Jan Vesely Receiving Interest From Nets, 76ers, Mavericks

Post #1 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 7:59 pm

Anyone else want to see our "better than Steph Curry" draft choice back in the league? I always liked him, seemed enthusiastic and of course athletic, just couldn't find a role in Washington.

80sballboy · Post #2 » by **80sballboy** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:03 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Anyone else want to see our "better than Steph Curry" draft choice back in the league? I always liked him, seemed enthusiastic and of course athletic, just couldn't find a role in Washington.

Yeah, he was awesome. :oops:

Sure, it wasn't hit fault he was drafted so high but dude had no skills other than dunking. So he is a little bigger after playing in Euroleague? He's shooting 51% from the line there, which was better than his 39% with the Wiz (27% his last season here). Shocked that anybody is interested in him.

Meliorus · Post #3 » by **Meliorus** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:08 pm

He missed the train for athletic small ball, came a few years too early. He would be great as a center nowadays, he used to play power forward for the Wizards?? Crazy.

Dat2U · Post #4 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:12 pm

Amazing example of a guy who left the NBA with less skills than he had first coming into the NBA.

If that doesn't tell you about the kid's work ethic, than nothing will. Yeah it wasn't his fault Ernie drafted him, but it is his fault he didn't work at his game to become a passable NBA role player.

closg00 · Post #5 » by **closg00** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 10:34 pm

Hands is posting about this at BF of-course. Jan would still be just an energy big in the NBA IF he has gotten over his fear of mixing it up with grown ass men and shooting the ball.

verbal8 · Post #6 » by **verbal8** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 1:31 am

I think he will probably be as productive as Yi.

BigA · Post #7 » by **BigA** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 1:44 am

closg00 wrote:Hands is posting about this at BF of-course. Jan would still be just an energy big in the NBA IF he has gotten over his fear of mixing it up with grown ass men and shooting the ball.

Another of hands11's greatest hits: Abe Pollin ordered Ernie to trade the 5th pick in 2009 for Miller and Foye.

closg00 · Post #8 » by **closg00** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 1:54 am

BigA wrote:
closg00 wrote:Hands is posting about this at BF of-course. Jan would still be just an energy big in the NBA IF he has gotten over his fear of mixing it up with grown ass men and shooting the ball.

Another of hands11's greatest hits: Abe Pollin ordered Ernie to trade the 5th pick in 2009 for Miller and Foye.

...he is still saying that :lol:

dangermouse · Post #9 » by **dangermouse** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 3:26 am

verbal8 wrote:I think he will probably be as productive as Yi.

Lets not go crazy...

keynote · Post #10 » by **keynote** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 6:02 pm

I don't think Vesely lacked the work ethic. He lacked the confidence. The version of Vesely who plays for Fehbernace would've earned a second NBA contract with his existing skill set, just based on energy and tenacity alone. But I think the NBA was too much of a culture shock for him.

I don't know if it was our coaching staff, or his teammates, or his opponents. It could've been the shock of life in the US, or it could've been the new feeling being a minority in a mostly Black league. But he was oozing swag in Europe; he lost all of it within this first month of his rookie season; and he regained it all the moment he returned to Europe.

80sballboy · Post #11 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 6:18 pm

Read on Twitter

gambitx777 · Post #12 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 6:41 pm

honesty he could definitely be a back up 5 or 4 on the right team. hes beefed up and still can play solid D and rebound and block shots (not super well, but decent). Its really not his fault he was picked 20-25 spots too early.

closg00 · Post #13 » by **closg00** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 7:53 pm

gambitx777 wrote:honesty he could definitely be a back up 5 or 4 on the right team. hes beefed up and still can play solid D and rebound and block shots (not super well, but decent). Its really not his fault he was picked 20-25 spots too early.

Back-up C? In Europe perhaps. Have you forgotten how he withered when mixing it up with other big men and how he wouldn't post-up even shrimpy guards?

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Dat2U · Post #14 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 8:16 pm

keynote wrote:I don't think Vesely lacked the work ethic. He lacked the confidence. The version of Vesely who plays for Fehbernace would've earned a second NBA contract with his existing skill set, just based on energy and tenacity alone. But I think the NBA was too much of a culture shock for him.

I don't know if it was our coaching staff, or his teammates, or his opponents. It could've been the shock of life in the US, or it could've been the new feeling being a minority in a mostly Black league. But he was oozing swag in Europe; he lost all of it within this first month of his rookie season; and he regained it all the moment he returned to Europe.

I'm sorry I missed all this energy & tenacity when he was in DC. When did he display this?

I think we make excuses for a guy we deem likeable. Why? I dunno. I sometimes wonder if his fair skin has something to do with it. I try never to play that card but I have a hard time remember Kwame or any other draft bust getting so much love and sympathy.

keynote · Post #15 » by **keynote** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 10:36 pm

Dat2U wrote:
keynote wrote:I don't think Vesely lacked the work ethic. He lacked the confidence. The version of Vesely who plays for Fehbernace would've earned a second NBA contract with his existing skill set, just based on energy and tenacity alone. But I think the NBA was too much of a culture shock for him.

I don't know if it was our coaching staff, or his teammates, or his opponents. It could've been the shock of life in the US, or it could've been the new feeling being a minority in a mostly Black league. But he was oozing swag in Europe; he lost all of it within this first month of his rookie season; and he regained it all the moment he returned to Europe.

I'm sorry I missed all this energy & tenacity when he was in DC. When did he display this?

I think we make excuses for a guy we deem likeable. Why? I dunno. I sometimes wonder if his fair skin has something to do with it. I try never to play that card but I have a hard time remember Kwame or any other draft bust getting so much love and sympathy.

I was referring to the energy and tenacity he displays *in Turkey*. To be clear: I'm not making any excuses for Vesely. He was a total bust (at a position of need) and a horrible pick; he bears the blame. I'm just saying that he has/had enough skills to be in the NBA. He certainly had enough skills to develop into a Birdman/Tristan Thompson type. He was just *waaay* too timid and passive to be an energy guy -- which is noteworthy, because he's far more confident and aggressive in the same role in Europe.

Some guys (e.g., Burke) simply don't have the size and athleticism to apply their skill set to the NBA. Other guys have the *wrong* NBA skill set for their size (e.g., Rice Jr played like a 6'8" -6'9" bully-ball combo forward, but he was stuck in a plodding 6'5" body). But Vesely's skill set (rebounding, running the floor, passing, finishing with dunks) and size/athleticism should've worked as a backup 4/5. And, he put on some muscle during his time in the NBA, too; I never got the sense that he was lazy or out of shape. He was simply too meek. Meanwhile, in Europe, he's a chest-thumping, chin-ups-on-the-rim crowd favorite. Fans chant his name like he's a dictator.

I've often wondered whether he was intimidated around Black players. FWIW, Gortat has publicly stated that Vesely needed a mentor; and that he believed that if he had been Vesely's teammate during Jan's rookie deal, he would've helped Jan make the transition and stay in the NBA. Given how Gortat is fairly open about talking about race and ethnicity, I wonder if/suspect that part of his mentorship would've included shepherding Vesely through the transition into a Black community.

The same could be said for Yi. Team China Yi is assertive and effective, and would certainly earn minutes as an NBA bench big. But NBA Yi was a non-factor. He has the athleticism; he even has the skills (certainly more than Jan). But like Vesely, he simply didn't have the wherewithal/guts/confidence to put those tools to use in the NBA.

Post #16 » by **nate33** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:03 pm

Vesely was a woefully unskilled offensive player. In today's NBA, he is a total liability at any position other than center. If he has bulked up enough to mix it up with NBA centers, then maybe he has the potential to be a poor man's Javale McGee/Nerlens Noel, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I suspect that even if he has regained his confidence, he still lacks the strength. He never had the necessary base to hold his position and he doesn't have the extreme length to compensate.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #17 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:29 pm

keynote wrote:I don't know if it was our coaching staff, or his teammates, or his opponents. It could've been the shock of life in the US, or it could've been the new feeling being a minority in a mostly Black league. But he was oozing swag in Europe; he lost all of it within this first month of his rookie season; and he regained it all the moment he returned to Europe.

It was us. It was Wittman. He fell through the cracks here.

Post #18 » by **nate33** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:41 pm

Dat2U wrote:
keynote wrote:I don't think Vesely lacked the work ethic. He lacked the confidence. The version of Vesely who plays for Fehbernace would've earned a second NBA contract with his existing skill set, just based on energy and tenacity alone. But I think the NBA was too much of a culture shock for him.

I don't know if it was our coaching staff, or his teammates, or his opponents. It could've been the shock of life in the US, or it could've been the new feeling being a minority in a mostly Black league. But he was oozing swag in Europe; he lost all of it within this first month of his rookie season; and he regained it all the moment he returned to Europe.

I'm sorry I missed all this energy & tenacity when he was in DC. When did he display this?

I think we make excuses for a guy we deem likeable. Why? I dunno. I sometimes wonder if his fair skin has something to do with it. I try never to play that card but I have a hard time remember Kwame or any other draft bust getting so much love and sympathy.

I for one never really considered him likeable after the initial optimism of being a high pick wore off. He was atrocious on offense and terrified to touch the ball. It was embarrassing TBH.

gambitx777 · Post #19 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:53 pm

closg00 wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:honesty he could definitely be a back up 5 or 4 on the right team. hes beefed up and still can play solid D and rebound and block shots (not super well, but decent). Its really not his fault he was picked 20-25 spots too early.

Back-up C? In Europe perhaps. Have you forgotten how he withered when mixing it up with other big men and how he wouldn't post-up even shrimpy guards?

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Go look at his euro numbers and go watch him play, they dude has gotten much better, not to mention that he also put on a lot of bulk, He sits at about 250 now, and I think he was much much less back then with us. Hey plays harder and definitely has grown as a player, I would 100% love to bring him back as a redemption story!

TGW · Post #20 » by **TGW** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:03 am

He still has absolutely no skillset other than dunking. Give me a break.