2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[SelfishPlayer]

There is something shortsighted about drafting a college prospect based upon their ability to shoot college 3 point shots. Potential to shoot NBA three point shots should be a minor consideration in picking at the top of the lottery, along with a prospect's perceived excellent perimeter defense against college players. Chris Singleton, Kris Dunn, and Marcus Smart were supposed to be GOAT NBA defenders based upon what they did in college. I don't see a Pippen, Payton, Bruce Bowen, or Tayshaun Prince there...

[Kolkmania]

There is something shortsighted about drafting a college prospect based upon their ability to shoot college 3 point shots. Potential to shoot NBA three point shots should be a minor consideration in picking at the top of the lottery, along with a prospect's perceived excellent perimeter defense against college players. Chris Singleton, Kris Dunn, and Marcus Smart were supposed to be GOAT NBA defenders based upon what they did in college. I don't see a Pippen, Payton, Bruce Bowen, or Tayshaun Prince there...

Well you don't draft a prospect based upon their ability to shoot college 3's, you do that with their volume of shooting, high school percentages, shooting form, footwork, free throw percentage and difficulty of their shots in mind. I think that Malik Monk will be an incredible shooter in the NBA and Josh Jackson a really poor one, despite there's only 2% differentiating each other in the 3PT% category.

Being able to shoot the 3 (especially off the dribble) is scheme changing in the modern NBA, why should it be a minor consideration in picking at the top of the lottery?

Not getting your point about Dunn and Smart, despite their age they're already above average defenders for their positions. It's their offense that causes problems. Don't think that anybody projected Dunn or Smart to have a Pippen-esque impact on the defensive end.

[SelfishPlayer]

There is something shortsighted about drafting a college prospect based upon their ability to shoot college 3 point shots. Potential to shoot NBA three point shots should be a minor consideration in picking at the top of the lottery, along with a prospect's perceived excellent perimeter defense against college players. Chris Singleton, Kris Dunn, and Marcus Smart were supposed to be GOAT NBA defenders based upon what they did in college. I don't see a Pippen, Payton, Bruce Bowen, or Tayshaun Prince there...

Well you don't draft a prospect based upon their ability to shoot college 3's, you do that with their volume of shooting, high school percentages

I am not reading beyond that point. Thank you for responding to my post...

[Kolkmania]

There is something shortsighted about drafting a college prospect based upon their ability to shoot college 3 point shots. Potential to shoot NBA three point shots should be a minor consideration in picking at the top of the lottery, along with a prospect's perceived excellent perimeter defense against college players. Chris Singleton, Kris Dunn, and Marcus Smart were supposed to be GOAT NBA defenders based upon what they did in college. I don't see a Pippen, Payton, Bruce Bowen, or Tayshaun Prince there...

Well you don't draft a prospect based upon their ability to shoot college 3's, you do that with their volume of shooting, high school percentages

I am not reading beyond that point. Thank you for responding to my post...

Shame, because that's the only point I agreed with you, that it's shortsighted. I would even go as far that not one respectable evaluator does it.

[Negrodamus]

Well you don't draft a prospect based upon their ability to shoot college 3's, you do that with their volume of shooting, high school percentages

I am not reading beyond that point. Thank you for responding to my post...

Shame, because that's the only point I agreed with you, that it's shortsighted. I would even go as far that not one respectable evaluator does it.

Yea, I completely agree with you. You have to look at the whole picture to evaluate the prospect's shot, not just the percentages.

It would be like watching a highlight video of De'Aaron Fox against Kansas to judge Josh Jackson's defense: too little sample size to form an educated opinion.

[SouthJersey]

Well you don't draft a prospect based upon their ability to shoot college 3's, you do that with their volume of shooting, high school percentages

I am not reading beyond that point. Thank you for responding to my post...

Shame, because that's the only point I agreed with you, that it's shortsighted. I would even go as far that not one respectable evaluator does it.

Why would you evaluate a player based on their high school percentages and not their college? Level of competition is surely higher in college

[Unbreakable99]

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[SelfishPlayer]

OG Anunoby, Chris Singleton, and Ekpe Udoh are possibly the three most overrated prospects that I have ever seen.

[Sixerscan]

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What a weird title.

[agiaco]

I've talked myself into about 6 or 7 guys we could potentially take.

[Ericb5]

Chad Ford finally updated his mock to have Jackson going to the Sixers which should have been the pick since the lottery.

It's funny how his first mock was so bad that when he moved Monk out of the third spot, he had to drop him all the way to 8, which is still before Smith, which doesn't really make any sense to me. So that means that he originally forecasted Monk being drafted 5 spots higher than he otherwise would have projected, and the only reason is that he assumed that Bryan would get locked in on fit.

To me that shows a fundamental lack of respect for Bryan, which sadly I sort of share, and that is why I am still concerned.

If the Knicks are sitting there with Monk and Smith on the board I would make Smith the overwhelming favorite to be the pick. The Knicks have nothing other than Porzingis so there are no fit issues with Smith.

[sixerswillrule]

I just think he's very very high on Isaac. Saric is the defensive weak link in the starting 5. Isaac would erase all of that and he has good 3 point shooting potential. BC drafted Korkmaz and I think he thinks he can draft another shooter later. I don't think he would draft Monk 3rd but he might if he trades bs k to 5 or later. I think BC thinks he has a good chance to get Porter or KCP in free agency and they can be the wing. I think he wants to get a defensive identify and Isaac will push Saric to the bench in a year or 2.

Isaac is really more of a tall three than a four, he may never have the muscle to defend PF's. I like Isaac more as a long, smooth SF. I'm not sure Colangelo buys Hinkie's violence at the rim philosophy given how badly and casually he bothched the handling of Noel.

I would love two picks like 5 and 10 in this draft.

The quiet guy on the Sixers front has been Tatum and sometimes when you don't hear about a guy..,

Which PF will destroy Jonathan Isaac at the rim if he adds some pounds over the summer? Kevin Love? I'm willing to give up an occasional easy bucket if he dramatically improves the teams versatility and help defense. Kind of the same story for Nerlens Noel, was too weak to defend guys like Cousins one on one, but compensated with a lot of rim protection, steals, deflections and ability to defend at the perimeter.

Whoever drafts Isaac should focus on transforming him into a defensive force at the 4 (even situational 5), otherwise he'll lose so much value because playing as a wing negates his weakside help defense, rebounding qualities and switching ability. Offensively he's probably not quick enough to punish poor closeouts, etc. at the 3.

I agree Isaac should be fine against most PFs. I think he also can be an excellent defender at the 3 too, though. He has Kirilenko-type potential on defense, who was elite vs. both positions. What would be great about a Simmons-Isaac pairing is that they would be interchangeable on defense. You could match up Isaac against PFs and Simmons against SFs. My concern with putting Simmons at SF in a vacuum was that you'd lose a lot of the defensive potential with limiting switching mismatches, etc. compared to having Simmons at PF. But that's with a stretch 4 like Saric or Ilyasova in mind. That wouldn't be the case with Isaac at PF. I agree about him not being able to punish closeouts though. Ideally both Simmons and the other forward have the quickness to take advantage of whoever the PF on defense is.

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[Sixersftw]

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1) Has Chad Ford ever been correct?
2) If yes, I'm ready for the Isaac/Monk draft.

[smittybanton]

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Yes, yes, and more yes.

Problem is, I think Boston and LA may be thinking the same thing: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246156/Celtics-Not-Settled-On-Fultz-Yet-Considering-Ball-Fox-Jackson-Tatum

The top seven are on the same tier, and Jayson Tatum and Jonathan Isaac fit the Celtics needs much better than Fultz, Ball or Jackson.

We can sweeten the deal with TJ McConnell, Justin Anderson and Furkan Korkmaz--as the Kings are bereft of point guards (Collison & Lawson, gone) and small forwards (Gay & Evans, gone).

Even if they hold tight at #5, we could possibly take #10 off their hands with Maxx, Anderson and Korkmaz.

[Eyeamok]

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My body is ready for this.

[smittybanton]

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If the Kings are confident in Anunoby's return to health, then there's absolutely no need for them to trade #5 and #10, when there's a strong likelihood that Fox falls to #5 and Anunoby's there at #10, or they can get Jackson or Tatum at #5 if Fox goes early and then a point guard at #10.

Except, I for one am not that big a fan of OG Anunoby's, however. I like his defensive instincts, but I think he's a worse ballhandler and has way less offensive skill than Robert Covington. We're talking Jerami Grant at #10 after suffering a ruptured achilles?

[Negrodamus]

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Umm yes. Leaving this draft with Isaac/Tatum and Mitchell would be unbelievable.

[Ericb5]

If we could get 5 and 10 for 3 then I would probably do it. It would mean losing out on Jackson as he would undoubtably go 4th in that scenario, but if we could get Tatum or Isaac with 5 and then get Monk at 10 then it could be worth it.

It is at least extremely compelling.


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[OleSchool]

ill be a nice guy and even throw in OK4 to grease the wheels, Sac can never have too many C's