Draft Discussion Part 3

[JMac1]

The 76ers would be foolish to pass on Monk which means they probably will. No matter who goes 1 & 2 I think he's the best fit with their current roster.

I totally agree with this. I think Monk is underrated for the same reason Booker was. His talents were hidden on that Kentucky roster especially with Fox controlling the ball.

I don't think his talents were hidden as he played a ton and had a ton of big scoring games. Booker's talents were hidden considering he and Ulis were bench players with the Harrison twins starting. He still did well enough to go lottery. I think Monk is pegged about right in draft rankings, and I'm not a fan of him for the Suns, but for the Sixers he makes a ton of sense given all their bigs and already having a point forward and two other forwards that can play the 3 or 4. However they lack shooting and need guards at both spots and having a point forward who can't shoot, they could definitely use a guy that could guard 1s who can flat out score but doesn't need to be a primary ballhandler. Rarely is their an ideal scenario for an undersized shooting guard that isn't a passer, who should ideally play the 1 due to size, but can't. In this case they really just need two shooting guards at 1 and 2.

That one analysis that was posted here a while back REALLY made him look good.

Like someone said already, the league is positionless. As long as he is guarding PG (guys his size, with probably less athleticism) who cares where he is on offense. Again, that's with Book intiating the offense. I don't like him as a PG though.....of course. Just playing off Booker. Fox takes the ball out of Booker's hand kinda like Bledsoe and Knight.

[nevetsov]

Lakers are in an interesting spot - at #2, the BPA choices are largely PG and SFs... The two positions they have already used recent top 3 picks on (Russell, Ingram).

They would have to be considering trading down. If Sac are in love with a PG prospect, they might consider #5 + #10 for #2.

Kings get their pick of Ball, Fox, DSJ.

Lakers can nab 2 BPAs at positions of need instead of 1 (Isaac, Collins?).

[nevetsov]

As for us, I think we either:

Take a SF and call it a day, or

Take a PG and flip Bled and Warren for Butler.

[JMac1]

Side note....all of this defense talk is garbage. Defense in the NBA is reputation....see Klay and Curry. Once you are allowed to grab, hold, push, and flop.....then your defense improves. If Monk can't be a better defender than Curry, then we have serious problems.

[bwgood77]

I totally agree with this. I think Monk is underrated for the same reason Booker was. His talents were hidden on that Kentucky roster especially with Fox controlling the ball.

I don't think his talents were hidden as he played a ton and had a ton of big scoring games. Booker's talents were hidden considering he and Ulis were bench players with the Harrison twins starting. He still did well enough to go lottery. I think Monk is pegged about right in draft rankings, and I'm not a fan of him for the Suns, but for the Sixers he makes a ton of sense given all their bigs and already having a point forward and two other forwards that can play the 3 or 4. However they lack shooting and need guards at both spots and having a point forward who can't shoot, they could definitely use a guy that could guard 1s who can flat out score but doesn't need to be a primary ballhandler. Rarely is their an ideal scenario for an undersized shooting guard that isn't a passer, who should ideally play the 1 due to size, but can't. In this case they really just need two shooting guards at 1 and 2.

That one analysis that was posted here a while back REALLY made him look good.

Like someone said already, the league is potionless. As long as he is guarding PG (guys his size, with probably less athleticism) who cares where he is on offense. Again, that's with Book intiating the offense. I don't like him as a PG though.....of course. Just playing off Booker. Fox takes the ball out of Booker's hand kinda like Bledsoe and Knight.

I'm not sure how many potions are used in the league. j/k

Yep, agree about it being positionless. Though when you have a short shooter who isn't a PG, and you need a PG who distributes, then you have issues. Ideally I don't want a high usage shooter playing with Booker, or an undersized shooter playing next to Ulis, or Bledsoe for that matter.

I'll be shocked if we take Monk though, so imagining him on the Suns is probably pointless.

I'm pretty sure it will likely be Tatum or Fox unless or Jackson if he is there. And if Ball slips there is a very good chance it's him. I think the only other guy who might have a a reasonably good chance is Isaac, provided we keep the 4th pick and don't trade down.

[JMac1]

I don't think his talents were hidden as he played a ton and had a ton of big scoring games. Booker's talents were hidden considering he and Ulis were bench players with the Harrison twins starting. He still did well enough to go lottery. I think Monk is pegged about right in draft rankings, and I'm not a fan of him for the Suns, but for the Sixers he makes a ton of sense given all their bigs and already having a point forward and two other forwards that can play the 3 or 4. However they lack shooting and need guards at both spots and having a point forward who can't shoot, they could definitely use a guy that could guard 1s who can flat out score but doesn't need to be a primary ballhandler. Rarely is their an ideal scenario for an undersized shooting guard that isn't a passer, who should ideally play the 1 due to size, but can't. In this case they really just need two shooting guards at 1 and 2.

That one analysis that was posted here a while back REALLY made him look good.

Like someone said already, the league is potionless. As long as he is guarding PG (guys his size, with probably less athleticism) who cares where he is on offense. Again, that's with Book intiating the offense. I don't like him as a PG though.....of course. Just playing off Booker. Fox takes the ball out of Booker's hand kinda like Bledsoe and Knight.

I'm not sure how many potions are used in the league. j/k

Yep, agree about it being positionless. Though when you have a short shooter who isn't a PG, and you need a PG who distributes, then you have issues. Ideally I don't want a high usage shooter playing with Booker, or an undersized shooter playing next to Ulis, or Bledsoe for that matter.

I'll be shocked if we take Monk though, so imagining him on the Suns is probably pointless.

I'm pretty sure it will likely be Tatum or Fox unless or Jackson if he is there. And if Ball slips there is a very good chance it's him. I think the only other guy who might have a a reasonably good chance is Isaac, provided we keep the 4th pick and don't trade down.

I agree with this, however, I am thinking about the Booker that played against Miami his rookie season. I love that style of play and he would need a shooter to compliment him. You can always bring Ulis off of the bench to facilitate when needed. I get Jackson and Tatum, however, I'm nervous about Fox turning Booker into a stand and shoot guy....we don't need that, plus Monk defense could be just as good or better than Fox.

In short I think I'm preferring Monk over Fox. But, I'd roll the dice on Jackson first.

1. Jackson
2. Monk

I guess the one Philly doesn't choose.

3. Tatum

[bwgood77]

Like someone said already, the league is potionless. As long as he is guarding PG (guys his size, with probably less athleticism) who cares where he is on offense. Again, that's with Book intiating the offense. I don't like him as a PG though.....of course. Just playing off Booker. Fox takes the ball out of Booker's hand kinda like Bledsoe and Knight.

I'm not sure how many potions are used in the league. j/k

Yep, agree about it being positionless. Though when you have a short shooter who isn't a PG, and you need a PG who distributes, then you have issues. Ideally I don't want a high usage shooter playing with Booker, or an undersized shooter playing next to Ulis, or Bledsoe for that matter.

I'll be shocked if we take Monk though, so imagining him on the Suns is probably pointless.

I'm pretty sure it will likely be Tatum or Fox unless or Jackson if he is there. And if Ball slips there is a very good chance it's him. I think the only other guy who might have a a reasonably good chance is Isaac, provided we keep the 4th pick and don't trade down.

I agree with this, however, I am thinking about the Booker that played against Miami his rookie season. I love that style of play and he would need a shooter to compliment him. You can always bring Ulis off of the bench to facilitate when needed. I get Jackson and Tatum, however, I'm nervous about Fox turning Booker into a stand and shoot guy....we don't need that, plus Monk defense could be just as good or better than Fox.

In short I think I'm preferring Monk over Fox. But, I'd roll the dice on Jackson first.

1. Jackson
2. Monk

I guess the one Philly doesn't choose.

3. Tatum

Jackson is BY FAR the best fit here except for probably Fultz, though it is arguable Jackson is a better fit. But Fultz and Booker back court would be insane.

But Fultz won't be there, so after that, if Jackson isn't there, at this point in time, I might go Isaac..but it would be one of Isaac or Tatum.

If we were trading Bledsoe, I'd go with DS Jr or Fox. DS Gr is so much more explosive and skilled then Fox, but wasn't always engaged...largely probably in part to the state of his team.

I think Smith Jr is the most underrated on boards though. He is the only guy who could be a Westbrook triple double type guy if he stays healthy and is committed. Fultz could get triple doubles as well, but he won't be there.

[TOO]

I'm not sure how many potions are used in the league. j/k

Yep, agree about it being positionless. Though when you have a short shooter who isn't a PG, and you need a PG who distributes, then you have issues. Ideally I don't want a high usage shooter playing with Booker, or an undersized shooter playing next to Ulis, or Bledsoe for that matter.

I'll be shocked if we take Monk though, so imagining him on the Suns is probably pointless.

I'm pretty sure it will likely be Tatum or Fox unless or Jackson if he is there. And if Ball slips there is a very good chance it's him. I think the only other guy who might have a a reasonably good chance is Isaac, provided we keep the 4th pick and don't trade down.

I agree with this, however, I am thinking about the Booker that played against Miami his rookie season. I love that style of play and he would need a shooter to compliment him. You can always bring Ulis off of the bench to facilitate when needed. I get Jackson and Tatum, however, I'm nervous about Fox turning Booker into a stand and shoot guy....we don't need that, plus Monk defense could be just as good or better than Fox.

In short I think I'm preferring Monk over Fox. But, I'd roll the dice on Jackson first.

1. Jackson
2. Monk

I guess the one Philly doesn't choose.

3. Tatum

Jackson is BY FAR the best fit here except for probably Fultz, though it is arguable Jackson is a better fit. But Fultz and Booker back court would be insane.

But Fultz won't be there, so after that, if Jackson isn't there, at this point in time, I might go Isaac..but it would be one of Isaac or Tatum.

If we were trading Bledsoe, I'd go with DS Jr or Fox. DS Gr is so much more explosive and skilled then Fox, but wasn't always engaged...largely probably in part to the state of his team.

I think Smith Jr is the most underrated on boards though. He is the only guy who could be a Westbrook triple double type guy if he stays healthy and is committed. Fultz could get triple doubles as well, but he won't be there.

I do not see Smith nor Fultz as Westrbrook type triple double guys. Smith is much more similar to Bledsoe/Francis, and Fultz is a good athlete, but he's not a freak. The chances of seeing another Westbrook athlete that can harness it and use it to its full advantage is very very slim.

[ATTL]

Is everyone mostly over not getting the 2nd or 3rd pick? My anger has subsided.

[TOO]

Is everyone mostly over not getting the 2nd or 3rd pick? My anger has subsided.

I was of the if we dont get 1st, then anyone 2-5 or so is pretty much in the same boat so I'm good with it camp.

[carey]

I'm pretty sure it will likely be Tatum or Fox unless or Jackson if he is there. And if Ball slips there is a very good chance it's him. I think the only other guy who might have a a reasonably good chance is Isaac, provided we keep the 4th pick and don't trade down.

So you're going out on a limb and saying we'll draft one of the guys currently ranked either #2, #3, #4, #5 or #6 on most mock drafts? Careful out there, wouldn't want you to fall.

[JMac1]

I'm not sure how many potions are used in the league. j/k

Yep, agree about it being positionless. Though when you have a short shooter who isn't a PG, and you need a PG who distributes, then you have issues. Ideally I don't want a high usage shooter playing with Booker, or an undersized shooter playing next to Ulis, or Bledsoe for that matter.

I'll be shocked if we take Monk though, so imagining him on the Suns is probably pointless.

I'm pretty sure it will likely be Tatum or Fox unless or Jackson if he is there. And if Ball slips there is a very good chance it's him. I think the only other guy who might have a a reasonably good chance is Isaac, provided we keep the 4th pick and don't trade down.

I agree with this, however, I am thinking about the Booker that played against Miami his rookie season. I love that style of play and he would need a shooter to compliment him. You can always bring Ulis off of the bench to facilitate when needed. I get Jackson and Tatum, however, I'm nervous about Fox turning Booker into a stand and shoot guy....we don't need that, plus Monk defense could be just as good or better than Fox.

In short I think I'm preferring Monk over Fox. But, I'd roll the dice on Jackson first.

1. Jackson
2. Monk

I guess the one Philly doesn't choose.

3. Tatum

Jackson is BY FAR the best fit here except for probably Fultz, though it is arguable Jackson is a better fit. But Fultz and Booker back court would be insane.

But Fultz won't be there, so after that, if Jackson isn't there, at this point in time, I might go Isaac..but it would be one of Isaac or Tatum.

If we were trading Bledsoe, I'd go with DS Jr or Fox. DS Gr is so much more explosive and skilled then Fox, but wasn't always engaged...largely probably in part to the state of his team.

I think Smith Jr is the most underrated on boards though. He is the only guy who could be a Westbrook triple double type guy if he stays healthy and is committed. Fultz could get triple doubles as well, but he won't be there.

I think some team will envision him making open threes and draft him before us. Ball is going LA, I don't care what these clowns say.

Philly might just pick Monk.....if they don't, they are dumb!!!

[TOO]

I agree with this, however, I am thinking about the Booker that played against Miami his rookie season. I love that style of play and he would need a shooter to compliment him. You can always bring Ulis off of the bench to facilitate when needed. I get Jackson and Tatum, however, I'm nervous about Fox turning Booker into a stand and shoot guy....we don't need that, plus Monk defense could be just as good or better than Fox.

In short I think I'm preferring Monk over Fox. But, I'd roll the dice on Jackson first.

1. Jackson
2. Monk

I guess the one Philly doesn't choose.

3. Tatum

Jackson is BY FAR the best fit here except for probably Fultz, though it is arguable Jackson is a better fit. But Fultz and Booker back court would be insane.

But Fultz won't be there, so after that, if Jackson isn't there, at this point in time, I might go Isaac..but it would be one of Isaac or Tatum.

If we were trading Bledsoe, I'd go with DS Jr or Fox. DS Gr is so much more explosive and skilled then Fox, but wasn't always engaged...largely probably in part to the state of his team.

I think Smith Jr is the most underrated on boards though. He is the only guy who could be a Westbrook triple double type guy if he stays healthy and is committed. Fultz could get triple doubles as well, but he won't be there.

I think some team will envision him making open threes and draft him before us. Ball is going LA, I don't care what these clowns say.

Philly might just pick Monk.....if they don't, they are dumb!!!

Colangelo... Just sayin...

[Villalobos]

Is everyone mostly over not getting the 2nd or 3rd pick? My anger has subsided.

I figured it would happen so I didn't get that angry about it. The thing that really annoyed me was the Lakers getting the #2 pick for the third year in a row.

They should weigh the lottery so that it's extremely unlikely to win a top 3 pick two years in a row, let alone three years. You get a top 3 pick and then that's it for a while. Other teams get a shot.

[bwgood77]

I agree with this, however, I am thinking about the Booker that played against Miami his rookie season. I love that style of play and he would need a shooter to compliment him. You can always bring Ulis off of the bench to facilitate when needed. I get Jackson and Tatum, however, I'm nervous about Fox turning Booker into a stand and shoot guy....we don't need that, plus Monk defense could be just as good or better than Fox.

In short I think I'm preferring Monk over Fox. But, I'd roll the dice on Jackson first.

1. Jackson
2. Monk

I guess the one Philly doesn't choose.

3. Tatum

Jackson is BY FAR the best fit here except for probably Fultz, though it is arguable Jackson is a better fit. But Fultz and Booker back court would be insane.

But Fultz won't be there, so after that, if Jackson isn't there, at this point in time, I might go Isaac..but it would be one of Isaac or Tatum.

If we were trading Bledsoe, I'd go with DS Jr or Fox. DS Gr is so much more explosive and skilled then Fox, but wasn't always engaged...largely probably in part to the state of his team.

I think Smith Jr is the most underrated on boards though. He is the only guy who could be a Westbrook triple double type guy if he stays healthy and is committed. Fultz could get triple doubles as well, but he won't be there.

I do not see Smith nor Fultz as Westrbrook type triple double guys. Smith is much more similar to Bledsoe/Francis, and Fultz is a good athlete, but he's not a freak. The chances of seeing another Westbrook athlete that can harness it and use it to its full advantage is very very slim.

I agree. I think he is much more likely to be like Francis. I didn't mention Fultz initially because he isn't a freak...but since I was mentioning triple doubles, I added him in just to acknowledge that I could see him getting some...but I don't think he's like Westbrook at all.

But I think Smith is the guy in this draft that could be closest to that type of guy that is explosive and can get triple doubles. I said "could" but I don't think he is quite the athlete Westbrook was, but I don't know all the details of how good/athletic each were at the same specific age either.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Fox is the sexy pick (highest upside outside of Fultz) but his shooting arm technique is a worry.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Jackson is BY FAR the best fit here except for probably Fultz, though it is arguable Jackson is a better fit. But Fultz and Booker back court would be insane.

But Fultz won't be there, so after that, if Jackson isn't there, at this point in time, I might go Isaac..but it would be one of Isaac or Tatum.

If we were trading Bledsoe, I'd go with DS Jr or Fox. DS Gr is so much more explosive and skilled then Fox, but wasn't always engaged...largely probably in part to the state of his team.

I think Smith Jr is the most underrated on boards though. He is the only guy who could be a Westbrook triple double type guy if he stays healthy and is committed. Fultz could get triple doubles as well, but he won't be there.

I do not see Smith nor Fultz as Westrbrook type triple double guys. Smith is much more similar to Bledsoe/Francis, and Fultz is a good athlete, but he's not a freak. The chances of seeing another Westbrook athlete that can harness it and use it to its full advantage is very very slim.

I agree. I think he is much more likely to be like Francis. I didn't mention Fultz initially because he isn't a freak...but since I was mentioning triple doubles, I added him in just to acknowledge that I could see him getting some...but I don't think he's like Westbrook at all.

But I think Smith is the guy in this draft that could be closest to that type of guy that is explosive and can get triple doubles. I said "could" but I don't think he is quite the athlete Westbrook was, but I don't know all the details of how good/athletic each were at the same specific age either.

Most of the game is between the ears. Greatness requires consistency, tenacity, dedication. I don't like what I hear or see from DSJ. I don't consider him an option.

[bwgood77]

Most of the game is between the ears. Greatness requires consistency, tenacity, dedication. I don't like what I hear or see from DSJ. I don't consider him an option.

I don't think he will be an option at 4 either, but I think much of what you read about him has to do with the poor team he played on, not good coaching and then his coach being fired. Plus he was coming off acl injury.

He was on probably the worst situations to display skill and get assists etc, given he was surrounded by bad shooters and a team that clogged the paint, making it tougher to get to the rim, though he did anyway, drawing tons of fouls.

I agree he is a question mark, so it would require a great interview and workout to make him an option. I'm sure he would have a good workout, but the interview is probably more important.

[thamadkant]

Side note....all of this defense talk is garbage. Defense in the NBA is reputation....see Klay and Curry. Once you are allowed to grab, hold, push, and flop.....then your defense improves. If Monk can't be a better defender than Curry, then we have serious problems.

Lol

Tell that to Kawhi, Green and even Durant... all 3 very good to elite defenders in the NBA... clear game changers in the playoffs and in the finals.

[thamadkant]

Not sold on Fox...

He will struggle to get that 3pt shot in the NBA, maybe as a spot up 3pter with time... ala Bledsoe level 3pter... and teams will give him that shot more than open lanes.


Monk could be a stud player in the mold of Gordon or even McCollum, 17ppg as a rookie and maybe 20ppg as early as next season given he gets minutes.

Jackson, Isaac and Smith intrigues me the most...