Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[klemen4]

This is just for information purposes, just in case anyone wants it and I know we have had guys post their own thoughts, so I figured I'd see how accurate this is compared to our more astute posters.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/2017-offseason-salary-cap-digest-boston-celtics.html

Looks right...for 10 players and 2 cap holds we are at 72 million...meaning we would have 29 mill in cap space.

Trading Rozier 2 mill for future first gives us only 1.2 mill more in cap because instead of Rozier we have to calculate 0.8 cap hold...so we would be on 30.2 mill...and thats Hayward 30% ...30.3 mill.

It/fultz
Ab/smart
Hayward/brown
Crowder/ hayward
Horford/Zizic

9 man small ball rotation.

[BleedGreen1989]

I think that's selling low on potential. Now your calling markelle a bust given how highly touted this draft is. 15/6? Seriously? Your just being contrarian now.

Well of course I am. I'm playing devils advocate.

What I've said though is not that much more far fetched than what you said either. Was merely proving a point it can be looked at either way.

Ok so now let's speculate reasonably. I personally don't think Jaylen is an allstar in the making. Cap him off at Crowder tier. I think Fultz is safely and reasonably a top 15-20 player at his height. I won't call him a top 5 player if you won't call him a 15/6 player. I think both labels are out of line on opposite ends of the spectrum. Brooklyns pick next year is high. There's 4 guys who are being massively touted. Maybe more, not sure yet. Chance at allstar caliber talent in 18' is high. With 3 young guys with loads of potential and promise I'd rather develop them n look for an alternative way to land Davis in Free agency.

It's a fair stance. I'm obviously super high on Fultz (profile pic lol), but there is always a chance a guy disappoints.

Doesn't matter cause NO wouldn't do it, but I don't think it would be some crazy overpay either.

Also, Brooklyn wasn't god awful with Lin healthy and if they can add a free agent or two, maybe that pick lands in the 5-8 range instead.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Well of course I am. I'm playing devils advocate.

What I've said though is not that much more far fetched than what you said either. Was merely proving a point it can be looked at either way.

Ok so now let's speculate reasonably. I personally don't think Jaylen is an allstar in the making. Cap him off at Crowder tier. I think Fultz is safely and reasonably a top 15-20 player at his height. I won't call him a top 5 player if you won't call him a 15/6 player. I think both labels are out of line on opposite ends of the spectrum. Brooklyns pick next year is high. There's 4 guys who are being massively touted. Maybe more, not sure yet. Chance at allstar caliber talent in 18' is high. With 3 young guys with loads of potential and promise I'd rather develop them n look for an alternative way to land Davis in Free agency.

It's a fair stance. I'm obviously super high on Fultz (profile pic lol), but there is always a chance a guy disappoints.

Doesn't matter cause NO wouldn't do it, but I don't think it would be some crazy overpay either.

Also, Brooklyn wasn't god awful with Lin healthy and if they can add a free agent or two, maybe that pick lands in the 5-8 range instead.

Completely agree with you on a healthy Lin. He's our biggest obstacle regarding a top level pick next year. That team didn't have talent but they played hard

[Froob]

Ok so now let's speculate reasonably. I personally don't think Jaylen is an allstar in the making. Cap him off at Crowder tier. I think Fultz is safely and reasonably a top 15-20 player at his height. I won't call him a top 5 player if you won't call him a 15/6 player. I think both labels are out of line on opposite ends of the spectrum. Brooklyns pick next year is high. There's 4 guys who are being massively touted. Maybe more, not sure yet. Chance at allstar caliber talent in 18' is high. With 3 young guys with loads of potential and promise I'd rather develop them n look for an alternative way to land Davis in Free agency.

It's a fair stance. I'm obviously super high on Fultz (profile pic lol), but there is always a chance a guy disappoints.

Doesn't matter cause NO wouldn't do it, but I don't think it would be some crazy overpay either.

Also, Brooklyn wasn't god awful with Lin healthy and if they can add a free agent or two, maybe that pick lands in the 5-8 range instead.

Completely agree with you on a healthy Lin. He's our biggest obstacle regarding a top level pick next year. That team didn't have talent but they played hard

It'd be cool to see Lin succeed at some point in big playoff games (not next year though of course). His fans can be over the top and annoying but, he's a real cool dude and a hell of a competitor. I'd take him on my team any day if there was a need him.

[galipeautim]

If we opt to not re-sign Kelly and trade AB then theoretically we can offer max dollars to Gordon Hayward and still be able to pay IT big bucks next offseason and not go over the luxury tax (if we don't re-sign Smart). I'm not necessarily a fan of keeping IT into his 30's and his value decreases when we have no cap space available for free agents, but it is an option if we need it. It's very unlikely that we trade him this summer so it comes down to letting him walk or paying him the big bucks.

[bucknersrevenge]

I think I just make a small trade with NYK for Kyle O'Quinn. We need a replacement for Amir. Marcus and AB are probably gonna begin the season as the starting backcourt with IT on the shelf until 2018 but if it looks like Jaylen could push for more minutes, I have no problem moving AB either. Wonder if Minny would move Lavine for AB

[j_dlt]

Here is an offseason plan I thought up. Not super realistic but just for fun.

Renounce All Free Agents

Trade 1
To TrailBlazers: Avery Bradley
To Nets: Meyers Leonard, Demetrius Jackson, #37 Pick
To Celtics: #15 Pick, #20 Pick, Festus Ezeli (Waive, Guaranteed 1 Million)

Trade 2
To ???: Terry Rozier, Pick #20
To Boston: 2018 Pick (Top 10 Protected)

Draft #1 (Markelle Fultz), #15 (Harry Giles)

So Roster consists of Horford, Crowder, Thomas, Brown, Smart, Fultz, Zizic, Yabusele, Giles. Including Ezelis buy out and the roster surcharge for being at 9 players, our cap hit is $67,017,742 or $33,982,258 in space. So enough to give Hayward his $30,300,000 max.

Sign Gordon Hayward (Max)

$4,497,873 Left of Cap Space

Sign 4 Vet Minimums/2nd Rounders
Sign PF/C MLE


Depth Chart with Minutes
PG: IT (30)/Fultz(18)
SG: Hayward (10), Smart (25), Brown (10), Fultz (3)
SF: Crowder (23), Hayward (15), Brown (10)
PF: MLE (20), Yabusele (13), Crowder (5), Hayward (5), Brown (5)
C: Horford (30), Zizic (18)

Total Minutes: IT (30), Hayward (30), Horford (30) Crowder (28), Smart (25), Brown (25), Fultz (22), MLE PF/C (20), Zizic (18), Yabusele (13).

This is our 10 man rotation when everyone is healthy, Vet Minimums and 2nd Rounders are getting DNP's and filling in when there are injuries. Giles is spending the year rehabbing.

At the Trade Deadline if Bulls decide to finally move Butler (This is the most unrealistic part, but like I said, this is just for fun)
To Timberwolves: Jae Crowder, Guerschon Yabusele, Boston 18'
To Bulls: Marcus Smart, Jonathan Isaac (2017 #7), Clipper 19', 2018 Pick Acquired From Rozier Trade (Top 10 Protected)
To Celtics: Jimmy Butler, Bobby Portis

PG: IT (32), Fultz (16)
SG: Butler (30), Fultz (10), Brown (8)
SF: Hayward (30), Brown (18)
PF: MLE (23), Portis (15), Hayward (5), Butler (5)
C: Horford (30), Zizic (18)

Total Minutes: Butler (35), Hayward (35), Thomas (32), Horford (30), Brown (26), Fultz (24), MLE (23), Zizic (18), Portis (15)

[Asian Celtic]

Here is an offseason plan I thought up. Not super realistic but just for fun.

Renounce All Free Agents

Trade 1
To TrailBlazers: Avery Bradley
To Nets: Meyers Leonard, Demetrius Jackson, #37 Pick
To Celtics: #15 Pick, #20 Pick, Festus Ezeli (Waive, Guaranteed 1 Million)

Trade 2
To ???: Terry Rozier, Pick #20
To Boston: 2018 Pick (Top 10 Protected)

Draft #1 (Markelle Fultz), #15 (Harry Giles)

So Roster consists of Horford, Crowder, Thomas, Brown, Smart, Fultz, Zizic, Yabusele, Giles. Including Ezelis buy out and the roster surcharge for being at 9 players, our cap hit is $67,017,742 or $33,982,258 in space. So enough to give Hayward his $30,300,000 max.

Sign Gordon Hayward (Max)

$4,497,873 Left of Cap Space

Sign 4 Vet Minimums/2nd Rounders
Sign PF/C MLE


Depth Chart with Minutes
PG: IT (30)/Fultz(18)
SG: Hayward (10), Smart (25), Brown (10), Fultz (3)
SF: Crowder (23), Hayward (15), Brown (10)
PF: MLE (20), Yabusele (13), Crowder (5), Hayward (5), Brown (5)
C: Horford (30), Zizic (18)

Total Minutes: IT (30), Hayward (30), Horford (30) Crowder (28), Smart (25), Brown (25), Fultz (22), MLE PF/C (20), Zizic (18), Yabusele (13).

This is our 10 man rotation when everyone is healthy, Vet Minimums and 2nd Rounders are getting DNP's and filling in when there are injuries. Giles is spending the year rehabbing.

At the Trade Deadline if Bulls decide to finally move Butler (This is the most unrealistic part, but like I said, this is just for fun)
To Timberwolves: Jae Crowder, Guerschon Yabusele, Boston 18'
To Bulls: Marcus Smart, Jonathan Isaac (2017 #7), Clipper 19', 2018 Pick Acquired From Rozier Trade (Top 10 Protected)
To Celtics: Jimmy Butler, Bobby Portis

PG: IT (30), Fultz (18)
SG: Butler (25), Smart (20), Fultz (3)
SF: Hayward (25), Brown (18), Smart (5)
PF: MLE (20), Portis (13), Hayward (5), Butler (5), Brown (5)
C: Horford (30), Zizic (18)

Total Minutes: IT (30), Butler (30), Hayward (30), Horford (30), Smart (25), Brown (23), Fultz (21), MLE (20), Zizic (18), Portis (13)

Welcome to the boards . Not bad for a first post, you must be lurking a lot or was a previous poster. With regards to your unrealistic trade part, why do you have Smart on our roster if you have him going to the bulls?

[Roddy]

I hope Hayward will re-sign with Utah.
Spending our whole cap for one player (not a top 15 player) would be a mistake.
We need more than one player to be contenders.
Fultz and Zizic haven't prove anything in the NBA yet.

[BleedGreen1989]

I hope Hayward will re-sign with Utah.
Spending our whole cap for one player (not a top 15 player) would be a mistake.
We need more than one player to be contenders.
Fultz and Zizic haven't prove anything in the NBA yet.

Right. And we will likely get them one at a time?

Really don't understand this sentiment.

[Roddy]

I hope Hayward will re-sign with Utah.
Spending our whole cap for one player (not a top 15 player) would be a mistake.
We need more than one player to be contenders.
Fultz and Zizic haven't prove anything in the NBA yet.

Right. And we will likely get them one at a time?

Really don't understand this sentiment.

$30 million for Horford
$30 million for Hayward
$20/25 million for IT

Still not contenders with this big three.
You build with draft picks and trades. So you need to be patient.

[BleedGreen1989]

I hope Hayward will re-sign with Utah.
Spending our whole cap for one player (not a top 15 player) would be a mistake.
We need more than one player to be contenders.
Fultz and Zizic haven't prove anything in the NBA yet.

Right. And we will likely get them one at a time?

Really don't understand this sentiment.

$30 million for Horford
$30 million for Hayward
$20/25 million for IT

Still not contenders with this big three.
You build with draft picks and trades. So you need to be patient.

1. Lot's of people aren't going to be contenders while GSW is together. Doesn't mean you stop trying and don't add an all-star "for free".

2. So if we traded for him you'd be cool with it?

There is literally no reason to not sign Gordon Hayward if he wants to come.

[Roddy]

Right. And we will likely get them one at a time?

Really don't understand this sentiment.

$30 million for Horford
$30 million for Hayward
$20/25 million for IT

Still not contenders with this big three.
You build with draft picks and trades. So you need to be patient.

1. Lot's of people aren't going to be contenders while GSW is together. Doesn't mean you stop trying and don't add an all-star "for free".

2. So if we traded for him you'd be cool with it?

There is literally no reason to not sign Gordon Hayward if he wants to come.

There are about more than 30 million reasons to not sign a guy who is not a huge upgrade for this team.

And its not for free since you will need to trade some of our actual players to get him.

Thats why I like the idea of a trade for Bulter who makes only $18 million.

[BleedGreen1989]

$30 million for Horford
$30 million for Hayward
$20/25 million for IT

Still not contenders with this big three.
You build with draft picks and trades. So you need to be patient.

1. Lot's of people aren't going to be contenders while GSW is together. Doesn't mean you stop trying and don't add an all-star "for free".

2. So if we traded for him you'd be cool with it?

There is literally no reason to not sign Gordon Hayward if he wants to come.

There are about more than 30 million reasons to not sign a guy who is not a huge upgrade for this team.

And its not for free since you will need to trade some of our actual players to get him.

Thats why I like the idea of a trade for Bulter who makes only $18 million.

Butler would require you to trade a lot more and is a player of fairly equal talent to Gordon.

I don't follow your logic...

[watsonthedragon]

$30 million for Horford
$30 million for Hayward
$20/25 million for IT

Still not contenders with this big three.
You build with draft picks and trades. So you need to be patient.

1. Lot's of people aren't going to be contenders while GSW is together. Doesn't mean you stop trying and don't add an all-star "for free".

2. So if we traded for him you'd be cool with it?

There is literally no reason to not sign Gordon Hayward if he wants to come.

There are about more than 30 million reasons to not sign a guy who is not a huge upgrade for this team.

And its not for free since you will need to trade some of our actual players to get him.

Thats why I like the idea of a trade for Bulter who makes only $18 million.

Clearly you haven't watched much of Hayward if you don't think he would be an ENORMOUS upgrade over Jae.

[jfs1000d]

Would Boston do a Love for Crowder-Smart-Bradley-2019 LAC 1st deal? This trade would make Hayward more likely to sign and open PT for Fultz and Brown.

Take out Smart and I am sure Danny would consider it. I could see that being a follow up move to signing Hayward.

Too thin for Cleveland then. Crowder+ Bradley just isn't enough.

It won't happen, but that crowder and Bradley will help Lebron take defense off. Crowder and Bradley are plus defenders. I think Bradley in the Cavs would be incredible.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app

[Banks2Pierce]

Here is an offseason plan I thought up. Not super realistic but just for fun.

Renounce All Free Agents

Trade 1
To TrailBlazers: Avery Bradley
To Nets: Meyers Leonard, Demetrius Jackson, #37 Pick
To Celtics: #15 Pick, #20 Pick, Festus Ezeli (Waive, Guaranteed 1 Million)

Trade 2
To ???: Terry Rozier, Pick #20
To Boston: 2018 Pick (Top 10 Protected)

Those look like smart trades as far as value matching up. Issue is the Blazers and their guard jam. They'd probably have to have a major CJ trade lined up in the aftermath, which I think they should be doing.

Where is the damn Bradley trade if not Philly?

[BillessuR6]

Cannot believe people are debating if signing Hayward is a good idea. We could get him without giving up any assets... That is a no brainer. Sure if you think Griffin is a better choice it is a valid point...but this would enable us to use the assets for another star player...

And Hayward is a huge upgrade over Crowder. Jae is a nice role player to have, especially on his contract but Hayward is a legitimate allstar player...

[VeryMuchWoke]

I could also see us getting out of Horford's contract agreeably at that point - send him to Washington, where he almost signed, get Gortat and Mahinmi...

Why in God's name would we do such a thing? We made Ian Mahinmi look unplayable. Now imagine what the Warriors would do to him. Gortat is on a good contract, but only for 2 more years, and for over those 2 years we'd be paying Gortat and Mahinmi about what we'd be paying Horford now. In year 3, we'd get some salary relief, but only by loosing the only decent player we got in the deal.

So we:

• Get no salary relief.
• Give up the best player in the deal.
• Take on a bad contract.
• Exacerbate the roster crunch.

Oh, and Gortat is 2 years older than Horford, so we can expect declining production from him.

Now I know you're saying spin Ian off in a deal for Butler, but unless you think Mahinmi is decent we get hosed in that initial deal with Washington.

[cl2117]

1. Lot's of people aren't going to be contenders while GSW is together. Doesn't mean you stop trying and don't add an all-star "for free".

2. So if we traded for him you'd be cool with it?

There is literally no reason to not sign Gordon Hayward if he wants to come.

There are about more than 30 million reasons to not sign a guy who is not a huge upgrade for this team.

And its not for free since you will need to trade some of our actual players to get him.

Thats why I like the idea of a trade for Bulter who makes only $18 million.

Butler would require you to trade a lot more and is a player of fairly equal talent to Gordon.

I don't follow your logic...

Plus if you are trading some of our actual players to make room for Hayward, you're not getting nothing back. We'll either get draft assets and/or cheaper bench players.

Trade Bradley to Detroit for #12 and the cap space to sign Gordon. Now you've got an upgrade at SG AND a lottery pick.