NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

[benchmobbin02]

I don't think our front office is smart enough to do this, but if the Fox rumors (5+10 for him and all) are all a smokescreen to get someone else it's one of the best I've seen in a while.

You don't think Catanella, Perry and Bratz are smart enough to get this done ?

[benchmobbin02]

I don't mind the package, but if it's at the expense of landing Jackson that's a no can do from me. If either ball or Jackson make it down that far you have to take them IMO unless they really are opposed to playing in Sac and it will cause more off the court issues which is something the Kings obviously don't need.

The upside of both DJS and Isaac together trump Jackson alone every time.

It wouldn't be Jackson alone though. It would be Jackson, plus whoever we get at #10.

So 7th DJS and 8th Issac

vs

5th Jackson and 10th Collins

and you take 5th and 10th...

[City of Trees]

I don't mind the package, but if it's at the expense of landing Jackson that's a no can do from me. If either ball or Jackson make it down that far you have to take them IMO unless they really are opposed to playing in Sac and it will cause more off the court issues which is something the Kings obviously don't need.

The upside of both DJS and Isaac together trump Jackson alone every time.

It wouldn't be Jackson alone though. It would be Jackson, plus whoever we get at #10.

The usual suspects still occupy 10 like Collins, Markannen, OG (who is no longer a need after taking Jackson), and Mitchell. I guess the pick for me at 10 would be Mitchell.

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[benchmobbin02]

The upside of both DJS and Isaac together trump Jackson alone every time.

It wouldn't be Jackson alone though. It would be Jackson, plus whoever we get at #10.

The usual suspects still occupy 10 like Collins, Markannen, OG (who is no longer a need after taking Jackson), and Mitchell. I guess the pick for me at 10 would be Mitchell.

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That is an interesting scenario...

Hmmm...With a starting lineup of Mitchell, Hield, Jackson, Skal, WCS, would the primary ball handler switch off between Mitchell and Jackson. Intriguing options on how/who to run the Offense thru...not to mention the defense upside if Hield can progress on that side of the ball.

Think I still would prefer DSJ and Isaac tho.

[benchmobbin02]

Just seen another mock on CBS that had Sac and Philly dealing

Sac gets 3rd(Fox) and Okafor

Philly gets 5th(Jackson) and BMac

I'd do that in a heartbeat if we can keep the 10th.

[enderwilson]

The upside of both DJS and Isaac together trump Jackson alone every time.

It wouldn't be Jackson alone though. It would be Jackson, plus whoever we get at #10.

So 7th DJS and 8th Issac

vs

5th Jackson and 10th Collins

and you take 5th and 10th...

Not sure. It's a lot harder question to answer than simply comparing Jackson alone to DSJ and Isaac.

I like Isaac a lot, but he's much more of a project and Jackson has All-Star potential. While its true we need a point guard more than we need front court players, not all the teams drafting 6-9 need a point guard over other positions so there's the potential for DSJ or Ntilikina to drop. Otherwise players like Markannen and Collins are nothing to sneeze at.

[benchmobbin02]

It wouldn't be Jackson alone though. It would be Jackson, plus whoever we get at #10.

So 7th DJS and 8th Issac

vs

5th Jackson and 10th Collins

and you take 5th and 10th...

Not sure. It's a lot harder question to answer than simply comparing Jackson alone to DSJ and Isaac.

I like Isaac a lot, but he's much more of a project and Jackson has All-Star potential. While its true we need a point guard more than we need front court players, not all the teams drafting 6-9 need a point guard over other positions so there's the potential for DSJ or Ntilikina to drop. Otherwise players like Markannen and Collins are nothing to sneeze at.

In this scenerio the PGs are gone like they most likely would be in real life. The Knicks and Mavs aren't passing.

DJS and Isaac or Jackson and Collins?

[enderwilson]

So 7th DJS and 8th Issac

vs

5th Jackson and 10th Collins

and you take 5th and 10th...

Not sure. It's a lot harder question to answer than simply comparing Jackson alone to DSJ and Isaac.

I like Isaac a lot, but he's much more of a project and Jackson has All-Star potential. While its true we need a point guard more than we need front court players, not all the teams drafting 6-9 need a point guard over other positions so there's the potential for DSJ or Ntilikina to drop. Otherwise players like Markannen and Collins are nothing to sneeze at.

In this scenerio the PGs are gone like they most likely would be in real life. The Knicks and Mavs aren't passing.

DJS and Isaac or Jackson and Collins?

Why are you making it about Collins?

[SacKingZZZ]

So Jackson, Tatum, Isaac, and DSJ are on the board at 5?

I would look to trade down using the assets gained by trading down at 5, to move up from 10.

Kings trade
5
10

Kings receive
7 (DSJ)
8 (Isaac)


Wolves trade
7
Rubio

Wolves receive
5 (Jackson)


Knicks trade
8

Knicks receive
10
Rubio


Kings get their PG and SF. Knicks get a PG and pick of the litter for a big at 10. Wolves get their wing.

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I don't mind the package, but if it's at the expense of landing Jackson that's a no can do from me. If either ball or Jackson make it down that far you have to take them IMO unless they really are opposed to playing in Sac and it will cause more off the court issues which is something the Kings obviously don't need.

The upside of both DJS and Isaac together trump Jackson alone every time.

No doubt. But taking Jackson and still getting someone at 10 probably evens it back out if not sending it skyrocketing in the other direction like Enderwilson said.

[SacKingZZZ]

The upside of both DJS and Isaac together trump Jackson alone every time.

It wouldn't be Jackson alone though. It would be Jackson, plus whoever we get at #10.

The usual suspects still occupy 10 like Collins, Markannen, OG (who is no longer a need after taking Jackson), and Mitchell. I guess the pick for me at 10 would be Mitchell.

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Mitchell has the makings of a Marcus Smart/Avery Bradley type of player so it could work.

[enderwilson]

So 7th DJS and 8th Issac

vs

5th Jackson and 10th Collins

and you take 5th and 10th...

Not sure. It's a lot harder question to answer than simply comparing Jackson alone to DSJ and Isaac.

I like Isaac a lot, but he's much more of a project and Jackson has All-Star potential. While its true we need a point guard more than we need front court players, not all the teams drafting 6-9 need a point guard over other positions so there's the potential for DSJ or Ntilikina to drop. Otherwise players like Markannen and Collins are nothing to sneeze at.

In this scenerio the PGs are gone like they most likely would be in real life. The Knicks and Mavs aren't passing.

DJS and Isaac or Jackson and Collins?

Going back to the proposed draft scenario earlier, not having Monk around for the Knicks does make having DSJ and Ntilikina around at the 10 less likely.

Still, either of these scenarios (Jackson + 10 or DJS + Issac) have a lot of potential win in them for the Kings. I wouldn't be upset with either outcome.

[SacKingZZZ]

With the talk about the Kings moving up to take Fox what if the Kings were able to get Philly to give back the 2019 pick in exchange for 10?

Sac sends:
5 + 10

Philly sends:

3 + 2017 2nd rounder + 2019 pick back

By all accounts Philly is trying to compete sooner than later so this might be workable for them since they get an asset now.

[City of Trees]

It wouldn't be Jackson alone though. It would be Jackson, plus whoever we get at #10.

The usual suspects still occupy 10 like Collins, Markannen, OG (who is no longer a need after taking Jackson), and Mitchell. I guess the pick for me at 10 would be Mitchell.

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Mitchell has the makings of a Marcus Smart/Avery Bradley type of player so it could work.

I've tried to like Jackson but I just can't. 56% FT shooter! Buyer beware his shot is broken.

Also DX notes he complains to the officials a lot, picking up a handful of techs in college.

I like Isaac and Tatum over Jackson.
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[benchmobbin02]

Not sure. It's a lot harder question to answer than simply comparing Jackson alone to DSJ and Isaac.

I like Isaac a lot, but he's much more of a project and Jackson has All-Star potential. While its true we need a point guard more than we need front court players, not all the teams drafting 6-9 need a point guard over other positions so there's the potential for DSJ or Ntilikina to drop. Otherwise players like Markannen and Collins are nothing to sneeze at.

In this scenerio the PGs are gone like they most likely would be in real life. The Knicks and Mavs aren't passing.

DJS and Isaac or Jackson and Collins?

Why are you making it about Collins?

Because according to mocks he is the consensus to be there and/or be our pick.

[RiotPunch]

Hey dudes.

Just curious what it would take in addition to #17 to move up to #10?

[benchmobbin02]

I don't mind the package, but if it's at the expense of landing Jackson that's a no can do from me. If either ball or Jackson make it down that far you have to take them IMO unless they really are opposed to playing in Sac and it will cause more off the court issues which is something the Kings obviously don't need.

The upside of both DJS and Isaac together trump Jackson alone every time.

No doubt. But taking Jackson and still getting someone at 10 probably evens it back out if not sending it skyrocketing in the other direction like Enderwilson said.

You think adding Collins to Jackson sends the combined value skyrocketing over DSJ and Isaac?

[VeganKingsFan]

Hey dudes.

Just curious what it would take in addition to #17 to move up to #10?

Thon Maker + 17. Or maybe 17 plus next year's first and 2nd rounders. You guys don't really have assets that we badly want that you'd give up. I think we'd be highly unlikely trade partners. We'd probably take Dellavedova's bad contract and the 17th for Kosta Koufos though.

[SacKingZZZ]

The usual suspects still occupy 10 like Collins, Markannen, OG (who is no longer a need after taking Jackson), and Mitchell. I guess the pick for me at 10 would be Mitchell.

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Mitchell has the makings of a Marcus Smart/Avery Bradley type of player so it could work.

I've tried to like Jackson but I just can't. 56% FT shooter! Buyer beware his shot is broken.

Also DX notes he complains to the officials a lot, picking up a handful of techs in college.

I like Isaac and Tatum over Jackson.
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There are negatives of course, but I don't think his shot is broken at all. It's funky, but he's already shown signs of being a good spot shooter. Off the dribble and with the ball he's got major potential as well. No player in this draft is perfect coming in but with his tools if he develops a bit further I think he can be something special. At worst he's going to be a hard working defender with potential to be an all NBA defensive team candidate.

[RiotPunch]

Hey dudes.

Just curious what it would take in addition to #17 to move up to #10?

Thon Maker + 17. Or maybe 17 plus next year's first and 2nd rounders. You guys don't really have assets that we badly want that you'd give up. I think we'd be highly unlikely trade partners. We'd probably take Dellavedova's bad contract and the 17th for Kosta Koufos though.

Yeah, I figured as much. Just would really love Zach Collins and it's hard to imagine him falling passed you guys.

I wouldn't trade Thon and 17 for 5, let alone 10. Also, don't view Delly as a bad contract at all. Henson or Teletovic, on the other hand...

#17 + 2018 1st (Top 10 protected) for #10 would probably be as high as I'd go.

Thanks for the input!

[SacKingZZZ]

The upside of both DJS and Isaac together trump Jackson alone every time.

No doubt. But taking Jackson and still getting someone at 10 probably evens it back out if not sending it skyrocketing in the other direction like Enderwilson said.

You think adding Collins to Jackson sends the combined value skyrocketing over DSJ and Isaac?

Maybe, Collins has some nice potential. I'm still not a fan of taking a big at 10 if they draft a SF/PF though, so restricting it to him leaves out other options that in my opinion could be better.