Draft Discussion Part 3

[LukasBMW]

Oh yeah, with a lineup this young, we wouldn't have to actively tank. We could play hard every game and if we win....GREAT. At least the young guys are getting it done.

[Kerrsed]

The Wolves could be a Bledsoe possibility, but it would be a complicated possibility. I think our best bets would be with New York, Dallas, or Sacramento, with the 8-9-10 picks.

Knicks are looking for a seasoned PG and supposably have their eyes set on Rubio. I don't see Rubio being that effective in their modified triangle system, but I bet Bledsoe would flourish.

Dirk only has a few years left in Dallas, and they have been doing everything they can to try to extend his window period that includes wrapping older point guards that were former All Stars but are now broken (Rondo/DWill). Here's their chance to grab a currently better one that is right in his prime.

In my opinion Sacramento has always had a thing for Bledsoe. We know their fans have constantly asked about him in trade offers. We know that our front office was unwilling to give him up when trades were being discussed with the Kings. Now here is their opportunity to bring in Bledsoe to provide that veteran voice and presence and leadership that they need and have been searching for, while also being able to keep one of their two top 10 picks.

Look at any of the mock drafts and see the players that are available in those three spots. We could seriously walk away with a second great pick.

[Zelaznyrules]

I see that suggested often and I just don't get it. In the NBA he seems destined to be a secondary scorer. Perhaps, one day, a great secondary scorer but I just don't see him as the guy who can consistently get it done as a 6th man. I could see him coming off the bench but I could never see him as the primary scorer that your 6th man typically is. But all that said, I think there's a very good chance that Jackson never becomes the equal of Warren today and TJ still has heights to reach IMO.

IMO you draft Jackson if you really feel he's the best player available but don't draft him to replace Warren as there is no need to do so.

If you are only looking at scoring then maybe Jackson doesnt become the equal of Warren but when you add the defensive, ability to run the floor and passing Jackson will be better then Warren from the moment he is drafted. If his shot is fixable he will out shine Warren like the sun does the moon. Warren is a good mid range scorer, a good rebounder for his position and an OK defender. Jackson is a good scorer with the way that he runs the floor and hustles, a good rebounder, a very good defender, a very good passer for his position. Most of the experts say that if Jackson's shot can be fixed he is the second and maybe most talented play in the draft. TJ heights will always be able scoring JJ is about can he be the defensive transformer that helps turn this teams defense around.

First off, fixing a shot like that isn't easy and secondly there are more and more experts backing away from the original Jackson hype. I can't remember the last time I saw a player so overrated for his defense. I feel a lot more confident about Jacksons offense than I do his defense.

We have no idea how he'll do when he's removed from a system where he's basically allowed to go stat hunting whenever he wants to nor do we know how he'll do when he has to actually play straight up against true small forwards. If we work him out and then draft him, that will be a good sign that we're satisfied with the answers to these questions but until then, I'm not sold.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I see that suggested often and I just don't get it. In the NBA he seems destined to be a secondary scorer. Perhaps, one day, a great secondary scorer but I just don't see him as the guy who can consistently get it done as a 6th man. I could see him coming off the bench but I could never see him as the primary scorer that your 6th man typically is. But all that said, I think there's a very good chance that Jackson never becomes the equal of Warren today and TJ still has heights to reach IMO.

IMO you draft Jackson if you really feel he's the best player available but don't draft him to replace Warren as there is no need to do so.

If you are only looking at scoring then maybe Jackson doesnt become the equal of Warren but when you add the defensive, ability to run the floor and passing Jackson will be better then Warren from the moment he is drafted. If his shot is fixable he will out shine Warren like the sun does the moon. Warren is a good mid range scorer, a good rebounder for his position and an OK defender. Jackson is a good scorer with the way that he runs the floor and hustles, a good rebounder, a very good defender, a very good passer for his position. Most of the experts say that if Jackson's shot can be fixed he is the second and maybe most talented play in the draft. TJ heights will always be able scoring JJ is about can he be the defensive transformer that helps turn this teams defense around.

First off, fixing a shot like that isn't easy and secondly there are more and more experts backing away from the original Jackson hype. I can't remember the last time I saw a player so overrated for his defense. I feel a lot more confident about Jacksons offense than I do his defense.

We have no idea how he'll do when he's removed from a system where he's basically allowed to go stat hunting whenever he wants to nor do we know how he'll do when he has to actually play straight up against true small forwards. If we work him out and then draft him, that will be a good sign that we're satisfied with the answers to these questions but until then, I'm not sold.

Oh thank Nash I'm not alone on this island. I'd begun to think I was blind.

Some mocks now playfully speculate about Jackson slipping past the Kings. I think he and Isaac are the two biggest boom/bust prospects at the top. Particularly with Jackson - I'm guessing he'd look very different playing on a court with NBA size and athleticism at all five positions. He just doesn't truly stand out by any objective metric.

[Villalobos]

Fox's mechanics look so much better than Jackson's. Hopefully he nails all his 3s when he works out for the 6ers.

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[bwgood77]

I see that suggested often and I just don't get it. In the NBA he seems destined to be a secondary scorer. Perhaps, one day, a great secondary scorer but I just don't see him as the guy who can consistently get it done as a 6th man. I could see him coming off the bench but I could never see him as the primary scorer that your 6th man typically is. But all that said, I think there's a very good chance that Jackson never becomes the equal of Warren today and TJ still has heights to reach IMO.

IMO you draft Jackson if you really feel he's the best player available but don't draft him to replace Warren as there is no need to do so.

If you are only looking at scoring then maybe Jackson doesnt become the equal of Warren but when you add the defensive, ability to run the floor and passing Jackson will be better then Warren from the moment he is drafted. If his shot is fixable he will out shine Warren like the sun does the moon. Warren is a good mid range scorer, a good rebounder for his position and an OK defender. Jackson is a good scorer with the way that he runs the floor and hustles, a good rebounder, a very good defender, a very good passer for his position. Most of the experts say that if Jackson's shot can be fixed he is the second and maybe most talented play in the draft. TJ heights will always be able scoring JJ is about can he be the defensive transformer that helps turn this teams defense around.

First off, fixing a shot like that isn't easy and secondly there are more and more experts backing away from the original Jackson hype. I can't remember the last time I saw a player so overrated for his defense. I feel a lot more confident about Jacksons offense than I do his defense.

We have no idea how he'll do when he's removed from a system where he's basically allowed to go stat hunting whenever he wants to nor do we know how he'll do when he has to actually play straight up against true small forwards. If we work him out and then draft him, that will be a good sign that we're satisfied with the answers to these questions but until then, I'm not sold.

Allowed to go stat hunting? This guy wasn't even really featured on offense and is just a guy that doesn't take plays off and does all the little things. I don't think he's doing it to hunt for stats, as many of the things he does don't show up on the stat sheet. Did you read darealjuice's drafted write ups? If so, did you just not believe him or feel you can better assess Jackson's ability? Here is what he wrote in his first paragraph before breaking things down further. I'm not sure how much you actually watched of Jackson, but I know darealjuice watched all his games and probably some more than once.

Jackson is all over the court for Kansas doing all the little things that separate the teams that win from the rest. He’s crashing the boards hard and racking up double-doubles despite playing out of position as an undersized Power Forward, he’s diving and jumping into the stands going after every loose ball in his range, he’s down in a defensive stance playing the passing lanes and protecting the rim, and he almost never takes a play off on either end.

He was a consensus top 3 high school recruit that joined a program notorious for not featuring their freshmen in favor of upperclassmen, accepted a role as the 3rd offensive option/ball handler on offense behind Frank Mason and Devonte’ Graham and the glue guy on defense, was forced to play Power Forward as his primary position once the big man rotation started to dwindle, and he still excelled and almost always looked like the best player on the court despite all of that.

Josh Jackson can be a guy that does everything on the court in the NBA with some polish. He can be a slasher at Small Forward with the versatility to play spot minutes at Shooting Guard and Power Forward, he can be an auxiliary playmaker without being a primary ball handler, he can lead the break with the ball and make the right play or be a target at the rim, and he can switch and defend 3-4 positions on the court at any time.

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It's also routinely reported that many think he's the most talented player in the draft.

[thamadkant]

If Josh Jackson is available at pick 4 and Suns pass... McD needs to be fired.

[JMac1]

If Josh Jackson is available at pick 4 and Suns pass... McD needs to be fired.

You can make whatever statement you like, however, if McD doesn't chose him, I'd think it would be for a reason. I trust him over me and any "expert" writer. All real scouts say absolutely nothing about prospects. Nothing of value anyway.

Jackson is my guy, but if we can and don't draft him, I would not call for his head.

Btw BW...I'm Jackson, Fox then Tatum.

[PackSuns]

To be fair, wingspan is way more relevant than height in the modern NBA. If there was a 6'3" dude with a 7' wingspan you can bet a coach would spam him at the 4.

Great point. I would add that standing reach may be more important then both of these measurements.

You guys are talking crazy, nobody is gonna put a 6'3" guy on a 6'10" because they have similiar wingspans. There are outliers like Marcus Smart and maybe Tony Allen, but this isnt a normal practice. The general strength and weight disparity will be too much.

Not sure what's "crazy" about stating that standing reach is an important measurement.

[bwgood77]

If Josh Jackson is available at pick 4 and Suns pass... McD needs to be fired.

You can make whatever statement you like, however, if McD doesn't chose him, I'd think it would be for a reason. I trust him over me and any "expert" writer. All real scouts say absolutely nothing about prospects. Nothing of value anyway.

Jackson is my guy, but if we can and don't draft him, I would not call for his head.

Btw BW...I'm Jackson, Fox then Tatum.

I'm Fultz, Jackson, and then (I change my mind). Though I wouldn't be that disappointed if we took Jackson over Fultz either but of course it won't come to that.

[thamadkant]

If Josh Jackson is available at pick 4 and Suns pass... McD needs to be fired.

You can make whatever statement you like, however, if McD doesn't chose him, I'd think it would be for a reason. I trust him over me and any "expert" writer. All real scouts say absolutely nothing about prospects. Nothing of value anyway.

Jackson is my guy, but if we can and don't draft him, I would not call for his head.

Btw BW...I'm Jackson, Fox then Tatum.

That reason would be the same as when he passed on Gobert or Adams for Len.


He aint perfect.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Subject to change but my personal big boad

Fultz
Jackson
Isaac
Fox
Tatum
Smith
Ball
Collins
Monk

The more I look at this draft I feel like its a lot of very good but not great players in the top 10. I'd be cool with any of these guys at 4 because after fultz that next 8 is pretty even.


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[thamadkant]

Ideal case Jackson is Iguadala v2.0

Perfect next to a non defender like Booker.

If he doesnt... He'll still be a Ariza wingman... But more of a passer than a spot up shooter. But he has improved his 3pt percentage.

[Ghost of Kleine]

The Wolves could be a Bledsoe possibility, but it would be a complicated possibility. I think our best bets would be with New York, Dallas, or Sacramento, with the 8-9-10 picks.

Knicks are looking for a seasoned PG and supposedly have their eyes set on Rubio. I don't see Rubio being that effective in their modified triangle system, but I bet Bledsoe would flourish.

Dirk only has a few years left in Dallas, and they have been doing everything they can to try to extend his window period that includes wrapping older point guards that were former All Stars but are now broken (Rondo/D Will). Here's their chance to grab a currently better one that is right in his prime.

In my opinion Sacramento has always had a thing for Bledsoe. We know their fans have constantly asked about him in trade offers. We know that our front office was unwilling to give him up when trades were being discussed with the Kings. Now here is their opportunity to bring in Bledsoe to provide that veteran voice and presence and leadership that they need and have been searching for, while also being able to keep one of their two top 10 picks.

Look at any of the mock drafts and see the players that are available in those three spots. We could seriously walk away with a second great pick.

[JMac1]

If Josh Jackson is available at pick 4 and Suns pass... McD needs to be fired.

You can make whatever statement you like, however, if McD doesn't chose him, I'd think it would be for a reason. I trust him over me and any "expert" writer. All real scouts say absolutely nothing about prospects. Nothing of value anyway.

Jackson is my guy, but if we can and don't draft him, I would not call for his head.

Btw BW...I'm Jackson, Fox then Tatum.

That reason would be the same as when he passed on Gobert or Adams for Len.


He aint perfect.

He is better than us!

[RaisingArizona]

If Josh Jackson is available at pick 4 and Suns pass... McD needs to be fired.

That's a bit extreme. I like him but he does have some baggage and a funky looking shot.

[RaisingArizona]

If Josh Jackson is available at pick 4 and Suns pass... McD needs to be fired.

You can make whatever statement you like, however, if McD doesn't chose him, I'd think it would be for a reason. I trust him over me and any "expert" writer. All real scouts say absolutely nothing about prospects. Nothing of value anyway.

Jackson is my guy, but if we can and don't draft him, I would not call for his head.

Btw BW...I'm Jackson, Fox then Tatum.

That reason would be the same as when he passed on Gobert or Adams for Len.


He aint perfect.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft

[Mulhollanddrive]

I think we'd have to add another piece or pieces to get close to 7.

EG. Bledsoe + Chandler + 32 for 7 + Petkovic

It would mean McDonough would REALLY have to love the player as he's risking his career for it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think we'd have to add another piece or pieces to get close to 7.

EG. Bledsoe + Chandler + 32 for 7 + Petkovic

It would mean McDonough would REALLY have to love the player as he's risking his career for it.

I have a little different view on that. If mcd trades Bledsoe and Chandler he would be all in on the youth movement, expectations for wins would be low. If the team played hard and showed development his job would be safe. And frankly if the young guys don't show development then its probably time for a regime change next summer.

Now if he keeps the vets and adds some more expectations are higher and now his job is tied more to wins.

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[sunwillrise0304]

saying josh jackson stat hunting is really nonsense.

In fact, this guy doing many little thing can't be showed at the stat line, drawing charges, hustles for 5050 ballr.....