Draft Discussion Part 3

[Revived]

I'm starting to favor Monk if the big three (Fullertz, Ball and Jackson) aren't there.. his explosiveness is amazing and he would thrive with Booker. He can even be a 6th man coming off the bench the first year

Feel me!

Man. Monk reminds me of a young Brandon Knight. And it scares the hell out of me.

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I think Monk is like a prime Monta Ellis that can shoot.

[Ghost of Kleine]

This would make me cry, that is, if Ball was passed up by the Lakers. I don't want McD to even have an inkling of a thought about drafting Ball. If Ball is there at 4, that likely means McD's target is not, so I hope at that point, there s a team in the next 3 that want to trade up, because I agree with the overall sentiment that after the top 7 or so talent, there is a drop-off to a group of about 10 that are all of similar value, and I'd hate to take a guy at 8 that we likely could've had at 15, if that makes sense.

Oh, and this is coming from a guy that has just briefly reviewed this draft this year, so I could EASILY be wrong about a few things, but I am fairly confident I do not want Ball and his drama on this team; dude is tailor-made for LA.

The good news is that "IF" somehow the Lakers DO pass on ball at #2, Then I just don't see any reasonable way that the 76ers' don't take him(ball) at #3. They have been enamored with the idea of getting a premiere point guard for so long now, That this scenario would then allow them to use their(cap) money on a shooter ( J.J. Reddick?) instead of on Lowry? Which also works out great for us in that, we end up now having Josh Jackson fall into our laps at #4.

I don't see why they would take Ball. Firstly, they have talked for a year about Simmons running point. So they don't really need a ball handler at either guard spot as much as a shooter. And while Ball shot well, that's not his primary strength so it still feels like they should take Monk....or even just a PG with a better inside scoring game like Fox. Smith might be their best fit...if they want a another ball handler who can also shoot.

Yes, They most likely have talked about having Simmons run the point for a year now. However, I might tend to believe that is due more to the fact that they probably didn't have any better options at the time.


And now, IF given the opportunity to utilize him more in a point forward capacity( Lamar Odom type) whilst still being able to acquire a high potential "passing guard" in ball, who can most likely better setup their plethora of bigs in ( Embiid , Okafor ) etc. and still be productive shooting the three pointer as the defense drops in on them(Embiid, Okafor) given (balls' decent three point shooting ability), I just can't see them passing on ball at #3, IF the Lakers DO pass on him at #2. I just don't think their rumored interest in a point guard such as (Lowry)is merely a coincidence.

And I Do agree that monk Is by far the ideal choice for them as well, But I just see them taking Ball(IF there at #3) And going after Reddick in free agency as their target for 2 guard.The one thing we know for sure, Is that it is going to truly be a bizzare and crazy draft with many somewhat unconventional trades taking place.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Feel me!

Man. Monk reminds me of a young Brandon Knight. And it scares the hell out of me.

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I think Monk is like a prime Monta Ellis that can shoot.

Best Comp.

[sunsbum]

At this point I'm just like.....UGH, erase my my memory of all DX videos, draft someone and let me be fanboi

[Qwigglez]

Not a fair comparison to make, but watching videos of Tatum reminds me of a young Kevin Durant.

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Oh, and I realize now we are holding onto Watson because he will convince Durant that he should join the Suns this offseason.

[Saberestar]

At this point I'm just like.....UGH, erase my my memory of all DX videos, draft someone and let me be fanboi

[Saberestar]

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[JMac1]

Lol

Tell that to Kawhi, Green and even Durant... all 3 very good to elite defenders in the NBA... clear game changers in the playoffs and in the finals.

You can lol all you want, if you don't think reputation plays into what you can and cannot do and who can and cannot do it......I lol!!!

I will lol ALL I Want... because I can and you sound ridiculous.

Of course refs make calls based on reputation. Many players won't get the same calls like Harden does when he attempts a drive in traffic. But to shrug defense as if its just reputation is BULL CRAP. Go watch another team with good defenders and watch the Suns, the defensive intensity, strategy and IQ not to mention skills arent there.

I know I watched a lot of games were defensive aggression was dictated by the refs. Get aggressive and get a foul called and others get aggressive and get a steal. Keep that aggression and get fouled out. Ref dictated that as well......smh.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

While the dream scenario is to pick up whomever of Jackson/Fox/Monk/Ntilikina is not a bust AND Zach Collins, the player I really want is Collins. No need to get clever. Pick Zach.

[carey]

Not a fair comparison to make, but watching videos of Tatum reminds me of a young Kevin Durant.

Definitely not a fair comparison. What sets Durant apart from everyone is how incredibly tall and long he is. I worry about Tatum's quickness a bit. His first step is rather average. He also finishes a lot of contested shots, and I can't help but wonder if that will continue at the next level where defenders are that much better. I'm sure he will improve as well though. It's a pick I wouldn't be upset with. I think Jackson and Isaac are the biggest risks of those projected in the top 6.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Not a fair comparison to make, but watching videos of Tatum reminds me of a young Kevin Durant.

Definitely not a fair comparison. What sets Durant apart from everyone is how incredibly tall and long he is. I worry about Tatum's quickness a bit. His first step is rather average. He also finishes a lot of contested shots, and I can't help but wonder if that will continue at the next level where defenders are that much better. I'm sure he will improve as well though. It's a pick I wouldn't be upset with. I think Jackson and Isaac are the biggest risks of those projected in the top 6.

Great minds. I've found myself agreeing with you rather consistently in the lead-up to the draft. Cheers.

[bwgood77]

Not sold on Fox...

He will struggle to get that 3pt shot in the NBA, maybe as a spot up 3pter with time... ala Bledsoe level 3pter... and teams will give him that shot more than open lanes.


Monk could be a stud player in the mold of Gordon or even McCollum, 17ppg as a rookie and maybe 20ppg as early as next season given he gets minutes.

Jackson, Isaac and Smith intrigues me the most...

Fox's very mediocre vision scares me more than his jumper. He's not a good passer at all vs good defenses.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of point guards who can't shoot or pass.

[bwgood77]

Not sold on Fox...

He will struggle to get that 3pt shot in the NBA, maybe as a spot up 3pter with time... ala Bledsoe level 3pter... and teams will give him that shot more than open lanes.


Monk could be a stud player in the mold of Gordon or even McCollum, 17ppg as a rookie and maybe 20ppg as early as next season given he gets minutes.

Jackson, Isaac and Smith intrigues me the most...

Fox's very mediocre vision scares me more than his jumper. He's not a good passer at all vs good defenses.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of point guards who can't shoot or pass.

[bwgood77]

The good news is that "IF" somehow the Lakers DO pass on ball at #2, Then I just don't see any reasonable way that the 76ers' don't take him(ball) at #3. They have been enamored with the idea of getting a premiere point guard for so long now, That this scenario would then allow them to use their(cap) money on a shooter ( J.J. Reddick?) instead of on Lowry? Which also works out great for us in that, we end up now having Josh Jackson fall into our laps at #4.

I don't see why they would take Ball. Firstly, they have talked for a year about Simmons running point. So they don't really need a ball handler at either guard spot as much as a shooter. And while Ball shot well, that's not his primary strength so it still feels like they should take Monk....or even just a PG with a better inside scoring game like Fox. Smith might be their best fit...if they want a another ball handler who can also shoot.

Yes, They most likely have talked about having Simmons run the point for a year now. However, I might tend to believe that is due more to the fact that they probably didn't have any better options at the time.


And now, IF given the opportunity to utilize him more in a point forward capacity( Lamar Odom type) whilst still being able to acquire a high potential "passing guard" in ball, who can most likely better setup their plethora of bigs in ( Embiid , Okafor ) etc. and still be productive shooting the three pointer as the defense drops in on them(Embiid, Okafor) given (balls' decent three point shooting ability), I just can't see them passing on ball at #3, IF the Lakers DO pass on him at #2. I just don't think their rumored interest in a point guard such as (Lowry)is merely a coincidence.

And I Do agree that monk Is by far the ideal choice for them as well, But I just see them taking Ball(IF there at #3) And going after Reddick in free agency as their target for 2 guard.The one thing we know for sure, Is that it is going to truly be a bizzare and crazy draft with many somewhat unconventional trades taking place.

I still don't see it. Simmons, if not playing point forward, drastically reduces his impact, given he isn't a great scorer. You want a scorer at each guard spot and preferably one who can shoot and score in all kinds of ways...Monk, Smith, etc. In addition to that, if you were a Suns fan when Colangelo ran the team you would know he shied away from players with baggage (even traded Kidd in his prime because of domestic dispute, which could steer him away from Jackson as well).

[WeekapaugGroove]

Man. Monk reminds me of a young Brandon Knight. And it scares the hell out of me.

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I think Monk is like a prime Monta Ellis that can shoot.

Best Comp.

Well if Monta could shoot like Monk he would have been a multiple all star so that's a pretty lofty comp. I'm not sure Monk has the driving ability Monta had though. I do think they have the same mindset as gunners. I heard a funny quote about Monk saying he's the kind of guy who you could ask the score of the game and he'd say 'I have no idea but I have 25 points'.

[carey]

I still don't see it. Simmons, if not playing point forward, drastically reduces his impact, given he isn't a great scorer. You want a scorer at each guard spot and preferably one who can shoot and score in all kinds of ways...Monk, Smith, etc. In addition to that, if you were a Suns fan when Colangelo ran the team you would know he shied away from players with baggage (even traded Kidd in his prime because of domestic dispute, which could steer him away from Jackson as well).

Philadelphia is a different place entirely than Phoenix, Arizona. Plus he's working for a different owner. We can't say for certain the same values and views are shared by the 76ers. Maybe you're looking for a reason that Jackson will drop but I don't know that we can for sure point to this as one.

[bwgood77]

I still don't see it. Simmons, if not playing point forward, drastically reduces his impact, given he isn't a great scorer. You want a scorer at each guard spot and preferably one who can shoot and score in all kinds of ways...Monk, Smith, etc. In addition to that, if you were a Suns fan when Colangelo ran the team you would know he shied away from players with baggage (even traded Kidd in his prime because of domestic dispute, which could steer him away from Jackson as well).

Philadelphia is a different place entirely than Phoenix, Arizona. Plus he's working for a different owner. We can't say for certain the same values and views are shared by the 76ers. Maybe you're looking for a reason that Jackson will drop but I don't know that we can for sure point to this as one.

I don't think the Jackson thing is nearly as big of a deal as the Kidd thing. As far as the Lonzo thing, he has stated it brings a lot of distractions (Jerry). There is a VERY good chance they take Jackson because he is pretty much a consensus top 3 pick, but the biggest reason I think they'd pass on him is fit and need in a class with a lot of interesting talent at the top perhaps with not a lot of separation

[WeekapaugGroove]

My general rule with at top 5 pick is you draft BPA and not for need and that you don't trade down. But man after going round and round with this draft it sure feels like after Fultz the next 8-10 guys are so evenly grouped as prospects this could be the year that I'd be fine breaking those two rules.

[JMac1]

Not sold on Fox...

He will struggle to get that 3pt shot in the NBA, maybe as a spot up 3pter with time... ala Bledsoe level 3pter... and teams will give him that shot more than open lanes.


Monk could be a stud player in the mold of Gordon or even McCollum, 17ppg as a rookie and maybe 20ppg as early as next season given he gets minutes.

Jackson, Isaac and Smith intrigues me the most...

Fox's very mediocre vision scares me more than his jumper. He's not a good passer at all vs good defenses.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of point guards who can't shoot or pass.

I'm not a fan of anyone who can't shoot...shooting IS basketball, otherwise its soccer.

I get it with your PG who can't shoot philosophy, but Jackson not being able to shoot means he is one dimensional right now with the hopes of being a two-way player as well. With this logic, isn't Monk and Tatum better prospects? Both can shoot and have the tools to play defense.

If Jackson and Fox never learn to shoot......then they are a wasted picks at number 4. Getting Monk to defend PG and Tatum to focus on D a little more is easier than getting non-shooters to shot better. IMO, of course.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

My general rule with at top 5 pick is you draft BPA and not for need and that you don't trade down. But man after going round and round with this draft it sure feels like after Fultz the next 8-10 guys are so evenly grouped as prospects this could be the year that I'd be fine breaking those two rules.

I hear you. Each of these prospects seems to pose a risk. There are safer players and higher upside players and more or less complete players, but "best" player? Not clear to me. And truly, the player that seems to me to be the most complete two way player is Zach Collins. Highest upside? No, but then, Nash had like the 20th highest upside of the players take in his class. He just happened to extract every last morsel of his potential.