2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

carey · Post #281 » by **carey** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 1:33 am

ginobiliflops wrote:I have realized that. A ton of casual NBA writers out there who only cover the big markets who don't know what they're talking about. It makes it hard to take them seriously about anything. Perception matters too; the Suns have been bad for awhile so these writers assume our guys are all trash and our FO will continue to make bad decisions.

Easier to assume that until proven otherwise for most.

carey · Post #282 » by **carey** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 1:36 am

JJ13 wrote:I can't be the only one reading the tea leaves here, can I? Lots of people talking about Klay being traded. Didn't RealGM even post an article about GS paying close to $300MM in a couple years?

Yes, but like the article says that isn't until '19-'20. It also pre-supposes KD, Steph, Klay & Draymond all take the max. Durant has already said he'd be willing to take less.

JJ13 · Post #283 » by **JJ13** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 2:29 am

carey wrote:
JJ13 wrote:I can't be the only one reading the tea leaves here, can I? Lots of people talking about Klay being traded. Didn't RealGM even post an article about GS paying close to $300MM in a couple years?

Yes, but like the article says that isn't until '19-'20. It also pre-supposes KD, Steph, Klay & Draymond all take the max. Durant has already said he'd be willing to take less.

Doesn't matter if klay is unhappy. I would be if I was the 5th star

AtheJ415 · Post #284 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 3:54 am

Klay hopefully does get traded. I would like more competitive balance in the league. That said, we should 1000% NOT be the ones trading for him. He is 27, and doesn't fit the age group of our core, and even if we added him we are so very far away from contending.

YouTube · Post #285 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 4:04 am

As long as it doesnt cost us our draft pick, or any of our youngsters, i say go for it.

Im thinking a 3-way with the Lakers and Pacers. Indiana knows that there is a real threat of losing PG13 for nothing after next season, so i think they will be looking to get what the can from him this season. Lakers make the move to secure him early so he wont be sent to another team where he could end up liking the situation and staying rather than opting out to join the Lakers. LA also doesnt give up much, as with LA looking at Ball, Russell becomes expendable.

Suns get: Russell/Nance Jr.
Lakers get: PG13
Pacers get: Bledsoe/Brewer/LA 1st (#28)

If its possible to walk away with Russell and Jackson while only getting rid of Bledsoe, i would consider it a win.

Russell/Booker/Jackson/Chriss/BigSauce

AtheJ415 · Post #286 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 4:28 am

I'd actually give up our pick for Russell. I am probably a bigger fan of his game than most. A Russell Booker backcourt is very promising, not just because of their friendship but because of their ages, desire to play together, and complementary skills. They both need to improve defensively, but no 21 year old is a complete player. Both show a lot of offensive promise, and that would be the best young backcourt in basketball. You basically have the backcourt set for the next decade between those 2 and Ulis. Russell can play some 2 as well with Ulis in small lineups imo.

If we could get him without giving up the pick--great, but I'd be open to trading quite a bit for him, including the pick. Even pick 4 this year and the Miami pick next year. Keep the unprotected Miami pick for 2021.

At that point you trade Bledsoe to get back into the late lottery and maybe one of the SFs slips (like Isaac), or if not you would get a good big guy like Lauri or Collins there. Then take a SF in round 2 or address it in a future draft or FA.

RaisingArizona · Post #287 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 4:48 am

Would anyone happen to have any pictures of Booker and Russell together? I can't seem to find any...

thamadkant · Post #288 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:49 am

I would absolutely trade pick 4 for D'Angelo Russel.... call it a day and run Russell and Booker backcourt for the next decade.

But need a defensive oriented SF... so would do the following trade.
Bledsoe, Knight and Chandler
for
Jackson, Johnson and Drummond

You get;

C: Drummond / Bender
PF: Chriss / Bender / Dudley
SF: Johnson / Warren / Dudley
SG: Booker / Jackson
PG: Russell / Ulis / Jackson

Bender becomes the stretch do-it-all big man. The bench would be one of the better ones in the league... Reggie Jackson can play SG... the guy has 7'0 wingspan for a 6'3 guy, thats nuts.

sunwillrise0304 · Post #289 » by **sunwillrise0304** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 7:26 am

#4 for russell??

that's crazy and i wont even do bledsoe for russell

TOO · Post #290 » by **TOO** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 8:14 am

Jackson and Johnson are both garbage

thamadkant · Post #291 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 10:24 am

Lol

Typical, under rate other team's players and over rate ours.

Russell is as old as Booker and has shown star-qualities.

He's a proven "good" young players as opposed to whomever is picked at 4. But I do like Josh Jackson.

sunwillrise0304 · Post #292 » by **sunwillrise0304** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 10:41 am

1UPZ wrote:Lol

Typical, under rate other team's players and over rate ours.

Russell is as old as Booker and has shown star-qualities.

He's a proven "good" young players as opposed to whomever is picked at 4. But I do like Josh Jackson.

underrate?even lakers fans doubt the star potential of dlo...
dlo+booker backcourt sucks in terms of def and play making.

because they are friends so as to part them together, i rather use ulis as starter

sunwillrise0304 · Post #293 » by **sunwillrise0304** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 10:44 am

i consider make a run for mudiay instead due to the lower price than russell
#4 this year should get a much better player than russell

NTB · Post #294 » by **NTB** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 12:03 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711846-free-agency-rankings-top-available-centers

Alan Williams is 7th. We might have to pay him a lot.

Walt_Uoob · Post #295 » by **Walt_Uoob** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 12:32 pm

NTB wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711846-free-agency-rankings-top-available-centers

Alan Williams is 7th. We might have to pay him a lot.

Wow. Pretty shabby group though. Maybe that's part of why teams were so trigger-happy on bigs last year.

Luckily, the Nets can't offer max contracts to all these guys.

I'm really interested to see how spendy teams are this summer on this group. How many teams are going to be bidding on these guys? Seems like not too many.

DirtyDez · Post #296 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:01 pm

I would definitely do 4 for Russell. His flaws are similar to Booker but you're getting a proven player who would be under control thru his prime. He reminds me of Andre Miller with a 3-ball.

Bledsoe to Sac or Dal...

Russ, Ulis
Book, LB
TJ, Jones/Dudley
Chriss/Bender
Tyson, Collins (Williams)

Establish the core and worry about the defense later.

jcsunsfan · Post #297 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:38 pm

sunwillrise0304 wrote:#4 for russell??

that's crazy and i wont even do bledsoe for russell

Totally agree. That is overpay for Russell.

jcsunsfan · Post #298 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:39 pm

1UPZ wrote:Lol

Typical, under rate other team's players and over rate ours.

Russell is as old as Booker and has shown star-qualities.

He's a proven "good" young players as opposed to whomever is picked at 4. But I do like Josh Jackson.

I am sorry, Russell is not a proven pick yet. He has yet to show anything but flashes. He has, however, shown huge immaturity and alienated his teammates.

jcsunsfan · Post #299 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:41 pm

Walt_Uoob wrote:
NTB wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711846-free-agency-rankings-top-available-centers

Alan Williams is 7th. We might have to pay him a lot.

Wow. Pretty shabby group though. Maybe that's part of why teams were so trigger-happy on bigs last year.

Luckily, the Nets can't offer max contracts to all these guys.

I'm really interested to see how spendy teams are this summer on this group. How many teams are going to be bidding on these guys? Seems like not too many.

So, will Sauce get a bigger offer than Len?

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #300 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Jun 3, 2017 7:20 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Lol

Typical, under rate other team's players and over rate ours.

Russell is as old as Booker and has shown star-qualities.

He's a proven "good" young players as opposed to whomever is picked at 4. But I do like Josh Jackson.

I am sorry, Russell is not a proven pick yet. He has yet to show anything but flashes. He has, however, shown huge immaturity and alienated his teammates.

The stats for Russell v Booker are deceiving. I think you have to take volume into account - Booker has been a go-to player on this team, playing #1 option. So while their EFG% are similar, and D-Lo the better rebounder/thief, it's unclear if he's really elite in any respect. True go-to players are so rare, and so crucial. Kristaps hasn't shown he's one yet, which is why I put Booker over him. Booker is a flawed player, but he's "the man". If he gets up to average in various other categories, and if we can put other solid pieces around him, his talent is of a type that can catapult us into contention. Harden and Westbrook are similar in that they're elite, but flawed. Kawhi, Durant and Lebron are on a level above that - elite and NOT flawed. Curry stands alone atop a different pedestal - beyond elite, but still somewhat flawed. Nash was like that for a time.

... In any case, I don't think D-Lo is the right add for this team. We need defense at the 1. We may be better off running with Bled and Ulis at the 1. Ulis backed up by Fox also works for me. Or Bled and Ulis, with Ntilikina competing with Barbosa for the 4th/5th guard spot.

... Also, glad to see we have additional converts to the Church of Zach Collins. Chooo chooo!!!