Draft Discussion Part 3

[JMac1]

Trade Bledsoe Draft Monk and Collins!?! I'm warming up to Monk a lot. Dude gets his shot off quick.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think we'd have to add another piece or pieces to get close to 7.

EG. Bledsoe + Chandler + 32 for 7 + Petkovic

It would mean McDonough would REALLY have to love the player as he's risking his career for it.

I have a little different view on that. If mcd trades Bledsoe and Chandler he would be all in on the youth movement, expectations for wins would be low. If the team played hard and showed development his job would be safe. And frankly if the young guys don't show development then its probably time for a regime change next summer.

Now if he keeps the vets and adds some more expectations are higher and now his job is tied more to wins.

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There is the consideration that in taking back Pekovics' contract, Minnesota gains much more cap space, Allowing them to chose a veteran of their preference now to bolster their playoff hopes in addition to the boost that Bledsoe will already give them production wise, and in terms of leadership and veteran presence/experience. pretty much assuring them of their goal of making it into the playoffs.

Therefore I believe that no necessary additional compensation would be needed to accomplish this trade. However, Should we have any interest whatsoever in Rubio? I'm fairly sure given the reports of Thibedoughs' desire to move on from him, that he could be added to our returning package.


But overall, I'm certain in that Bledsoe and taking back Pekovics' contract will suffice to acquire the pick from Minnesota. In an extreme circumstance(If necessary) I would be open to sending back Chandler to minnesota in the deal, But I just don't know if they'd want to add back his contract to their cap after gaining so much cap room by moving peks' contract in the deal. But in no way, would I entertain throwing in our # 32 pick as well. That pick is "essential" to our hopes of acquiring potential "steals of the draft" In Bam Edebayo and/or Semi Ojeleye, Or even possibly Jonathan Jeanne.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think we'd have to add another piece or pieces to get close to 7.

EG. Bledsoe + Chandler + 32 for 7 + Petkovic

It would mean McDonough would REALLY have to love the player as he's risking his career for it.

I have a little different view on that. If mcd trades Bledsoe and Chandler he would be all in on the youth movement, expectations for wins would be low. If the team played hard and showed development his job would be safe. And frankly if the young guys don't show development then its probably time for a regime change next summer.

Now if he keeps the vets and adds some more expectations are higher and now his job is tied more to wins.

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There is the consideration that in taking back Pekovics' contract, Minnesota gains much more cap space, Allowing them to chose a veteran of their preference now to bolster their playoff hopes in addition to the boost that Bledsoe will already give them production wise, and in terms of leadership and veteran presence/experience. pretty much assuring them of their goal of making it into the playoffs.

Therefore I believe that no necessary additional compensation would be needed to accomplish this trade. However, Should we have any interest whatsoever in Rubio? I'm fairly sure given the reports of Thibedoughs' desire to move on from him, that he could be added to our returning package.


But overall, I'm certain in that Bledsoe and taking back Pekovics' contract will suffice to acquire the pick from Minnesota. In an extreme circumstance(If necessary) I would be open to sending back Chandler to minnesota in the deal, But I just don't know if they'd want to add back his contract to their cap after gaining so much cap room by moving peks' contract in the deal. But in no way, would I entertain throwing in our # 32 pick as well. That pick is "essential" to our hopes of acquiring potential "steals of the draft" In Bam Edebayo and/or Semi Ojeleye, Or even possibly Jonathan Jeanne.

Should we however choose to entertain moving Chandler in this deal as well, Which in fairness is a reasonable idea, Considering Thibs strong desire for a defensive oriented team and Chandler is another playoff tested veteran presence with a championship pedigree. So here is a workable trade scenario I believe still.

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I think we'd have to add another piece or pieces to get close to 7.

EG. Bledsoe + Chandler + 32 for 7 + Petkovic

It would mean McDonough would REALLY have to love the player as he's risking his career for it.

I have a little different view on that. If mcd trades Bledsoe and Chandler he would be all in on the youth movement, expectations for wins would be low. If the team played hard and showed development his job would be safe. And frankly if the young guys don't show development then its probably time for a regime change next summer.

Now if he keeps the vets and adds some more expectations are higher and now his job is tied more to wins.

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There is the consideration that in taking back Pekovics' contract, Minnesota gains much more cap space, Allowing them to chose a veteran of their preference now to bolster their playoff hopes in addition to the boost that Bledsoe will already give them production wise, and in terms of leadership and veteran presence/experience. pretty much assuring them of their goal of making it into the playoffs.

Therefore I believe that no necessary additional compensation would be needed to accomplish this trade. However, Should we have any interest whatsoever in Rubio? I'm fairly sure given the reports of Thibedoughs' desire to move on from him, that he could be added to our returning package.


But overall, I'm certain in that Bledsoe and taking back Pekovics' contract will suffice to acquire the pick from Minnesota. In an extreme circumstance(If necessary) I would be open to sending back Chandler to minnesota in the deal, But I just don't know if they'd want to add back his contract to their cap after gaining so much cap room by moving peks' contract in the deal. But in no way, would I entertain throwing in our # 32 pick as well. That pick is "essential" to our hopes of acquiring potential "steals of the draft" In Bam Edebayo and/or Semi Ojeleye, Or even possibly Jonathan Jeanne.

They can't trade peks contract because hes going to be ruled as a medical retire and his money will clear off their books. Aldridges contract is the one they would probably want to dump.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I have a little different view on that. If mcd trades Bledsoe and Chandler he would be all in on the youth movement, expectations for wins would be low. If the team played hard and showed development his job would be safe. And frankly if the young guys don't show development then its probably time for a regime change next summer.

Now if he keeps the vets and adds some more expectations are higher and now his job is tied more to wins.

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There is the consideration that in taking back Pekovics' contract, Minnesota gains much more cap space, Allowing them to chose a veteran of their preference now to bolster their playoff hopes in addition to the boost that Bledsoe will already give them production wise, and in terms of leadership and veteran presence/experience. pretty much assuring them of their goal of making it into the playoffs.

Therefore I believe that no necessary additional compensation would be needed to accomplish this trade. However, Should we have any interest whatsoever in Rubio? I'm fairly sure given the reports of Thibedoughs' desire to move on from him, that he could be added to our returning package.


But overall, I'm certain in that Bledsoe and taking back Pekovics' contract will suffice to acquire the pick from Minnesota. In an extreme circumstance(If necessary) I would be open to sending back Chandler to minnesota in the deal, But I just don't know if they'd want to add back his contract to their cap after gaining so much cap room by moving peks' contract in the deal. But in no way, would I entertain throwing in our # 32 pick as well. That pick is "essential" to our hopes of acquiring potential "steals of the draft" In Bam Edebayo and/or Semi Ojeleye, Or even possibly Jonathan Jeanne.

They can't trade peks contract because hes going to be ruled as a medical retire and his money will clear off their books. Aldridges contract is the one they would probably want to dump.

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Was going to say something to this effect as trading for Pek has been erroneously suggested several times. But while Minny may be interested in Tyson as a vet influence, my guess is that they'd be more interested in Dudley for his passing, defensive smarts and three point shooting. I was thinking about a Bled + Dudley + #32 for Rubio + Aldrich + #7 for a while, likely with Rubio or even Aldrich going to a third team, partly in order to prevent the appearance of us wanting to switch up the PGs. Rubio, Knight and Aldrich to DET for Drummond + #12 makes some sense, for instance.

There are just so many possibly moving parts that it seems fruitless to play the trade game with myself. Things will either happen or not happen on or leading up to the draft. Plenty of possibilities.

[bwgood77]

I don't see why Minnesota would trade 7 for Bledsoe. It has been mentioned that Thibs would prefer a vet rather than a raw rookie, but the one position he does have a vet who makes a big difference when he is on the floor and is a better defender than Bledsoe, is Rubio.

He probably wants a veteran defensive wing. He probably wants to trade the 7 and maybe a player for Butler, or a poor man's Butler even.

Our best bet is trading Bledsoe to the Pistons for the 12th and hoping Ntilikina falls that far if we decide to add a PG, assuming we go with a wing at #4. If the Kings somehow end up with Tatum at #5, I can see them moving their #10 for Bledsoe, but they may just decide to draft Ntilikina, as they have enough bigs, and won't need Markkaken or Collins.

Regardless, I find it very hard for the Suns to come out with an elite wing AND PG in the this draft. This draft is much better than last year's and teams are going to be a lot less reluctant to trade their picks unless it's for an established star like Butler or George.

Yeah, Minny would likely have no interest in Bledsoe considering he wants vets and that is the one position he has a vet at, likes defense, and Rubio is better at defense and getting others involved. The last thing he needs is a high usage scoring pg with Wiggins, LaVine and Towns.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't see why Minnesota would trade 7 for Bledsoe. It has been mentioned that Thibs would prefer a vet rather than a raw rookie, but the one position he does have a vet who makes a big difference when he is on the floor and is a better defender than Bledsoe, is Rubio.

He probably wants a veteran defensive wing. He probably wants to trade the 7 and maybe a player for Butler, or a poor man's Butler even.

Our best bet is trading Bledsoe to the Pistons for the 12th and hoping Ntilikina falls that far if we decide to add a PG, assuming we go with a wing at #4. If the Kings somehow end up with Tatum at #5, I can see them moving their #10 for Bledsoe, but they may just decide to draft Ntilikina, as they have enough bigs, and won't need Markkaken or Collins.

Regardless, I find it very hard for the Suns to come out with an elite wing AND PG in the this draft. This draft is much better than last year's and teams are going to be a lot less reluctant to trade their picks unless it's for an established star like Butler or George.

Yeah, Minny would likely have no interest in Bledsoe considering he wants vets and that is the one position he has a vet at, likes defense, and Rubio is better at defense and getting others involved. The last thing he needs is a high usage scoring pg with Wiggins, LaVine and Towns.

I don't know. I could see him prizing Bled, seeing as how Rubio is viewed as having several critical flaws, and seeing as how he drafted Dunn, whose ceiling was viewed as being something close to Bledsoe. The physical, bruising PG may be a "type" for Thibs.

It's also unclear where he would start a prize vet. If not at the 1, who of Wiggins, KAT, Dieng and LaVine gets benched? Are we talking Courtney Lee, here? Or Wilson Chandler? Or adding a Millsap or Griffin in free agency, perhaps? As they stand, Minny can get up to $20 million in cap space. As they stand, if they want to attract a top notch FA before having to bow out of free agency forever with KAT, Wiggins and LaVine's extensions, I think moving on from Rubio would help, as he's been a source of instability and his position with the team has been in doubt for several years now. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see them move on.

[bwgood77]

Our best bet is trading Bledsoe to the Pistons for the 12th and hoping Ntilikina falls that far if we decide to add a PG, assuming we go with a wing at #4. If the Kings somehow end up with Tatum at #5, I can see them moving their #10 for Bledsoe, but they may just decide to draft Ntilikina, as they have enough bigs, and won't need Markkaken or Collins.

Regardless, I find it very hard for the Suns to come out with an elite wing AND PG in the this draft. This draft is much better than last year's and teams are going to be a lot less reluctant to trade their picks unless it's for an established star like Butler or George.

Yeah, Minny would likely have no interest in Bledsoe considering he wants vets and that is the one position he has a vet at, likes defense, and Rubio is better at defense and getting others involved. The last thing he needs is a high usage scoring pg with Wiggins, LaVine and Towns.

I don't know. I could see him prizing Bled, seeing as how Rubio is viewed as having several critical flaws, and seeing as how he drafted Dunn, whose ceiling was viewed as being something close to Bledsoe. The physical, bruising PG may be a "type" for Thibs.

It's also unclear where he would start a prize vet. If not at the 1, who of Wiggins, KAT, Dieng and LaVine gets benched? Are we talking Courtney Lee, here? Or Wilson Chandler? Or adding a Millsap or Griffin in free agency, perhaps? As they stand, Minny can get up to $20 million in cap space. As they stand, if they want to attract a top notch FA before having to bow out of free agency forever with KAT, Wiggins and LaVine's extensions, I think moving on from Rubio would help, as he's been a source of instability and his position with the team has been in doubt for several years now. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see them move on.

They would probably like a Wilson Chandler. I could see them doing something like Wilson Chandler and 12 for 7 and filler.

THEN, once Denver had the #7, THEY would very likely consider trading it for Bledsoe. So I suppose you could just work a three way up there.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Yeah, Minny would likely have no interest in Bledsoe considering he wants vets and that is the one position he has a vet at, likes defense, and Rubio is better at defense and getting others involved. The last thing he needs is a high usage scoring pg with Wiggins, LaVine and Towns.

I don't know. I could see him prizing Bled, seeing as how Rubio is viewed as having several critical flaws, and seeing as how he drafted Dunn, whose ceiling was viewed as being something close to Bledsoe. The physical, bruising PG may be a "type" for Thibs.

It's also unclear where he would start a prize vet. If not at the 1, who of Wiggins, KAT, Dieng and LaVine gets benched? Are we talking Courtney Lee, here? Or Wilson Chandler? Or adding a Millsap or Griffin in free agency, perhaps? As they stand, Minny can get up to $20 million in cap space. As they stand, if they want to attract a top notch FA before having to bow out of free agency forever with KAT, Wiggins and LaVine's extensions, I think moving on from Rubio would help, as he's been a source of instability and his position with the team has been in doubt for several years now. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see them move on.

They would probably like a Wilson Chandler. I could see them doing something like Wilson Chandler and 12 for 7 and filler.

THEN, once Denver had the #7, THEY would very likely consider trading it for Bledsoe. So I suppose you could just work a three way up there.

Well first DEN would have to move up to #12, but yeah, I could see something like that. If I'm Denver, I'm targeting Isaac or Tatum, though. There are so many different ways it might make sense for these teams to move around.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think the wolves make a run at butler. Something based around lavine and 7 could make sense for both side. With pek coming off their books and a little more cap maneuvering they could even land butler and still have enough cash to make a run at a guy like griffin or milsap. Those two paired with towns and wiggins is a interesting win now core.

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[Mulhollanddrive]

Has a top 7 pick ever been traded for a guy over 25 who isn't an All-Star?

I was surprised to read Minnesota fans open to the idea.

[bwgood77]

I don't know. I could see him prizing Bled, seeing as how Rubio is viewed as having several critical flaws, and seeing as how he drafted Dunn, whose ceiling was viewed as being something close to Bledsoe. The physical, bruising PG may be a "type" for Thibs.

It's also unclear where he would start a prize vet. If not at the 1, who of Wiggins, KAT, Dieng and LaVine gets benched? Are we talking Courtney Lee, here? Or Wilson Chandler? Or adding a Millsap or Griffin in free agency, perhaps? As they stand, Minny can get up to $20 million in cap space. As they stand, if they want to attract a top notch FA before having to bow out of free agency forever with KAT, Wiggins and LaVine's extensions, I think moving on from Rubio would help, as he's been a source of instability and his position with the team has been in doubt for several years now. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see them move on.

They would probably like a Wilson Chandler. I could see them doing something like Wilson Chandler and 12 for 7 and filler.

THEN, once Denver had the #7, THEY would very likely consider trading it for Bledsoe. So I suppose you could just work a three way up there.

Well first DEN would have to move up to #12, but yeah, I could see something like that. If I'm Denver, I'm targeting Isaac or Tatum, though. There are so many different ways it might make sense for these teams to move around.

Sub in 13 then....I was thinking they had 12 obviously when I typed that. I think Thibs would be happy to come away with a vet like Chandler and a young high defensive upside guy in OG Anunoby.

I think Denver is ready to accelerate since they are so close. They already have tons of depth, a lot of good young talent mixed with age. They could REALLY use a guy like Bledsoe more than Isaac or Tatum right now...at least my guess is that's what they'd prefer.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

They would probably like a Wilson Chandler. I could see them doing something like Wilson Chandler and 12 for 7 and filler.

THEN, once Denver had the #7, THEY would very likely consider trading it for Bledsoe. So I suppose you could just work a three way up there.

Well first DEN would have to move up to #12, but yeah, I could see something like that. If I'm Denver, I'm targeting Isaac or Tatum, though. There are so many different ways it might make sense for these teams to move around.

Sub in 13 then....I was thinking they had 12 obviously when I typed that. I think Thibs would be happy to come away with a vet like Chandler and a young high defensive upside guy in OG Anunoby.

I think Denver is ready to accelerate since they are so close. They already have tons of depth, a lot of good young talent mixed with age. They could REALLY use a guy like Bledsoe more than Isaac or Tatum right now...at least my guess is that's what they'd prefer.

Oh! Didn't realize DEN had the #13. For some reason, I penciled them in as having POR's pick. Didn't mean to get persnickety with you.

That's a nice three-way you've come up with, btw. W. Chandler + #13 to MIN; Bledsoe + #32 to DEN; #7 + filler to PHX. Pretty nifty. I suspect MIN would want to keep its cap space, but perhaps we could facilitate something in that respect as well. If I were them, I'd be considering moving salary in order to attract a top FA.

If I'm DEN, I think I'd want to add one more core youngster at the SF. They have Jokic, Murray, Harris and Hernangomez, by my count. I'd want a long, shot-blocking SF in there, if I were them.

[bwgood77]

Well first DEN would have to move up to #12, but yeah, I could see something like that. If I'm Denver, I'm targeting Isaac or Tatum, though. There are so many different ways it might make sense for these teams to move around.

Sub in 13 then....I was thinking they had 12 obviously when I typed that. I think Thibs would be happy to come away with a vet like Chandler and a young high defensive upside guy in OG Anunoby.

I think Denver is ready to accelerate since they are so close. They already have tons of depth, a lot of good young talent mixed with age. They could REALLY use a guy like Bledsoe more than Isaac or Tatum right now...at least my guess is that's what they'd prefer.

Oh! Didn't realize DEN had the #13. For some reason, I penciled them in as having POR's pick. Didn't mean to get persnickety with you.

That's a nice three-way you've come up with, btw. W. Chandler + #13 to MIN; Bledsoe + #32 to DEN; #7 + filler to PHX. Pretty nifty. I suspect MIN would want to keep its cap space, but perhaps we could facilitate something in that respect as well. If I were them, I'd be considering moving salary in order to attract a top FA.

If I'm DEN, I think I'd want to add one more core youngster at the SF. They have Jokic, Murray, Harris and Hernangomez, by my count. I'd want a long, shot-blocking SF in there, if I were them.

I guess it depends on their plans for Gallinari too...he says he will opt out but wants to stay. I mean he is perfect for their team. They also have Mason Plumlee now and I'm sure plan to keep him considering they gave up Nurkic and a first for him.

They desperately need a PG. If you had them keeping #7, why do you think they need a 3 more than a PG? Are you high on Mudiay? He has been pretty bad.

[JMac1]

Has a top 7 pick ever been traded for a guy over 25 who isn't an All-Star?

I was surprised to read Minnesota fans open to the idea.

It's time for Minny to put up or shut up. What's going to help them more, the 7th pick or Bledsoe? Bledsoe is not old by any means.

He is just a little old for our core.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

An experiment in mock: What if everyone selected the player that fits (or traded down, if no fit is available)?

1. BOS - Fultz
2. LAL - Ball
--- I consider these two locks, regardless what is said.
3. PHI - Jackson
--- I've come around to this idea: while I don't know how the rest of the team will look with Simmons as PG, what I'd be most worried about is a lack of movement and holes developing on defense in transition. I think Jackson is the easiest player to see fitting off-ball with those two. He may not ever be the best shooter, but can he get good enough that you can't leave him wide open? My best guess is yes.
4. PHX - Fox
--- For several reasons, but mostly because the other young talent worthy of a pick this high (Tatum) is at a position at which the Suns are overloaded. I think Fox is the pick here, and I would think the Suns would have a plan in place to complete youth transition by moving Bledsoe on draft day after making this pick.
5. SAC - Tatum
--- I really don't think Tatum is all that similar to Rudy Gay. Rudy was an athlete who learned how to shoot. Tatum is adopting moves used by Melo, Pierce, Durant and Dirk early on in his career. Disciplined on offense. Great physical attributes. Clearly the best talent available.
6. ORL - Monk
--- While I think Tatum might be a better fit, I don't see him lasting until 6. And I don't see us trading back unless we prefer Ntilikina or Monk to Fox. So I say ORL goes next best thing In Monk.
7. MIN - Markkanen
--- I know a lot of people would suggest Isaac, but I think he's a much bigger risk. Markkanen may not protect the rim, but he plays hard, and he has a truly elite NBA skill that could help Minny become one of the league's elite offenses.
8. NYK - DSJ
--- I think a Hernangomez/Zinger/Isaac front court would be abominable on offense. I go DSJ here if I'm NYK and hope for the best.
9. DAL - Isaac
--- I think DAL would be ecstatic to see the advanced stats darling fall so far. The last player in this tier, so unless DAL has something up their sleeves...
10. SAC - Ntilikina
--- SAC's well-positioned to take one of the top 3 SFs and one of the top 5 guards. If this is how things go down, I probably give SAC an A.
11. CHA - Zach Collins (Trade)
Here's where things get dicey. If I'm Charlotte, I'm not looking to add yet another BWS. I need to stop treading water and acquire a wing with dynamism. (I actually think Warren would be a great target for them as a replacement for the moribund MKG.) No player fitting this description is available at 11. I could see them going Bam, John Collins, or any number of ways if they keep the pick. But I think they'd do better moving it, and if someone's willing to pay top NBA trade dollar, I'd think they player would have to be a guy with a high ceiling - that's Zach. Hopefully, this is us scooping him up on draft day.
12. DET - John Collins
Kurt Thomas had a long and productive NBA career. So did David West. So could John Collins.
13. DEN - OG Anunoby
An elite defensive SF? Perhaps! The fit looks right to me.
14. MIA - TJ Leaf
Things start to fall apart around the end of the lottery, I think. Could go Bam here, but I think Leaf is the better bet.

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Pretty sure Schultz is being fed BS by some executive for a while now but this would make the draft interesting.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

They desperately need a PG. If you had them keeping #7, why do you think they need a 3 more than a PG? Are you high on Mudiay? He has been pretty bad.

Several reasons:

1. I see Harris and Murray and wonder if they can't figure out ball-handling/creation duties in time. Murray will be a poor defender whether he's a 1 or a 2, but he showed a lot of playmaking potential coming out of high school. I think they should at least give Jamal a test run as the PG. Can't do that if you draft a PG.

2. Considering each of the PGs individually, I see potential fit issues, as well:

(A) I think Fox could look great in their backcourt, but then, are they that ready to give up on Mudiay? Mudiay reminds me a bit of Marcus Smart - as in, maybe if he puts enough things together enough, he could be a useful rotation guard, primarily due to his physical advantages. Simply put, I don't think they could swing a trade for Fox.

(B) DSJ is risky, because now you have committed yourself to an undersized and probably defense-poor back court. I really hate the fit of DSJ with Murray, and it's not like those two will be in a lineup together with Harris at the same time.

(C) Ntilikina - Didn't they just draft the mysterious athletic point guard? Isn't he still here?

3. In theory, this team needs Isaac more than anyone. Their core lacks size in the backcourt - they need length on the perimeter. Isaac is that. They need shotblocking and defense on the interior, too. Damn, they just need defense. Isaac should be help to help in that respect, at least.