Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Fencer reregistered]

If the Knicks trade Porzingis, they'll insist on a package that acknowledges their claim that he was a highly successful pick at #4. So if the Cs absolutely refuse to trade Brooklyn 17 for him (Fultz), the Knicks will -- I think -- absolutely insist on getting Brooklyn 16 (Brown) and Brooklyn 18. Then they'll want something they can spin as a third high-ish lottery pick in value -- Smart or Zizic -- plus one or more lesser assets.

[Fencer reregistered]

Some Love-to-Boston discussion in the general trade forum

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1571369&start=60#p55936850

[Andrew McCeltic]

If the Knicks trade Porzingis, they'll insist on a package that acknowledges their claim that he was a highly successful pick at #4. So if the Cs absolutely refuse to trade Brooklyn 17 for him (Fultz), the Knicks will -- I think -- absolutely insist on getting Brooklyn 16 (Brown) and Brooklyn 18. Then they'll want something they can spin as a third high-ish lottery pick in value -- Smart or Zizic -- plus one or more lesser assets.

I don't know. He was a highly successful pick. But he had a down year, he doesn't like the organization, and they may see him as a malcontent. I wouldn't rule out anything with that crew. Jackson talking openly about how Carmelo would be happier somewhere else was a disaster. He has coach's syndrome - he thinks he's smarter than raw talent, and that if he can just get the right mix of mediocre players who fit together, they can win. It worked for the Hawks for a couple of years, at least.

There are also a lot of things you can do to save face - give them a couple of non-BKN 1sts, Rozier, they can say up and coming young point guard, future picks, players who want to be there, happy for opportunity, cap flexibility, blah blah blah. You can't give BKN 18, Jaylen, Smart or Zizic, more for Porzingis. That's a superstar trade package, that's what you give for Anthony Davis.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

A Summer Trade for a Summer Trade Thread...

Bradley to Minnesota

Rubio & Crowder to NY

The Knicks No. 8 & O'Quinn to Boston.

Why for all?

Knicks acquire two players they've expressed a good deal of interest in.

Celtics free up Cap Space, acquire another pick in what seems to be a Deep Lottery (Me Likey Z. Collins
here or whomever unexpectedly drops: Tatum? Smith? Dare I say Ball, if the Lakers pass him by - that
would be a shock, maybe the Mad Monk) and a nice productive Backup Big.

Minnesota nabs an All NBA Defender in Bradley, much needed there.

[Banks2Pierce]

Some Love-to-Boston discussion in the general trade forum

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1571369&start=60#p55936850

It's interesting because Love is a great fit with Horford. Love hits 29 y/o before the start of next season so our 3 best players would be on the wrong side of the aging curve, though. The mechanics of a 3 teamer with Cleveland/NYK would be pretty decent as far as acquiring an All Star for only Bradley and something medium sized. Before the draft takes Hayward out of the equation. After July 3rd takes Zeller's contract out of it and you don't want to include Crowder for salary matching. Intriguing at least.

[Fencer reregistered]

If the Knicks trade Porzingis, they'll insist on a package that acknowledges their claim that he was a highly successful pick at #4. So if the Cs absolutely refuse to trade Brooklyn 17 for him (Fultz), the Knicks will -- I think -- absolutely insist on getting Brooklyn 16 (Brown) and Brooklyn 18. Then they'll want something they can spin as a third high-ish lottery pick in value -- Smart or Zizic -- plus one or more lesser assets.

I don't know. He was a highly successful pick. But he had a down year, he doesn't like the organization, and they may see him as a malcontent. I wouldn't rule out anything with that crew. Jackson talking openly about how Carmelo would be happier somewhere else was a disaster. He has coach's syndrome - he thinks he's smarter than raw talent, and that if he can just get the right mix of mediocre players who fit together, they can win. It worked for the Hawks for a couple of years, at least.

There are also a lot of things you can do to save face - give them a couple of non-BKN 1sts, Rozier, they can say up and coming young point guard, future picks, players who want to be there, happy for opportunity, cap flexibility, blah blah blah. You can't give BKN 18, Jaylen, Smart or Zizic, more for Porzingis. That's a superstar trade package, that's what you give for Anthony Davis.

I'm probably close to you in how I see the value, especially since trading Porzingis is a tank-now move that helps the Knicks do better with their own pick in the 2018 draft. I'm just stating my guess about how the negotiations go.

It so happens that Porzingis would fit a lot better mechanically with a max signing than a better-paid player would. So I'd like to see something work. Trading Jae instead of Jaylen (perhaps to be flipped to another team so the Knicks can get another young asset) could be another possibility. The eventual salary crunch on the roster would be even more ridiculous, however.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If the Knicks trade Porzingis, they'll insist on a package that acknowledges their claim that he was a highly successful pick at #4. So if the Cs absolutely refuse to trade Brooklyn 17 for him (Fultz), the Knicks will -- I think -- absolutely insist on getting Brooklyn 16 (Brown) and Brooklyn 18. Then they'll want something they can spin as a third high-ish lottery pick in value -- Smart or Zizic -- plus one or more lesser assets.

I don't know. He was a highly successful pick. But he had a down year, he doesn't like the organization, and they may see him as a malcontent. I wouldn't rule out anything with that crew. Jackson talking openly about how Carmelo would be happier somewhere else was a disaster. He has coach's syndrome - he thinks he's smarter than raw talent, and that if he can just get the right mix of mediocre players who fit together, they can win. It worked for the Hawks for a couple of years, at least.

There are also a lot of things you can do to save face - give them a couple of non-BKN 1sts, Rozier, they can say up and coming young point guard, future picks, players who want to be there, happy for opportunity, cap flexibility, blah blah blah. You can't give BKN 18, Jaylen, Smart or Zizic, more for Porzingis. That's a superstar trade package, that's what you give for Anthony Davis.

I'm probably close to you in how I see the value, especially since trading Porzingis is a tank-now move that helps the Knicks do better with their own pick in the 2018 draft. I'm just stating my guess about how the negotiations go.

It so happens that Porzingis would fit a lot better mechanically with a max signing than a better-paid player would. So I'd like to see something work. Trading Jae instead of Jaylen (perhaps to be flipped to another team so the Knicks can get another young asset) could be another possibility. The eventual salary crunch on the roster would be even more ridiculous, however.

It's just a bizarre situation. Porzingis should be nowhere near the trade market, they should've dealt Melo when they could get value. No idea what the Knicks will do - major lateral movement last summer with their free agent signings. They're not in cap hell, at least, but that could end quickly.

[Andrew McCeltic]

A Summer Trade for a Summer Trade Thread...

Bradley to Minnesota

Rubio & Crowder to NY

The Knicks No. 8 & O'Quinn to Boston.

Why for all?

Knicks acquire two players they've expressed a good deal of interest in.

Celtics free up Cap Space, acquire another pick in what seems to be a Deep Lottery (Me Likey Z. Collins
here or whomever unexpectedly drops: Tatum? Smith? Dare I say Ball, if the Lakers pass him by - that
would be a shock, maybe the Mad Monk) and a nice productive Backup Big.

Minnesota nabs an All NBA Defender in Bradley, much needed there.

Overpay for the 8.

[Andrew McCeltic]

You might be able to get Vucevic and the 6 for Bradley/Crowder.

[Banks2Pierce]

It's just a bizarre situation. Porzingis should be nowhere near the trade market

Is he actually on the trade market or are people 1+1'ing from Porzingis ditching end of season meetings? Seems to be the latter.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Some Love-to-Boston discussion in the general trade forum

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1571369&start=60#p55936850

It's interesting because Love is a great fit with Horford. Love hits 29 y/o before the start of next season so our 3 best players would be on the wrong side of the aging curve, though. The mechanics of a 3 teamer with Cleveland/NYK would be pretty decent as far as acquiring an All Star for only Bradley and something medium sized. Before the draft takes Hayward out of the equation. After July 3rd takes Zeller's contract out of it and you don't want to include Crowder for salary matching. Intriguing at least.

This was coming up around the deadline. Stunning that Cleveland fans would suggest it now. Major win for us. Love isn't on the wrong side of the aging curve at 29, he's in his prime. And we're keeping both BKN picks, Jaylen, Rozier, Smart, Zizic. What's Love's salary, now? How much cap do we have afterward?

IT/Rozier
Fultz/Smart
Jaylen/Nader
Love/Yabu
Horford/Zizic

It might be a lateral move in the short-term, but it's a long-term win. Rebounding fixed. Spacing perfect - Fultz and Jaylen would dominate as slashers. Interior defense weak but not awful. Underdog contender immediately - in one or two years, we can beat Golden State and Cleveland will be done.

[Andrew McCeltic]

It's just a bizarre situation. Porzingis should be nowhere near the trade market

Is he actually on the trade market or are people 1+1'ing from Porzingis ditching end of season meetings? Seems to be the latter.

I think he's near it, not on it. And if you're talking BKN 18 or 17, the Knicks unlock the jewelry case to let you get a closer look.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

You might be able to get Vucevic and the 6 for Bradley/Crowder.

You won't free up as much Cap Space with that deal, if any, let me check on Vucevic... yeah, you would save a few millions only,
factoring in the Salary Slot for the 6th pick too, but it's a greater return in talent for sure... if Vucevic can be productive
in Stevens system and if there's a chance to acquire someone who can have an impact at 6, then I say do it, otherwise,
the Knicks deal is solid and frees up much more Cap Space.

[Fencer reregistered]

Actually, there may be an "out" to what I'm saying about the Knicks saving face with Porzingis.

They can always claim -- perhaps with considerable partial truth -- that he really, really wanted out.

[Falstaff]

I don't think Porzingis really wanting out saves much face for the Knicks. Basically reinforces the narrative that they're a mess internally and that despite a prime market, players don't want to stay there.

[TexCeltic]

Two trade downs in the draft and one trade up in the draft:

1st trade:
Boston: 3rd pick, Saric, and 2018 Lakers 1st round, rights to Covington
Philadelphia: 1st pick, 37th pick, and KO rights
2nd trade:
Boston: Picks 5 and 10 from Sacramento and Ben McLemore
Sacramento: 3rd pick and Rozier
3rd trade:
Boston: 6th pick and Vucevic
Orlando: 10th pick, Zeller and Crowder

Boston drafts Jayson Tatum with the 5th pick and Jonathan Isaac with the 6th pick. Boston ends up with Lakers 2018 1st rounder, Tatum, Isaac, Saric, Vucevic, McLemore, Covington.
Sorry got bored before the game

[bucknersrevenge]

If the Knicks trade Porzingis, they'll insist on a package that acknowledges their claim that he was a highly successful pick at #4. So if the Cs absolutely refuse to trade Brooklyn 17 for him (Fultz), the Knicks will -- I think -- absolutely insist on getting Brooklyn 16 (Brown) and Brooklyn 18. Then they'll want something they can spin as a third high-ish lottery pick in value -- Smart or Zizic -- plus one or more lesser assets.

I don't know. He was a highly successful pick. But he had a down year, he doesn't like the organization, and they may see him as a malcontent. I wouldn't rule out anything with that crew. Jackson talking openly about how Carmelo would be happier somewhere else was a disaster. He has coach's syndrome - he thinks he's smarter than raw talent, and that if he can just get the right mix of mediocre players who fit together, they can win. It worked for the Hawks for a couple of years, at least.

There are also a lot of things you can do to save face - give them a couple of non-BKN 1sts, Rozier, they can say up and coming young point guard, future picks, players who want to be there, happy for opportunity, cap flexibility, blah blah blah. You can't give BKN 18, Jaylen, Smart or Zizic, more for Porzingis. That's a superstar trade package, that's what you give for Anthony Davis.

When I've brought up the topic in the past it's been with the idea of leaving KP in new York for one more season of turmoil. Let him get to realizing that NY is not gonna develop into a winner and when he waffles on resigning then we can offer the BKN 18 for him. Definitely no on this year's pick though.

[Fencer reregistered]

If the Knicks trade Porzingis, they'll insist on a package that acknowledges their claim that he was a highly successful pick at #4. So if the Cs absolutely refuse to trade Brooklyn 17 for him (Fultz), the Knicks will -- I think -- absolutely insist on getting Brooklyn 16 (Brown) and Brooklyn 18. Then they'll want something they can spin as a third high-ish lottery pick in value -- Smart or Zizic -- plus one or more lesser assets.

I don't know. He was a highly successful pick. But he had a down year, he doesn't like the organization, and they may see him as a malcontent. I wouldn't rule out anything with that crew. Jackson talking openly about how Carmelo would be happier somewhere else was a disaster. He has coach's syndrome - he thinks he's smarter than raw talent, and that if he can just get the right mix of mediocre players who fit together, they can win. It worked for the Hawks for a couple of years, at least.

There are also a lot of things you can do to save face - give them a couple of non-BKN 1sts, Rozier, they can say up and coming young point guard, future picks, players who want to be there, happy for opportunity, cap flexibility, blah blah blah. You can't give BKN 18, Jaylen, Smart or Zizic, more for Porzingis. That's a superstar trade package, that's what you give for Anthony Davis.

When I've brought up the topic in the past it's been with the idea of leaving KP in new York for one more season of turmoil. Let him get to realizing that NY is not gonna develop into a winner and when he waffles on resigning then we can offer the BKN 18 for him. Definitely no on this year's pick though.

Makes sense.

Unfortunately, they have their 2018 pick but not their 2019 one, so if they're going to tank, it should be decided right now.

[Froob]

I don't know. He was a highly successful pick. But he had a down year, he doesn't like the organization, and they may see him as a malcontent. I wouldn't rule out anything with that crew. Jackson talking openly about how Carmelo would be happier somewhere else was a disaster. He has coach's syndrome - he thinks he's smarter than raw talent, and that if he can just get the right mix of mediocre players who fit together, they can win. It worked for the Hawks for a couple of years, at least.

There are also a lot of things you can do to save face - give them a couple of non-BKN 1sts, Rozier, they can say up and coming young point guard, future picks, players who want to be there, happy for opportunity, cap flexibility, blah blah blah. You can't give BKN 18, Jaylen, Smart or Zizic, more for Porzingis. That's a superstar trade package, that's what you give for Anthony Davis.

When I've brought up the topic in the past it's been with the idea of leaving KP in new York for one more season of turmoil. Let him get to realizing that NY is not gonna develop into a winner and when he waffles on resigning then we can offer the BKN 18 for him. Definitely no on this year's pick though.

Makes sense.

Unfortunately, they have their 2018 pick but not their 2019 one, so if they're going to tank, it should be decided right now.

Sadly the Knicks are run by PJax and can't make that rational decision.

[jfs1000d]

Idea from finals thread, Bradley for Tristan Thompson. Cleveland can go after a cheaper rebounding option, they have Love and Lebron and could use Bradley to replace JR Smith.

Interesting idea IMO.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums