first round guard based on what Jerry was saying.

I know he said "wing" too, but it just strikes me that they are willing to reach for a guard.

[Ericb5]

When has Josh Jackson ever defended the perimeter with excellence? His team has him defending college big men from what I have witnessed. Winslow and Evan Turner are examples of what happens when an NBA wing was drafted based upon playing another position in college.

I think he has the makeup, work ethnic, and the physical tools to do it.


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[Ericb5]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/2/15732362/nba-news-jerry-colangelo-says-sixers-gm-sam-hinkie-ran-out-of-time-bryan-colangelo-the-process

Sounds like we're leaving this draft with a first round guard based on what Jerry was saying.

I know he said "wing" too, but it just strikes me that they are willing to reach for a guard.

I didn't get that at all from reading that. I think we could easily take Jackson or Tatum.


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[LloydFree]

What about the fact that Fox might be better than Ball?

Eventually, he may be just that. Ball has some Bust potential in his game. But Fox is going to take a lot of time, just like Dennis Schroeder and Mike Conley. (Honestly, I don't think Fox is anywhere near as good or advanced as Mike Conley at the same stage, but that seems to be the ceiling others have given him) Fox is too weak physically, isn't a good enough shooter and isn't an advanced enough distributer to get any time early on. It will be two years minimum, before Fox is anything in the NBA. The Lakers and other teams know this. I think there is zero chance Fox goes in the top 3 picks.
These teams (Lakers and 76ers) are just using his name as misdirection so other teams can't lock in on who they want, IMO.

I don't see the Fox comparison to Conley. I think Ball has the higher ceiling because he is going to be an elite facilitator in the NBA. Fox doesn't strike me necessarily as a guy that will ever average more than 7-8 assists(which is fine), but he is going to be a terror with the ball in transition, and a relentless penetrator and defender.

I think that he has some excellent intangibles in the areas of competitiveness and relentless effort.

I still think Ball is a no brainer pick for the Lakers. Outside of a dominant bigman like Embiid, I think that Ball is exactly what the Lakers need.

I'm still hoping that Bryan just holds his ground, and does all of his research, but in the end just settles down and takes Jackson...
Then just prioritize shooting in role players.

I don't see the Conley comparison either. The only things similar are size and lack of shooting. Conley was a far superior player at the same stage. I only mentioned the name because others seem to believe that could be a true outcome. But even Conley took years to become a positive on the court, with that physical profile and lack of shooting. Fox may eventually be a very good player in the league, because I believe anybody who can create space for themselves can eventually become a decent shooter with practice. But if people are looking for a player for 'fit' he isn't it, because he isn't going to be able to shoot OR defend OR run a team, for a few years, IMO.

[LordCovington33]

Instead of drafting a young stud, why don't we give up #3 pick, lakers pick and okafor for Russell? (re Lakers forum)

Seriously though, I like Jackson and Fox for their defence. Every player has faults. Fultz looks good, but even his FT shooting percentage was low, and he is not a great defender. The point is, it is easy to find sth bad with every player. I am going to be so glad when this is all over as I am in constant with my own self about who to take. So much backward and forwards.

[PLO]

Instead of drafting a young stud, why don't we give up #3 pick, lakers pick and okafor for Russell? (re Lakers forum)

Seriously though, I like Jackson and Fox for their defence. Every player has faults. Fultz looks good, but even his FT shooting percentage was low, and he is not a great defender. The point is, it is easy to find sth bad with every player. I am going to be so glad when this is all over as I am in constant with my own self about who to take. So much backward and forwards.

You're not getting what you think you are if you're drafting either Jackson of Fox for their defence: Jackson is not the defender you proponents have him as (this idea he'll be able to defend guards in the league or some of the elite wings in the game is absurd) and Fox is 170 lbs. Neither player will be even decent defensively in their first few years in the league, especially if Jackson is a starter, Fox has the higher upside though in terms of defense and could be an elite defender for his position a number of years down the track. Jackson is a lot closer to his peak as a defender than Fox is. Both also have technical issues in their games in terms of defense though its very true both were much more engaged in terms of defense than a Fultz or a DSJ. Fultz has the tools to be the best defender out of all of them though; it will be hard for DSJ and his T-Rex arms to be more than a wash defensively, obviously I like him a lot more as a prospect than Fox or Jackson though.

[Sixersftw]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/2/15732362/nba-news-jerry-colangelo-says-sixers-gm-sam-hinkie-ran-out-of-time-bryan-colangelo-the-process

Sounds like we're leaving this draft with a first round guard based on what Jerry was saying.

I know he said "wing" too, but it just strikes me that they are willing to reach for a guard.

Yeah, i've just prepared myself for the Malik reach. While i like him, reaching for him is wildly incompetent. Hoping its a dsj reach

[Bum Adebayo]

Yes I think Sixers will draft either Smith or Fox.
I'm not high on Jackson because he has a combination of fairly average physical tools (wingspan and frame) and suspect shooting.

[OleSchool]

Even though I'm not a big fan of this draft (would prefer to trade the pick + for Butler) I'm to the point where I would like to see BC. Trade down with Sac., for the 5th and just take Isaac.

I really think the only thing that's preventing Isaac from becoming the best player in this draft is his mental makeup, would prefer to be a beta rather than an alpha.