2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

skones · Post #521 » by **skones** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 4:19 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Least excited I've been for a draft since we picked David Noel. Not a single guy available at 17 gives me any excitement. Trade it if you can.

Agree, no Grayson Allen in this draft imo.

machu46 · Post #522 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 4:22 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Least excited I've been for a draft since we picked David Noel. Not a single guy available at 17 gives me any excitement. Trade it if you can.

This is pretty much where I'm at too. I'd be excited by John Collins; pretty meh on like 7 other guys. And I think Collins is likely out of our reach.

VooDoo7 · Post #523 » by **VooDoo7** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 4:25 pm

I think Diallo withdrawing his name killed the draft hype for a lot of people.

JimmyTheKid · Post #524 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 4:26 pm

#17 in most drafts don't conjure much excitement. Thats why the ongoing criticism of the Rashad Vaughn selection remains head scratching to say the least.

M-C-G · Post #525 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 4:34 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:#17 in most drafts don't conjure much excitement. Thats why the ongoing criticism of the Rashad Vaughn selection remains head scratching to say the least.

Fair point...I haven't given up on Vaughn, I still see a bunch of talent in there. Hoping he plays summer league and gets plenty of time along with Thon being "the man"

emunney · Post #526 » by **emunney** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:01 pm

Fotis St wrote:
xTitan wrote:
emunney wrote:Semi is Justin Anderson with a mid range game, right? Am I missing something? I've never seen evidence of the kind of play making that might make him really valuable. We need to aim higher with our 1sts. Perimeter guys who don't have all three skills are non-starters.

Couldn't agree more and why so many are interested in a center, especially those with a range of a dunk, is totally lost on me.

Wrong ... Semi has the 3ball and at a high clip.

These are two different statements.

1) Yes, he agrees that Semi is Justin Anderson.
2) Also, he doesn't understand why so many are interested in Cs with no range.

skones · Post #527 » by **skones** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:05 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:#17 in most drafts don't conjure much excitement. Thats why the ongoing criticism of the Rashad Vaughn selection remains head scratching to say the least.

There are a lot of guys that were taken after him, who a lot of people liked, who've at least looked like NBA players. It becomes louder when you consider that Portis was the guy until Kidd stepped in and pushed Vaughn.

emunney · Post #528 » by **emunney** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:12 pm

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emunney · Post #529 » by **emunney** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:14 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:#17 in most drafts don't conjure much excitement. Thats why the ongoing criticism of the Rashad Vaughn selection remains head scratching to say the least.

The next 7 consecutive picks are all better than him. Don't wear out that scratchin' finger.

Rockmaninoff · Post #530 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:23 pm

The only positive indicator Vaughn had was extreme youth. He was coming off an injury, tested average athletically, and wasn't efficiently productive as a freshmen.

The Vaughn in this draft is probably Ferguson.

Ron Swanson · Post #531 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:26 pm

You should expect a solid rotation player picking 17th overall. If Vaughn never becomes that, it's a blown pick.

emunney · Post #532 » by **emunney** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:34 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:You should expect a solid rotation player picking 17th overall. If Vaughn never becomes that, it's a blown pick.

That's probably the average, but in terms of drafting strategy, if it takes you to the end of the guy's rookie contract before he's a solid rotation player, it's a blown pick. You can get a solid rotation player at market salary whenever you want one. The draft is about securing the long term rights to guys who might be more.

Ron Swanson · Post #533 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:46 pm

emunney wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:You should expect a solid rotation player picking 17th overall. If Vaughn never becomes that, it's a blown pick.

That's probably the average, but in terms of drafting strategy, if it takes you to the end of the guy's rookie contract before he's a solid rotation player, it's a blown pick. You can get a solid rotation player at market salary whenever you want one. The draft is about securing the long term rights to guys who might be more.

If you end up getting him on a cheap multi-year extension, I don't see how these two statements aren't contradictory. No one really cares that Will Barton was a trash basketball player for his first 2 and a half seasons. You just make sure that you don't dump that player too early like Portland did.

emunney · Post #534 » by **emunney** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 6:00 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
emunney wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:You should expect a solid rotation player picking 17th overall. If Vaughn never becomes that, it's a blown pick.

That's probably the average, but in terms of drafting strategy, if it takes you to the end of the guy's rookie contract before he's a solid rotation player, it's a blown pick. You can get a solid rotation player at market salary whenever you want one. The draft is about securing the long term rights to guys who might be more.

If you end up getting him on a cheap multi-year extension, I don't see how these two statements aren't contradictory. No one really cares that Will Barton was a trash basketball player for his first 2 and a half seasons. You just make sure that you don't dump that player too early like Portland did.

If you're arguing that Vaughn had adequate upside for the 40th overall pick, I'd agree.

nmeurett · Post #535 » by **nmeurett** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 6:01 pm

Kind of crazy that Vaughn is still only 20. I'm really hoping thon, Vaughn, Brogdon all play in summer league.

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skones · Post #536 » by **skones** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 7:50 pm

nmeurett wrote:Kind of crazy that Vaughn is still only 20. I'm really hoping thon, Vaughn, Brogdon all play in summer league.

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Brogdon has shown enough. No real reason for him to be there imo.

M-C-G · Post #537 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 7:53 pm

skones wrote:
nmeurett wrote:Kind of crazy that Vaughn is still only 20. I'm really hoping thon, Vaughn, Brogdon all play in summer league.

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Brogdon has shown enough. No real reason for him to be there imo.

Agreed, more valuable for Thon and Vaughn to get more touches, along with our draft picks and maybe identify some other talent for our D league

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #538 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 7:55 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:#17 in most drafts don't conjure much excitement. Thats why the ongoing criticism of the Rashad Vaughn selection remains head scratching to say the least.

It always makes me feel better when someone says the exact same things I've been preaching about on Twitter for two years. Vaughn, all things considered, was kind of a home-run swing when they picked him. For as much animosity as there is with his pick, you'd think he was selected in the first half of the lottery.

I still have yet to give up on him, considering his age.

Frankly, I blame his failures as a player more on Kidd trying to pigeon-hole him into being a sharp-shooting 2. While he was a good shooter in college, it seemed to be more on volume and shot creation... He was never a dead eye shooter.

The problem seems to be a coach trying to fit a round player into a square hole.

Garden Of Edens · Post #539 » by **Garden Of Edens** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 7:57 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
Fotis St wrote:

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Man, he looks impressive. Only nitpick I have is I wish he was 19 instead of 21. He'll be 22 by December.

I have never heard of him before. Why is he not getting more hype as a lottery pick, anyone know anything about him? He looks almost identical to Porzingis

Ron Swanson · Post #540 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:01 pm

Eh, nothing he did there really stood out to me. He's decently agile for a guy that big I guess? So is Jeanne, but I'm just not enamored with any of these guys in the 15-30 range that people are trying to convince me have "unicorn" potential. Would much rather take a traditional guy like Ike or BAM! because I have much more confidence that they'll actually be able to do "big man" things like rebound and protect the rim.