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[70sFan]

Does anyone have full games of 1977 Celtics vs Sixers series? I'd love to see Dr J against Hondo, two of the greatest wings in NBA history.

[70sFan]

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32 points and 6 assists on 78.9% TS

One of his best games in Pistons uniform. How can you guard him when he makes all long set shots with such ease? Also, he shows some passing ability. Truly special player who deserves more respect.

[Johnlac1]

Dantley got criticized for being a gunner and playing no defense, but he came within an eyelash of winning a title with the Pistons in '88. If Thomas doesn't sprain his ankle in game 6, the Pistons had a very good chance to win game seven. Even with Thomas severely hobbled, the Pistons only lost game seven by three points. Dantley led the Pistons in scoring for the series.
Would the Pistons have ditched him if they'd won the title in '88?

[Quotatious]

Dantley got criticized for being a gunner and playing no defense, but he came within an eyelash of winning a title with the Pistons in '88. If Thomas doesn't sprain his ankle in game 6, the Pistons had a very good chance to win game seven. Even with Thomas severely hobbled, the Pistons only lost game seven by three points. Dantley led the Pistons in scoring for the series.
Would the Pistons have ditched him if they'd won the title in '88?

Dantley was really the opposite of a "gunner", though. "Gunner" would be someone like Maravich or Iverson - players who scored a lot of points because they took a ton of shots, but shot a low percentage. Dantley was the opposite - he was extremely efficient as a scorer, he was in the top 8 in field goal percentage in four seasons, averaged at least 28 points per game in all those seasons. That kind of shooting percentage while scoring so many points (being the primary focus of opposing defenses) as a 6'4'' or 6'5'' small forward is incredible.

Dantley was criticized for being a "ball stopper", taking too much time to isolate against his defenders and freezing out his teammates, making his team's offense stagnant. I think there might be something to it, but at the same time, his teams in Utah weren't particularly well-constructed on offense.

[70sFan]

Dantley got criticized for being a gunner and playing no defense, but he came within an eyelash of winning a title with the Pistons in '88. If Thomas doesn't sprain his ankle in game 6, the Pistons had a very good chance to win game seven. Even with Thomas severely hobbled, the Pistons only lost game seven by three points. Dantley led the Pistons in scoring for the series.
Would the Pistons have ditched him if they'd won the title in '88?

Dantley was really the opposite of a "gunner", though. "Gunner" would be someone like Maravich or Iverson - players who scored a lot of points because they took a ton of shots, but shot a lot percentage. Dantley was the opposite - he was extremely efficient as a scorer, he was in the top 8 in field goal percentage in four seasons, averaged at least 28 points per game in all those seasons. That kind of shooting percentage as a 6'4'' or 6'5'' small forward is incredible.

Dantley was criticized for being a "ball stopper", taking too much time to isolate against his defenders and freezing out his teammates, making his team's offense stagnant. I think there might be something to it, but at the same time, his teams in Utah weren't particularly well-constructed on offense.

He didn't stop Pistons from being good offensive team. In fact I'd say that Dantley was more important for Pistons offense than Isiah Thomas. Pistons were run and gun team before his trade and he gave them another dimension. He was the reason Pistons were so tough to defend in halfcourt. With good shooters like Dumars and Lambeer his post game became more efficient. Also, keep in mind that he wasn't in his prime after 1987 anymore.

Not many players can make mid-80s Jazz team good on offense. He wasn't Magic Johnson, but he was damn good offensive weapon.

[Quotatious]

He didn't stop Pistons from being good offensive team. In fact I'd say that Dantley was more important for Pistons offense than Isiah Thomas. Pistons were run and gun team before his trade and he gave them another dimension. He was the reason Pistons were so tough to defend in halfcourt. With good shooters like Dumars and Lambeer his post game became more efficient. Also, keep in mind that he wasn't in his prime after 1987 anymore.

Not many players can make mid-80s Jazz team good on offense. He wasn't Magic Johnson, but he was damn good offensive weapon.

Overall I agree. If you remember my older posts about Dantley, I'm generally a supporter of his, really think that he was a phenomenal scorer and deserves more recognition than he actually gets. Making assumptions about a star player based on offensive rating of his team (or defensive rating, if we look at a team where their best player is a defensive specialist, like for example the Hawks with Dikembe Mutombo) may be misleading - for instance, Wade's Heat were just #19 and 20 in 2009 and 2010 on offense, but Wade was a top 3-5 offensive player in the league based on individual offensive stats, box-score as well as plus/minus (and anybody who watched him play knows what a force he was offensively), so the truth is that his supporting cast was very weak offensively. I think it could be similar with Dantley and the Jazz (obviously Dantley wasn't anywhere near Wade as a facilitator, but he was an even better scorer).

[Johnlac1]

Dantley got criticized for being a gunner and playing no defense, but he came within an eyelash of winning a title with the Pistons in '88. If Thomas doesn't sprain his ankle in game 6, the Pistons had a very good chance to win game seven. Even with Thomas severely hobbled, the Pistons only lost game seven by three points. Dantley led the Pistons in scoring for the series.
Would the Pistons have ditched him if they'd won the title in '88?

Dantley was really the opposite of a "gunner", though. "Gunner" would be someone like Maravich or Iverson - players who scored a lot of points because they took a ton of shots, but shot a lot percentage. Dantley was the opposite - he was extremely efficient as a scorer, he was in the top 8 in field goal percentage in four seasons, averaged at least 28 points per game in all those seasons. That kind of shooting percentage while scoring so many points (being the primary focus of opposing defenses) as a 6'4'' or 6'5'' small forward is incredible.

Dantley was criticized for being a "ball stopper", taking too much time to isolate against his defenders and freezing out his teammates, making his team's offense stagnant. I think there might be something to it, but at the same time, his teams in Utah weren't particularly well-constructed on offense.

There might not be much different from being a ball-stopper and being a champion.
The Bulls threw the ball to Jordan quite a bit and let him work one on one. They won six titles with that strategy.
I think if the Pistons had won the title in '88, Dantley wouldn't have come in for so much criticism as being a ball-stopper. I think the Jazz could have used a little more scoring in the late eighties that Dantley would have provided. They would have had two excellent one on one scorers instead of just one, Malone.

[Blackmill]

Does anyone have full games of 1977 Celtics vs Sixers series? I'd love to see Dr J against Hondo, two of the greatest wings in NBA history.

If you don't mind having the games in DVD form, you can find some on Ebay, like G7.

There's also sites dedicated to trading and selling NBA DVDs where you could probably get a better offer.

I can't confirm if the sellers on these alternate sites are legitimate though. But their lists shows hundreds of games not available on youtube.

[wojoaderge]

Not many players can make mid-80s Jazz team good on offense.

so the truth is that his supporting cast was very weak offensively.

For one thing, the mid-80s Jazz a very good offensive backcourt. Not sure what you guys are talking about.

[70sFan]

Not many players can make mid-80s Jazz team good on offense.

so the truth is that his supporting cast was very weak offensively.

For one thing, the mid-80s Jazz a very good offensive backcourt. Not sure what you guys are talking about.

Ricky Green was good playmaker and very quick player in transition. He wasn't much of a shooter though and not a scoring threat in halfcourt.

Darrell Griffith had all the tools to be a star - very good shooter (one of the best 3 point shooters of his era) and amazing athlete but he was a gunner. He wasn't efficient scorer and didn't create for others.

It's not the worst backcourt you can imagine but they aren't very good. They were good in transition which made Jazz dangerous team but in halfcourt they didn't help Dantley that much.

[wojoaderge]

Not many players can make mid-80s Jazz team good on offense.

so the truth is that his supporting cast was very weak offensively.

For one thing, the mid-80s Jazz a very good offensive backcourt. Not sure what you guys are talking about.

Ricky Green was good playmaker and very quick player in transition. He wasn't much of a shooter though and not a scoring threat in halfcourt.

Darrell Griffith had all the tools to be a star - very good shooter (one of the best 3 point shooters of his era) and amazing athlete but he was a gunner. He wasn't efficient scorer and didn't create for others.

It's not the worst backcourt you can imagine but they aren't very good. They were good in transition which made Jazz dangerous team but in halfcourt they didn't help Dantley that much.

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[wojoaderge]

I'm somewhat hesitant to post another video featuring Artis Gilmore highlights because I very much get the sense that he's being overrated on this board. He's made to out to be some kind of superstar, probably on account of his advanced stats and all that. He was really just an All-Star level center in the NBA and not a very big needle mover when it came to won-loss impact. The Pistol Pete of 70s NBA centers, if you will. I mean, for example, just about everyone rags on The Big E because of his lack of efficiency, but all he did was efficiently lead his team to the playoffs as their best player year after year. I kinda hate to say things like this about the A-Train because he's one of my all-time favorite 30 or 40 players, but I think it does him a disservice to overrate him.

Now, mini-rant over, here is another game from what is probably the NBA season I most enjoy, 1977-78. Here you have a classic center battle between Gilmore and Lanier featuring a ton of post moves. There is a prototypical 70s sequence wherein such all-time greats as Tate Armstrong, Al Skinner, and John "Crash" Mengelt launch and make contested mid-range jumpers. Eric Money, my No. 1 favorite PG of all time, gets a few decent highlights here. I focused on Gus Gerard when making this because he played and looked like maybe he was wired, but he probably wasn't. This is also the highest scoring game of Tate Armstrong's career.

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[70sFan]

I'm somewhat hesitant to post another video featuring Artis Gilmore highlights because I very much get the sense that he's being overrated on this board. He's made to out to be some kind of superstar, probably on account of his advanced stats and all that. He was really just an All-Star level center in the NBA and not a very big needle mover when it came to won-loss impact. The Pistol Pete of 70s NBA centers, if you will. I mean, for example, just about everyone rags on The Big E because of his lack of efficiency, but all he did was efficiently lead his team to the playoffs as their best player year after year. I kinda hate to say things like this about the A-Train because he's one of my all-time favorite 30 or 40 players, but I think it does him a disservice to overrate him.

Now, mini-rant over, here is another game from what is probably the NBA season I most enjoy, 1977-78. Here you have a classic center battle between Gilmore and Lanier featuring a ton of post moves. There is a prototypical 70s sequence wherein such all-time greats as Tate Armstrong, Al Skinner, and John "Crash" Mengelt launch and make contested mid-range jumpers. Eric Money, my No. 1 favorite PG of all time, gets a few decent highlights here. I focused on Gus Gerard when making this because he played and looked like maybe he was wired, but he probably wasn't. This is also the highest scoring game of Tate Armstrong's career.

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Man I love your channel so much! Thanks a lot, Gilmore and Lanier battle is something spectacular to watch. Both showed some skills in this footage. Actually, Bob Lanier may be one of the most underappreciated players ever. The only center with similar variety of moves is Hakeem and even against him he's not on lost side. He toyed with one of the strongest players in NBA history in the post, made some tough jumpers and that hook is just mastery. Gilmore also did some impressive things on offensive side of the floor. As I said many times, you can't stop him from getting his points.

I miss so much matchups like that. Big Bob was very physical player and their fights in the post are just fantastic to watch. Even more entertaining matchup than Kareem and Gilmore in my opinion.

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Proof that the NBA has footage from the 70's just laying around.

[wojoaderge]

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Proof that the NBA has footage from the 70's just laying around.

Those are some awesome highlights. Yeah, I agree that there's probably a ton of stuff. I predict that someday they'll put it all online and people like us won't have to go fishing around for it . .

[70sFan]

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Proof that the NBA has footage from the 70's just laying around.

They probably have full game and give us less than minute of 38 Alcindor points. Along with Frazier TD. That's not fair, many times they create longer videos for single Curry acion for example...

[ThaRegul8r]

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Proof that the NBA has footage from the 70's just laying around.

Those are some awesome highlights. Yeah, I agree that there's probably a ton of stuff. I predict that someday they'll put it all online and people like us won't have to go fishing around for it . .

They probably have full game and give us less than minute of 38 Alcindor points. Along with Frazier TD. That's not fair, many times they create longer videos for single Curry acion for example...

Curry's playing now. And is one of the players the NBA is marketing now.

The NBA is a business. Their current players are the ones making them money, not past players. Whenever people talk about the NBA releasing footage, they're not looking at it from a business aspect. What market is there for it? How much could it make them?

The average NBA fan couldn't care less about basketball before they started watching. Just look online, and you'll see current fans mock any video footage of past players, laughing about how inferior it is to modern basketball. They don't know much if anything about NBA history, which is the entire reason I started posting on internet basketball forums. So how would releasing more footage make money for the NBA with these people? The number of people interested in the past is a minority. RealGM posters who are don't represent the larger basketball watching community. I can't emphasize that enough. And it doesn't benefit the NBA to market past players over players people are paying money to see play now, whose jerseys they''re buying now, whose shoes they're buying now, who they're voting for on All-Star ballots now, etc.

[Goudelock]

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Proof that the NBA has footage from the 70's just laying around.

Those are some awesome highlights. Yeah, I agree that there's probably a ton of stuff. I predict that someday they'll put it all online and people like us won't have to go fishing around for it . .

They probably have full game and give us less than minute of 38 Alcindor points. Along with Frazier TD. That's not fair, many times they create longer videos for single Curry acion for example...

Curry's playing now. And is one of the players the NBA is marketing now.

The NBA is a business. Their current players are the ones making them money, not past players. Whenever people talk about the NBA releasing footage, they're not looking at it from a business aspect. What market is there for it? How much could it make them?

The average NBA fan couldn't care less about basketball before they started watching. Just look online, and you'll see current fans mock any video footage of past players, laughing about how inferior it is to modern basketball. They don't know much if anything about NBA history, which is the entire reason I started posting on internet basketball forums. So how would releasing more footage make money for the NBA with these people? The number of people interested in the past is a minority. RealGM posters who are don't represent the larger basketball watching community. I can't emphasize that enough. And it doesn't benefit the NBA to market past players over players people are paying money to see play now, whose jerseys they''re buying now, whose shoes they're buying now, who they're voting for on All-Star ballots now, etc.

On the flipside though, you can go on any youtube video showcasing footage or players from before 2005 (an arbitrary cutoff point, I know) and you'll see mountains of comments mocking current players for being "soft" and how the basketball shown in those videos is "real basketball". So I do believe that there is a market for older video footage when it comes to nostalgic fans.

[Goudelock]

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Seriously guys, this twitter account is amazing.

[wojoaderge]

Whenever people talk about the NBA releasing footage, they're not looking at it from a business aspect. What market is there for it? How much could it make them?

As long as it's cost effective, why not?