Joel Embiid -- The Process is now Live

[jbent87]

I will not be happy at all with Brett Brown if Embiid is playing anything close to the way he did last year, once we have Simmons and a lot more talent coming in.

Even though he was very good at it for his size and experience level, I cringed every time Embiid faced up from 20 feet.

Even if he can do it well, that should not be his game. Put the giant close to the hoop.

welcome to the 2017 NBA. Having your bigs be able to shoot keeps the rest of the defense honest. Not sure why you want to take that away. It's what makes him a special player.

[Ericb5]

I will not be happy at all with Brett Brown if Embiid is playing anything close to the way he did last year, once we have Simmons and a lot more talent coming in.

Even though he was very good at it for his size and experience level, I cringed every time Embiid faced up from 20 feet.

Even if he can do it well, that should not be his game. Put the giant close to the hoop.

welcome to the 2017 NBA. Having your bigs be able to shoot keeps the rest of the defense honest. Not sure why you want to take that away. It's what makes him a special player.

Embiid can do all sorts of things, but one of the big reasons that he wasn't close to the basket as much as people would have liked is because of our inability to get him the ball down there. That is going to change in a big way when he is playing with Simmons.

Embiid was left to do things "the hard way" the whole time, and he STILL dominated. Once he is able to play off of Simmons he is going to start getting many more easy buckets, and facing up from 20 feet will become less frequent.

[Cheatergriffin]

I will not be happy at all with Brett Brown if Embiid is playing anything close to the way he did last year, once we have Simmons and a lot more talent coming in.

Even though he was very good at it for his size and experience level, I cringed every time Embiid faced up from 20 feet.

Even if he can do it well, that should not be his game. Put the giant close to the hoop.

welcome to the 2017 NBA. Having your bigs be able to shoot keeps the rest of the defense honest. Not sure why you want to take that away. It's what makes him a special player.

Embiid can do all sorts of things, but one of the big reasons that he wasn't close to the basket as much as people would have liked is because of our inability to get him the ball down there. That is going to change in a big way when he is playing with Simmons.

Embiid was left to do things "the hard way" the whole time, and he STILL dominated. Once he is able to play off of Simmons he is going to start getting many more easy buckets, and facing up from 20 feet will become less frequent.

Agree 100% about embiid doing things the hard way, especially watching sergio try to throw a post entry pass was torture. It amazed me that he's played basketball this long and failed at this basic concept.

[phiphan]

I don't think that Embiid has great sense of positioning around the rim yet, and it may well be the players he's played with so far. You could see the contrast with Nerlens, who regularly had great positioning around the rim on guard penetration. For interior scoring, Embiid's positioning on penetration is way more important than the guards' ability to feed the post.

[Ericb5]

I don't think that Embiid has great sense of positioning around the rim yet, and it may well be the players he's played with so far. You could see the contrast with Nerlens, who regularly had great positioning around the rim on guard penetration. His positioning on guard penetration is way more important than the guards' ability to feed the post.

Well there are two different things that you are raising about positioning around the basket.

One is positioning yourself for a dump off when a guard penetrates, and the other is establishing low post position to receive an entry pass. Embiid is excellent at the latter.

How many times did we see Embiid seal off his man and position himself to get the ball, and then didn't get it?

Also, Embiid would often get the ball with 5 seconds left on the shot clock and be asked to make something happen. Generally speaking, it is going to be Simmons with the ball in his hands in that scenario, and he is going to be the one trying to make something happen. He will either drive to the basket to score, dump off to Embiid, or kick out to a shooter.

I think that Embiid needs to work on his lower body, and his landing mechanics, but a lot of the crazy out of control drives to the basket won't need to happen anymore because the degree of difficulty for him will go way down playing with Simmons.

Simmons and Embiid are going to be amazing together.

[Wilfried]

Simmons and Embiid are going to be amazing together.

Maybe, but to have amazing results, Simmons will have to become at least a decent shooter from range.

That's what I'm worried about.

[phiphan]

I don't think that Embiid has great sense of positioning around the rim yet, and it may well be the players he's played with so far. You could see the contrast with Nerlens, who regularly had great positioning around the rim on guard penetration. His positioning on guard penetration is way more important than the guards' ability to feed the post.

Well there are two different things that you are raising about positioning around the basket.

One is positioning yourself for a dump off when a guard penetrates, and the other is establishing low post position to receive an entry pass. Embiid is excellent at the latter.

How many times did we see Embiid seal off his man and position himself to get the ball, and then didn't get it?

Also, Embiid would often get the ball with 5 seconds left on the shot clock and be asked to make something happen. Generally speaking, it is going to be Simmons with the ball in his hands in that scenario, and he is going to be the one trying to make something happen. He will either drive to the basket to score, dump off to Embiid, or kick out to a shooter.

I think that Embiid needs to work on his lower body, and his landing mechanics, but a lot of the crazy out of control drives to the basket won't need to happen anymore because the degree of difficulty for him will go way down playing with Simmons.

Simmons and Embiid are going to be amazing together.

I was raising one thing (positioning on penetration), you're raising another thing (post positioning). I think mine should be a higher priority since 1) it's a relative weakness and 2) it leads to a more efficient offense, versus a post-up, an inefficient play.

[Chris76]

Simmons and Embiid are going to be amazing together.

Maybe, but to have amazing results, Simmons will have to become at least a decent shooter from range.

That's what I'm worried about.

If Simmons could average 15pts, 10rebs, and 10 assists with a solid mid range game and good defense would that get you to stop worrying about his 3pt shot? I think that's his floor.

[Sixersftw]

Simmons and Embiid are going to be amazing together.

Maybe, but to have amazing results, Simmons will have to become at least a decent shooter from range.

That's what I'm worried about.

If Simmons could average 15pts, 10rebs, and 10 assists with a solid mid range game and good defense would that get you to stop worrying about his 3pt shot? I think that's his floor.

His floor is averaging a triple double....

Well, I'm certainly glad we didn't take Ingram then.

[Ericb5]

I don't think that Embiid has great sense of positioning around the rim yet, and it may well be the players he's played with so far. You could see the contrast with Nerlens, who regularly had great positioning around the rim on guard penetration. His positioning on guard penetration is way more important than the guards' ability to feed the post.

Well there are two different things that you are raising about positioning around the basket.

One is positioning yourself for a dump off when a guard penetrates, and the other is establishing low post position to receive an entry pass. Embiid is excellent at the latter.

How many times did we see Embiid seal off his man and position himself to get the ball, and then didn't get it?

Also, Embiid would often get the ball with 5 seconds left on the shot clock and be asked to make something happen. Generally speaking, it is going to be Simmons with the ball in his hands in that scenario, and he is going to be the one trying to make something happen. He will either drive to the basket to score, dump off to Embiid, or kick out to a shooter.

I think that Embiid needs to work on his lower body, and his landing mechanics, but a lot of the crazy out of control drives to the basket won't need to happen anymore because the degree of difficulty for him will go way down playing with Simmons.

Simmons and Embiid are going to be amazing together.

I was raising one thing (positioning on penetration), you're raising another thing (post positioning). I think mine should be a higher priority since 1) it's a relative weakness and 2) it leads to a more efficient offense, versus a post-up, an inefficient play.

I said it awkwardly. What I meant is that the issue of post positioning is two fold.

Either way, I expect Embiid to respond to coaching and quickly integrate it into his game just as he has done with many other skills.




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[Unbreakable99]

Simmons and Embiid are going to be amazing together.

Maybe, but to have amazing results, Simmons will have to become at least a decent shooter from range.

That's what I'm worried about.

If Simmons could average 15pts, 10rebs, and 10 assists with a solid mid range game and good defense would that get you to stop worrying about his 3pt shot? I think that's his floor.

I don't think there is a bigger Simmons fan than me but if him averaging a triple double is his floor then Simmons will go down as the greatest player ever lol. No way any player's floor should be a triple double. Do you know how hard it is to average a triple double for a season let alone a career? Lol.

[Ericb5]

Maybe, but to have amazing results, Simmons will have to become at least a decent shooter from range.

That's what I'm worried about.

If Simmons could average 15pts, 10rebs, and 10 assists with a solid mid range game and good defense would that get you to stop worrying about his 3pt shot? I think that's his floor.

I don't think there is a bigger Simmons fan than me but if him averaging a triple double is his floor then Simmons will go down as the greatest player ever lol. No way any player's floor should be a triple double. Do you know how hard it is to average a triple double for a season let alone a career? Lol.

Averaging a triple double isn't his floor, but I would argue that he will be better than John Wall even if his shooting ability never gets much better. I think that Simmons' shooting ability isn't as bad as his numbers suggest because he is a timid shooter, and not an awkward or poor shooter. He needs to build confidence in shooting the 15-18 footer so he chooses to take that shot when given to him instead of choosing to drive to the basket.

He's far away from being a 3 pt shooter, but that can come in time, and he only needs to get it above 30% or so to force the defense to play him honestly.

[Chris76]

Maybe, but to have amazing results, Simmons will have to become at least a decent shooter from range.

That's what I'm worried about.

If Simmons could average 15pts, 10rebs, and 10 assists with a solid mid range game and good defense would that get you to stop worrying about his 3pt shot? I think that's his floor.

I don't think there is a bigger Simmons fan than me but if him averaging a triple double is his floor then Simmons will go down as the greatest player ever lol. No way any player's floor should be a triple double. Do you know how hard it is to average a triple double for a season let alone a career? Lol.

Step over Westbrook theirs a new triple double threat in town. Sorry, i guess i got carried away with Simmons, but i do think his assists and rebounds will be high. He is focused to be a really good playmaker. His teammates should benefit, greatly.

[BoomBap]

I think Ben should be able to average 18pts, 10ast and 8rebs in some of his prime years. Not over his whole career, but in 1-3 seasons

[TeamHigh]

I was raising one thing (positioning on penetration), you're raising another thing (post positioning). I think mine should be a higher priority since 1) it's a relative weakness and 2) it leads to a more efficient offense, versus a post-up, an inefficient play.

Post-ups are too general to categorically call them a bad play. Post-ups when you have to force up an awkward hook shot as time is expiring? Sure. But post-ups when you have good position, close to the basket, and against a player whom you have a physical mismatch against (and let's face it, a player like Embiid creates his own physical mismatch) is a good shot.

There was plenty of times when Embiid sealed his man near the basket and could make one good drop step towards the basket and finish with a layup, but the ball didn't go in to him. Or if it did, it was not a good pass that could lead him to the basket, and he would have to surrender his post position to go out and grab it. Either because the team didn't see his positioning or lacked the confidence in their entry passes to lead him towards the basket.

As for being positioned for dump-offs, you have to consider the point guard in that situation. Not even Noel looked that great as a roll man last year because Sergio and TJ are simply not great pick and roll guards. They lack the scoring ability inside to pose much of a credible threat to draw away defenders, and neither of them have great size/athleticism and would occasionally struggle to throw passes over the top. The post player is only half the equation here.

Embiid's life should get significantly easier playing alongside a good initiator/facilitator. And that's a scary prospect for the rest of the league.

[ankle420breaker]

Holmes is very adept at making himself available for dump offs at the rim and usually converts those high percentage looks. He should be a guy that Simmons makes better.

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[Kobblehead]

Holmes is very adept at making himself available for dump offs at the rim and usually converts those high percentage looks. He should be a guy that Simmons makes better.

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I agree. And this was on display frequently during the Summer League.

Ben Simmons was born to play with springy finishers like Noel and Holmes.

[Chris76]

Holmes is very adept at making himself available for dump offs at the rim and usually converts those high percentage looks. He should be a guy that Simmons makes better.

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I agree. And this was on display frequently during the Summer League.

Ben Simmons was born to play with springy finishers like Noel and Holmes.

Holmes dunks everything and has a great attitude. He seems to be turning into a valuable power forward or small ball center. It's sad we won't see Simmons and Nerlens playing together. Nerlens was a jerk in the beginning of the year. Anyway, he may get over 25 million per year and that's too steep for a backup to Embiid.

[Unbreakable99]

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