Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Asian Celtic]

In light of apparent gap between GSW and CLE and clear gap between Celts and Cavs.... should we abandon win now mentality?

Maybe signing KO and Smart long term and trading Horford, Bradley and/or IT to try to get another lottery pick and build for 2020 isn't so crazy. What is Ball or Tatum are available at picks 5 or 6?

If you could trade our vets - Bradley and IT in last year of deals ( other picks as needed ) - and get picks 5 and 10 and ended up with Fultz, Tatum and Isaac...... is the a viable option? Sure you miss out on a Gordon Hayward.

You roll out a team of KO, Isaac, Zizac, Yabs, Jaylen, Smart, Fultz, Tatum.....

Or imagine a backcourt of Fultz, Ball, Smart. Then you have 2 potential lottery picks next year too - Nets and our own pick.

Not saying we should do this, just entertaining the concept.

I'm all in this movement, but trading Horford 1 year into his Max contract and FA plans is PR disaster. Unless the guy wants to compete for a chip somewhere then I highly doubt he's getting traded.

[Asian Celtic]

CLE Incoming:
Avery Bradley
Isaiah Thomas
Jae Crowder
Al Horford

BOS Incoming:
2019 CLE 1st
2021 CLE 1st
2023 CLE 1st
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Channing Frye
Iman Shumpert

lol

Lmao are you trying to pull a BillyKing pt.2 on the Cavs?

I think they'd ban your phone # with this offer.

[DowJones]

Would Boston do a Love for Crowder-Smart-Bradley-2019 LAC 1st deal? This trade would make Hayward more likely to sign and open PT for Fultz and Brown.

[Curmudgeon]

You've just traded away the heart and soul of the defense for Kevin Love. What are you people smoking?

[Celts17Pride]

You've just traded away the heart and soul of the defense for Kevin Love. What are you people smoking?

Danny Ainge probably reads this forum and laughs his ass off while rolling on the ground until he passes out.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Would Boston do a Love for Crowder-Smart-Bradley-2019 LAC 1st deal? This trade would make Hayward more likely to sign and open PT for Fultz and Brown.

Pick 2/3, and yes. May consider adding Rozier, if that makes a difference.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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Maybe? But if Fultz and Jaylen live up to their billing, NOP wins that deal. Plus we'd be gutted, plus we wouldn't have the cap space to get Hayward. I'd say Horford, BKN 18 for Davis might be worth doing. Or Horford, BKN 17. Keep a max salary slot.

[Andrew McCeltic]

You've just traded away the heart and soul of the defense for Kevin Love. What are you people smoking?

Danny Ainge probably reads this forum and laughs his ass off while rolling on the ground until he passes out.

Yup. That's my major concern about putting Smart, Bradley and Crowder in play to chase stars. They're currently the team's defensive identity, probably the best trio of defenders in the league.

[SmartWentCrazy]

You've just traded away the heart and soul of the defense for Kevin Love. What are you people smoking?

Danny Ainge probably reads this forum and laughs his ass off while rolling on the ground until he passes out.

We have a lot of good players, but we need some great ones.

Given that he's gone after Love multiple different years, it's safe to assume he thinks Love is great. Wouldn't be shocked if he did go after him at all.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Tough move putting AL on the bench. I get it, but it sucks

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Doesn't have to happen, you could start him with Blake and bring KP off the bench. Far-fetched. But do you think they beat Golden State?

What would Celtics be willing to give up for Andre Drummond and the 12th if you can keep Olynyk to back up Drummond, and Horford moved to PF backed up by Amir Johnson?

Good question. If we miss on free agents, I'd be very open to taking Dre into our cap space. I happen to like him, think he still has upside left, and think a better, more flexible coach than SVG can help him. But I don't know what I'd give up. If you have us keeping Olynyk and Amir, we don't have the space to absorb his money, and matching salary would be tough.

[SmartWentCrazy]

You've just traded away the heart and soul of the defense for Kevin Love. What are you people smoking?

Danny Ainge probably reads this forum and laughs his ass off while rolling on the ground until he passes out.

Yup. That's my major concern about putting Smart, Bradley and Crowder in play to chase stars. They're currently the team's defensive identity, probably the best trio of defenders in the league.

Gunna play devils advocate, but what exactly was our defensive identity? We were pretty run-of-the-mill, and Crowder and Bradley's reputation exceeding their performance was a large part of this.

Smart, I fully agree with-- he is the heart and soul of the d and shouldn't go. His ability to switch up all the way to PF is incredibly valuable, and I'd prefer to keep him because of that.

[jmr07019]

If we get Hayward we need to trade some back court players for frontcourt players. IT, Smart, Bradley, Fultz, Hayward, Crowder is too many players for 3 spots. So...

Bradley and Crowder for Aaron Gordon and future first.

Saves us enough money so we could keep KO. Gordon is a huge upgrade over Amir and we keep our top 2 bigs from last year and don't let KO go to waste as an asset.

IT / Fultz / Rozier
Smart / Fultz
Hayward / Brown
Gordon / Yabs
Horford / KO / Zizic

[djFan71]

Danny Ainge probably reads this forum and laughs his ass off while rolling on the ground until he passes out.

Yup. That's my major concern about putting Smart, Bradley and Crowder in play to chase stars. They're currently the team's defensive identity, probably the best trio of defenders in the league.

Gunna play devils advocate, but what exactly was our defensive identity? We were pretty run-of-the-mill, and Crowder and Bradley's reputation exceeding their performance was a large part of this.

Smart, I fully agree with-- he is the heart and soul of the d and shouldn't go. His ability to switch up all the way to PF is incredibly valuable, and I'd prefer to keep him because of that.

I've come around to this as well. For all our talk of having 3 great perimeter defenders, we could never really get stops in the playoffs against Wall, Beal or Kyrie - or, heck, Rondo. LeBron isn't fair, but couldn't stop him either. AB totally shut down Butler a couple games, I'll grant that, but beyond that, what exactly did our defense do for us when it really mattered?

[djFan71]

BTW, I don't say that as a pro trade for Love opinion. Just that they are movable in the right scenarios to me.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yup. That's my major concern about putting Smart, Bradley and Crowder in play to chase stars. They're currently the team's defensive identity, probably the best trio of defenders in the league.

Gunna play devils advocate, but what exactly was our defensive identity? We were pretty run-of-the-mill, and Crowder and Bradley's reputation exceeding their performance was a large part of this.

Smart, I fully agree with-- he is the heart and soul of the d and shouldn't go. His ability to switch up all the way to PF is incredibly valuable, and I'd prefer to keep him because of that.

I've come around to this as well. For all our talk of having 3 great perimeter defenders, we could never really get stops in the playoffs against Wall, Beal or Kyrie - or, heck, Rondo. LeBron isn't fair, but couldn't stop him either. AB totally shut down Butler a couple games, I'll grant that, but beyond that, what exactly did our defense do for us when it really mattered?

Right, but you have to weigh talent against degree of difficulty. We didn't have a rebounder like Sullinger to get defensive boards - that means everyone else has to shift a little attention from defense to watching the ball go up and reacting. We haven't had any meaningful interior defense, which means there's no one like Whiteside or Noel to "erase" mistakes. All those things tip the scales a little, and make stops harder to get.

Bradley can't give 100 percent on defense anymore because he's developed into a better scorer. Smart still can, but may lose a little defensively the more energy he has to spend with the ball. But all three are very good defensive players.

[GregB]

Would Boston do a Love for Crowder-Smart-Bradley-2019 LAC 1st deal? This trade would make Hayward more likely to sign and open PT for Fultz and Brown.

Take out Smart and I am sure Danny would consider it. I could see that being a follow up move to signing Hayward.

[djFan71]

Gunna play devils advocate, but what exactly was our defensive identity? We were pretty run-of-the-mill, and Crowder and Bradley's reputation exceeding their performance was a large part of this.

Smart, I fully agree with-- he is the heart and soul of the d and shouldn't go. His ability to switch up all the way to PF is incredibly valuable, and I'd prefer to keep him because of that.

I've come around to this as well. For all our talk of having 3 great perimeter defenders, we could never really get stops in the playoffs against Wall, Beal or Kyrie - or, heck, Rondo. LeBron isn't fair, but couldn't stop him either. AB totally shut down Butler a couple games, I'll grant that, but beyond that, what exactly did our defense do for us when it really mattered?

Right, but you have to weigh talent against degree of difficulty. We didn't have a rebounder like Sullinger to get defensive boards - that means everyone else has to shift a little attention from defense to watching the ball go up and reacting. We haven't had any meaningful interior defense, which means there's no one like Whiteside or Noel to "erase" mistakes. All those things tip the scales a little, and make stops harder to get.

Bradley can't give 100 percent on defense anymore because he's developed into a better scorer. Smart still can, but may lose a little defensively the more energy he has to spend with the ball. But all three are very good defensive players.

True, good point. I do think a whole unit of quality defenders makes it better than the sum of the parts and we were always out there with a weak link for a majority of the time. But, that's not changing short term. Overall, I think offense is a little unstoppable now. and unless you really have lockdown defenders at every spot, offense is gonna win. So sacrificing a little in defensive ability for more in offensive creativity may be the way to go these days.

[jfs1000d]

If we get Hayward we need to trade some back court players for frontcourt players. IT, Smart, Bradley, Fultz, Hayward, Crowder is too many players for 3 spots. So...

Bradley and Crowder for Aaron Gordon and future first.

Saves us enough money so we could keep KO. Gordon is a huge upgrade over Amir and we keep our top 2 bigs from last year and don't let KO go to waste as an asset.

IT / Fultz / Rozier
Smart / Fultz
Hayward / Brown
Gordon / Yabs
Horford / KO / Zizic

Gordon?

Is it too much to ask that we get a good player in return?

[31to6]

I think Smart is going to be a late bloomer offensively like Billups and Kyle Lowry.

Not a chance. Smart pretty much is what he is unless he loses about 20-25 lbs. Smart has zero lift.

Yeah the summer story for Marcus this year has to be losing weight and trying to get quicker on his feet. Some more lift would be great too.

I'm still somewhat shattered by seeing DWill mosey past him into the lane in the ECF.

remake the body, remake the shot*, remake his offensive game -- we'll get there!

*we'll always have 7/10 3s game 4 ECF; it could happen..

[PierceFan4ever]

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I really want AD but heck no to that package. We'd basically be the Pelicans and our new roster still won't beat the Warriors.