2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[skones]

I don't want to trade down, at all.

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When I read these draft threads I get the feeling that many people think this is an NFL draft, don't quite get it.

Exactly, I was going to post something to the same effect when I made this post. You can substantially increase your roster strength in the NFL in the middle rounds. The talent drop off isn't as steep and with 7 rounds, there are contributors everywhere. The NBA is vastly different. The talent funnels to the top.

In a trade down scenario, you take a lot of risk in letting your guy be scooped up by another team. Take Thon for example, as many are very high on him here. The prevailing notion last season was that we reached and we should have traded back to select him. With the crapshoot that draft turned into after selection, he may not have ended up in a Bucks uniform.

[skones]

I don't want to trade down, at all.

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Who's your guy at 17?

I don't have one guy yet, but I do think I will come draft time and I think it'll be narrowed down to 2 or 3 guys.

[Ron Swanson]

Exactly. I don't get this whole trying to play it cute and move back a couple spots if you have a certain prospect on your radar. Just draft him. Don't get too caught up in mocks and pick value. If you really like a guy like Jawun Evans and think he's gonna be the best player out of the remaining prospects, then who cares if it's considered a reach at #17.

[M-C-G]

I think the trade down talk is because many people have quite a few people they would be happy with and not just one guy. Getting two guys you are happy with is better than one. What's not to get?


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[Jimmmycrackcorn]

I think the trade down talk is because many people have quite a few people they would be happy with and not just one guy. Getting two guys you are happy with is better than one. What's not to get?


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if there are two players you really like, and they are rated further down most boards...trade down and take two home-run swings. you just increased your odds at hitting one out of the park. and maybe both.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm just trying to think of recent "one for two" situations where a team traded back and ended up with both later picks being better than who was picked at their original slot, and all I can come up with is the Denver-Chicago trade in 2014 (McDermott for Nurkic + Gary Harris). The best bet is almost always to just take the most talented player with the higher pick.

[sdn40]

I'm sure all the other teams realize the value in this draft as well. Barring a team falling in love with someone - they would rather have the two instead of one just as much as us.

[Pachinko_]

this draft looks good, not too top heavy but with a lot of value in the middle
if you're gonna have a mid-low pick this looks like a good draft to have it

[Frank Nova]

I think the trade down talk is because many people have quite a few people they would be happy with and not just one guy. Getting two guys you are happy with is better than one. What's not to get?


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Exactly. I mean there's an easy 5-7 guys in that late teens early 20s range that are rather interchangeable. All of them have similar ceiling/floor potentials. I personally don't care about an extra pick, I want a usable rotation player from the team we swap with. I'd love to come out of this draft in the 1st round with a solid rookie prospect and a NBA caliber rotation guy for the bench. I'll say again, 17 for 21 + Jeremi Grant from OKC just makes too much sense for us. We could certainly use a player off the bench like Grant who is active around the rim and plays solid D with length and athleticism. He's a nice "spell" to give Giannis breaks at the PF spot and can also play some small ball center when we really want to get out and run.

If a trade like that isn't available and we're talking about moving down from 17 to get an extra 2nd round pick or a future heavily protected 1st then I'm all for just staying at 17 and taking the guy we like most regardless of where he's being mocked and what not. That's just me though, I can understand the other side of the fence. It's no secret the obsession a good majority of ppl around have for extra draft picks and I don't hate on that either, it's just not what I prefer moving forward now.

[Frank Nova]

Anyone see Fords new mock? Curious to know who he has us taking. It's getting close to crunch time where Ford starts locking in on legit picks...

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

I'm just trying to think of recent "one for two" situations where a team traded back and ended up with both later picks being better than who was picked at their original slot, and all I can come up with is the Denver-Chicago trade in 2014 (McDermott for Nurkic + Gary Harris). The best bet is almost always to just take the most talented player with the higher pick.

no doubt.... that being said, the Bucks recent draft models of "reaching" for players that fit their mold of length/work-ethic/upside might allow them to pick a few players later than most teams would pick them. and if you're torn between two guys who can be had a few picks later, and secure another asset....something worth considering.

that said, I say if you have "a guy"...pick him. don't care if you pick him at 2, or 17, or 48. just pick him.

[Matches Malone]

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[SupremeHustle]

Anyone see Fords new mock? Curious to know who he has us taking. It's getting close to crunch time where Ford starts locking in on legit picks...

He's usually more accurate after the draft.

[ReasonablySober]

Ford has the Bucks taking Ike:

Anibogu would give the Bucks an athletic rim protector who can use strength to clear out the paint and finish above the rim. He lacks polish but has long-term potential as a defensive-minded 5.

Jarrett Allen, Terrance Ferguson and Justin Jackson are also options for the Milwaukee.

It sounds like Giles is likely long gone by the time the Bucks come on the board.

[M-C-G]

Anyone see Fords new mock? Curious to know who he has us taking. It's getting close to crunch time where Ford starts locking in on legit picks...

Someone posted an article and I while I forget the measurment system they used, Draftexpress was consistently the most accurate. But with that said, I think Ford was one of the first guys that mocked Thon to us at 10 last year when everyone else still had him as a second round pick. DX wasn't too far behind on that as I recall, but not sure where they get their info.

[M-C-G]

I'm just trying to think of recent "one for two" situations where a team traded back and ended up with both later picks being better than who was picked at their original slot, and all I can come up with is the Denver-Chicago trade in 2014 (McDermott for Nurkic + Gary Harris). The best bet is almost always to just take the most talented player with the higher pick.

no doubt.... that being said, the Bucks recent draft models of "reaching" for players that fit their mold of length/work-ethic/upside might allow them to pick a few players later than most teams would pick them. and if you're torn between two guys who can be had a few picks later, and secure another asset....something worth considering.

that said, I say if you have "a guy"...pick him. don't care if you pick him at 2, or 17, or 48. just pick him.

Sure, if we have a guy we are locked into I agree, but when we are throwing darts with the information we have on realgm, I feel better about having multiple picks. Let's say Orlando wants to move up and get a guy at 17, I'd do 25/33/35

Yeah you are potentially missing on 8 guys out of your pool for moving back, but their are a lot of guys mocked in the first part of the second round I would love to add. If those guys go earlier that means some guys mocked in the 20s are making it to the second round and there is plenty to like in that pool

[machu46]

Reading Ford's mock now. A couple things that jumped out at me:
1. Luke Kennard reportedly measured with a 38.5" vert.
2. John Collins going one pick ahead of us reports continue to pour in that he's shot the ball very well in workouts, with Ford suggesting he could possibly end up being a stretch 4 in the NBA.
3. Regarding BAM!: "Adebayo is steadily rising back up draft boards and a very strong pro day has scouts buzzing again, especially at the terrific feet that allow him to guard multiple positions."
4. Ford has Frank Jackson at 25 compared to DX having him at 39.
5. Ford says that Terrence Ferguson has been struggling in workouts; apparently worked out against Kennard and that's been a reason Kennard's stock has risen and Ferg's has declined.

[machu46]

Anyone see Fords new mock? Curious to know who he has us taking. It's getting close to crunch time where Ford starts locking in on legit picks...

Someone posted an article and I while I forget the measurment system they used, Draftexpress was consistently the most accurate. But with that said, I think Ford was one of the first guys that mocked Thon to us at 10 last year when everyone else still had him as a second round pick. DX wasn't too far behind on that as I recall, but not sure where they get their info.

DraftExpress had us taking Thon in the 2nd round. I believe their final mock had us taking Ellenson at 10. Ford had us taking Deyonta Davis in his last mock draft after flip flopping between him and Dejounte Murray the whole time. I think the highest he had Thon mocked was #18 to the Pistons. I do think I remember him reporting that the Bucks liked him, but never went so far as to actually mock him to us.

Edit: Actually, just went back and found Ford's comments from draft night. He said he first learned about the Bucks interest in Thon a half hour before the draft started; he put out a mock at that point and had Thon going to us.

[M-C-G]

Anyone see Fords new mock? Curious to know who he has us taking. It's getting close to crunch time where Ford starts locking in on legit picks...

Someone posted an article and I while I forget the measurment system they used, Draftexpress was consistently the most accurate. But with that said, I think Ford was one of the first guys that mocked Thon to us at 10 last year when everyone else still had him as a second round pick. DX wasn't too far behind on that as I recall, but not sure where they get their info.

DraftExpress had us taking Thon in the 2nd round. I believe their final mock had us taking Ellenson at 10. Ford had us taking Deyonta Davis in his last mock draft after flip flopping between him and Dejounte Murray the whole time. I think the highest he had Thon mocked was #18 to the Pistons. I do think I remember him reporting that the Bucks liked him, but never went so far as to actually mock him to us.

Edit: Actually, just went back and found Ford's comments from draft night. He said he first learned about the Bucks interest in Thon a half hour before the draft started.

Hmmm, ok, I really thought it came out sooner, but could easily be misremebering

EDIT: I saw your second edit that he did squirt out a mock before the draft, I feel vindicated!

[M-C-G]

4. Ford has Frank Jackson at 25 compared to DX having him at 39.

I saw chatter on the trade board that Jackson got a promise from someone and the poster (no idea what kind of intel they had) felt pretty certain it was the Bucks or Jazz (pick 24). But if Hammond was the one that gave him the promise, him going to Orlando at 25 would certainly make some sense