Sixers #3 for Celtics #1?

[RR9]

The Celtics have plenty of other pieces they could add to #1 to get Simmons + #3 and have it be a fair trade. #1 and Brown for Simmons and #3 is a fairly simple one that does a lot to balance both teams' rosters. Each team gets a #1 pick with skills more complementary to its best player, and Jackson is a much better prospect than Brown was.

Simmons hasn't played a regular season game and Brown might be ROY (maybe because Simmons didn't play, maybe not). Simmons still might have a high ceiling, but Brown has shown he's got one FOR SURE this season. This actually takes us farther away than #3 for #1 for me.

[LordCovington33]

There is zero reason for the Celtics to include Brown or anything else. They hold all the power in any type of trade down deal. They can just sit still and draft Fultz and be perfectly happy. If they aren't getting one of the consensus top 8 players for this pick then they have to have their socks totally blown off to move

The OP did ask for reasonable offers, not sth that will favor one side. By the way, they do not hold all the power, especially if they prefer another pick following the workouts.

Here is the problem, in my mind. Fultz is only trying out for one team. He has been in Boston for a week. Boston has been high on him. If they are willing to trade down, you must ask why. The Sixers will not be able to conduct a due diligence, so that question will be left unanswered. There is no chance of the sixers giving up #3 + last year's #1 for this year's #1 pick, let alone one who is not willing to try out for us and carries a question mark.

Which is why I said a trade is very unlikely to happen. There hasn't been any indication that Boston wants to trade down at all and the OP asked for a balanced trade. The only way a trade is balanced for me in this type of scenario is if someone is willing to offer a kings ransom to move up to number one.

They absolutely hold all the power when it comes to draft picks. They select first. They can just take whoever they want if they so choose

No disrespect, but I don't understand your logic. If Ainge likes Josh Jackson, but he knows he can be gotten at #3, wouldn't it make sense to get him at #3 (plus get an asset not named Embiid, Simmons or LA pick), than to grab Jackson at #1? If Fultz is their guy, then I don't think a trade is happening unless it is a Kings ransom, which would fall apart pretty quickly. That part makes sense.

[Foshan]

Call me crazy, but i think BOS is actually going to pick Jackson at 1. They went outside the box with Brown (IMO), and I think you can talk yourself into Jacksons pretty high upside and perfect fit.

Of course this line of thinking could be contributed to the bad pizza i ate before bed last night...

[LordCovington33]

The Celtics have plenty of other pieces they could add to #1 to get Simmons + #3 and have it be a fair trade. #1 and Brown for Simmons and #3 is a fairly simple one that does a lot to balance both teams' rosters. Each team gets a #1 pick with skills more complementary to its best player, and Jackson is a much better prospect than Brown was.

Simmons hasn't played a regular season game and Brown might be ROY (maybe because Simmons didn't play, maybe not). Simmons still might have a high ceiling, but Brown has shown he's got one FOR SURE this season. This actually takes us farther away than #3 for #1 for me.

The final 3 ROY candidates have already been announced. He is not one of them, so there is zero chance of him being ROY. Brown is 69 out 81 for Small Forwards for RPM. Statistically he hasn't really shown anything yet, but he is a rookie so he deserves some slack.

[nolang1]

The Celtics have plenty of other pieces they could add to #1 to get Simmons + #3 and have it be a fair trade. #1 and Brown for Simmons and #3 is a fairly simple one that does a lot to balance both teams' rosters. Each team gets a #1 pick with skills more complementary to its best player, and Jackson is a much better prospect than Brown was.

Simmons hasn't played a regular season game and Brown might be ROY (maybe because Simmons didn't play, maybe not). Simmons still might have a high ceiling, but Brown has shown he's got one FOR SURE this season. This actually takes us farther away than #3 for #1 for me.

Yeah, that's a ridiculous homer statement to say about someone who averaged under 7 points a game and was well below replacement level as a rookie. Chandler Parsons had a higher defensive RPM than Brown, and that's supposed to be the strongest part of Brown's game at this point.

[Trippinskarlo]

3+better of LA pick or 6ers pick+sac pick

The potential of Simmons, Embiid, Fultz may even be worth it. They complement each other perfectly, best prospects from their respective drafts, and philly keeps Saric.

C's still get a great prospect and have multiple lotto picks incoming. It is an overpay but the package prob gets it done and honestly the upside for philly is pretty close to worth it. Any less, pass..

[Trippinskarlo]

The difference between 1 and 3 this year isn't anywhere close to the difference between 1 and 3 last year.

Yes it is. The difference between 3 and 1 is always extreme. Regardless of our personal feelings about the prospects

It's not always extreme. The draft is separated into tiers of players. Last years draft had Simmons and Ingram in their own tier. This year Fultz, Ball, and Jackson are in a tier, although the drop from this tier is less steep. The cost to move from 3 to 1 is less than it was in last year's draft.

Even if you personally disagree with those tiers, basic reasoning should tell you that the cost of moving up depends on the draft. If a hypothetical draft has Durant, Lebron, and 28 Anthony Bennetts, then the cost of moving up from 3 to 1 in that draft should be significantly more than the cost of moving up from 3 to 1 in this draft.

Majority of scouts, analysts, and fans that ive seen have Fultz as a tier alone. Hes every bit as close to a consensus pick as KAT was,, more so than simmons etc.

[He Filled it Up]

The Celtics have plenty of other pieces they could add to #1 to get Simmons + #3 and have it be a fair trade. #1 and Brown for Simmons and #3 is a fairly simple one that does a lot to balance both teams' rosters. Each team gets a #1 pick with skills more complementary to its best player, and Jackson is a much better prospect than Brown was.

There is zero reason for the Celtics to include Brown or anything else. They hold all the power in any type of trade down deal. They can just sit still and draft Fultz and be perfectly happy. If they aren't getting one of the consensus top 8 players for this pick then they have to have their socks totally blown off to move

The OP did ask for reasonable offers, not sth that will favor one side. By the way, they do not hold all the power, especially if they prefer another pick following the workouts.

Here is the problem, in my mind. Fultz is only trying out for one team. He has been in Boston for a week. Boston has been high on him. If they are willing to trade down, you must ask why. The Sixers will not be able to conduct a due diligence, so that question will be left unanswered. There is no chance of the sixers giving up #3 + last year's #1 for this year's #1 pick, let alone one who is not willing to try out for us and carries a question mark.

I agree that Simmons/#3 for #1 is a terrible trade, but this type of logic can lead to drafting Jahlil Okafor ahead of Kristaps Porzingis.

[reload141]

Yeah i'd look at a scenario like this:

#1 for #3, Saric & the better of the Philly, Lakers, Brooklyn pick next year.. so we get swap rights to whichever is the highest pick in the draft (Is that possible?)... But that's only if we don't think Fultz suits us and/or Jackson is who we really want.

[Djh7475]

The Celtics have plenty of other pieces they could add to #1 to get Simmons + #3 and have it be a fair trade. #1 and Brown for Simmons and #3 is a fairly simple one that does a lot to balance both teams' rosters. Each team gets a #1 pick with skills more complementary to its best player, and Jackson is a much better prospect than Brown was.

Simmons hasn't played a regular season game and Brown might be ROY (maybe because Simmons didn't play, maybe not). Simmons still might have a high ceiling, but Brown has shown he's got one FOR SURE this season. This actually takes us farther away than #3 for #1 for me.

Yeah, that's a ridiculous homer statement to say about someone who averaged under 7 points a game and was well below replacement level as a rookie. Chandler Parsons had a higher defensive RPM than Brown, and that's supposed to be the strongest part of Brown's game at this point.

Apparently you didn't watch him down the stretch. He plays behind a high-end veteran defended in Crowder and almost always played with the bigs that can't even spell defense. He made head scratching rotations you expect out of all rookies along with some bone-headed foul calls, but he developed throughout the year and was a stud rotation player down the stretch for an ECF roster. After the break, his per 36 averages were 15-6-2-1 on 49/38/60 (if he gets those FT #'s up watch out) and he was one of our best individual wing defenders. He's so athletic and works so damn hard that I can't imagine trading him for #3 either.

Jackson is athletic, but Jaylen is arguably already of the the top athletes in the league. Jackson also has to improve his jump shot a lot whereas going into next year I feel really confident about Jaylen's jumpshot. Jaylen has a quick 1st step that Jackson can't match to attack the basket, and he's not the freak athlete Jaylen is to make some of the difficult finishes look really easy. Jaylen has a high ceiling coming out of college, but he also had a low floor depending on how his shot and finishing ability developed.

Both changed dramatically throughout the year and he showed off a much higher floor than anticipate while giving regular flashes of remaining upside. Josh Jaskson is essentially the same prospect just a year younger, but I can't imagine the Celtics want Jaylen going anywhere after how much he developed this year. As a Celtics fan, there is probably no deal id accept for Jaylen or Fultz that opposing fanbases were happy with. Most of the deals I see are too good to be true for us or for the other team, and then the deals where the value seems to be right typically have an issue with team fit or preference. I view Fultz and Brown as our franchise cornerstones of the future.

[TTP]

Simmons. Nothing less. Which is why a trade is very unlikely to happen. Celtics ownership is on record saying they would only trade the pick for the second coming and anything less than 3+ Simmons isn't enough to even keep me on the line

But thats pretty awful the other way you have to know.

Just look at his screen name.

[sarcasma]

Boston receives...
#3
Lakers unprotected 2018
Saric
Kings unprotected 2019

76ers receive...

Avery Bradley
Markelle Fultz
Boston (not NETS) 2018

[TheMadTopher]

Some of these offer are crazy. #1 overall this year + BKN 2018 doesn't get you Sinmons.

It's fun to see the craziness people can come up with OP, but it's more likely Bos drafts Jackson than Phi trades up to the 1. Ainge would want way more than Philly would ever give.

[cl2117]

I want Ainge to just take Fultz. How often do you get the #1 pick? We were in the ECF this year, unless we get lucky with BKN '18, it'll likely be several years until we've fallen back to being a bottom 5 team with a shot at #1.

That being said I'd be intrigued with trading back if Ainge is contemplating taking anyone other than Fultz or Ball. If those are the clear top 2 guys and Ainge has his sights set on Jackson, I see no reason why he shouldn't aim to trade back to #3 to pick up additional assets.

I'd be targeting the best pick PHI has next year (giving you two bites at the apple in a draft that is supposed to have great big men) and ideally Holmes as a solid throw in. That way they still get Ainge's guy in Jackson, plus a 2nd chance at lottery luck next year AND they add a big body that might actually contribute this year.

I think it's hard to be greedy here because of the talent at the top of this year's draft plus the depth at PG (Fultz, Ball, Fox, DJS). That being said I think a stud PG would give the Sixers such a well rounded high ceiling core that I think you could potentially squeeze something extra out of them.

Simmons is obviously a no-go, I think asking for Saric would force PHI to put limitations on the '18 pick you get, so isn't worth it. So a base package of #3, highest #18 pick they're willing to give up and Holmes makes sense. Then maybe you can squeeze a TLC or the OKC pick or even just a ton of 2nds out of them.

Any traction to this? What would it take to make this a balanced trade?

#3 -Jackson, Holmes, and OKC 2020 1st
I like Jackson or Ball almost as much as Fultz. They seem close as prospects. Sixers have several forwards and Boston has the guards, so a switch seems possible.

Thats way too low of an offer.

It would be a lot more like something like:
#3, better of LAL or Phi '18 1st (top 3 protected), Holmes,OKC 1st. And here I feel bad putting on the top 3 protection, but since I keep hearing from Celtic fans how theLakers will be leapfrogging so many teams it should be okay to have that little add on.

Or make it
#3, better of LAL or Phi '18 1st (top 5 protected),Saric for instance.

Would that protection work as the better of LA or PHI, unless PHI is ahead of LA and is top 3? Or are both protected top 3?

If LA is #1 and PHI is #2 would Boston get LA's?

[patman52]

#3, Lakers top 3 and Holmes - If they want to use the Sac pick and wait another year I want Korkmaz added to it also.

I like Issac a lot

[kriss73]

It's very simple:

1. Fultz is a generational talent -> no way Ainge or any other GM would trade the #1 pick.
2. Fultz is NOT a generational talent -> any trade down would be disappointed i.e. the return would be lesser than expected. No trade again.

I think Ainge likes a lot JJ (my own feeling) but he will take Fultz.
Then, if some deal similar to the Love's deal will materialize during the Summer, I think he will be open to trade Fultz.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I think the entire premise is flawed. The Celtics need quality, not quantity. Why trade a guaranteed #1 pick for a guy universally seen on a tier below Fultz? A future pick that may high lottery- or may be 10+? Seems like a ridiculous risk to take.

If the Celtics trade the pick, it'd be for an established talent. Piecing out your best asset into worse assets makes no sense for a team desperate for a consolidation trade.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Some of these offer are crazy. #1 overall this year + BKN 2018 doesn't get you Sinmons.

It's fun to see the craziness people can come up with OP, but it's more likely Bos drafts Jackson than Phi trades up to the 1. Ainge would want way more than Philly would ever give.

Given that many draft analysts have ranked Fultz above Simmons, this seems like a ridiculous stance to take.

[cl2117]

I think the entire premise is flawed. The Celtics need quality, not quantity. Why trade a guaranteed #1 pick for a guy universally seen on a tier below Fultz? A future pick that may high lottery- or may be 10+? Seems like a ridiculous risk to take.

If the Celtics trade the pick, it'd be for an established talent. Piecing out your best asset into worse assets makes no sense for a team desperate for a consolidation trade.

I think the point is IF Ainge is going to be crazy and try to be smarter than everyone else and go with someone other than Fultz (or Ball), then there is no reason for him to stay at #1.

Fultz is going #1 now, no team would trade up to take anyone else. Ball will go #2 since the Lakers I think are locked in on him.

That means if Ainge wants to go for anyone outside of those two, then it makes sense to trade down to #3 rather than just wasting #1 on them when you know they'll still be there at #3. You pick up extra assets and still get the same guy you would have taken at #1.

So while it doesn't make sense to NOT take Fultz, it makes even less sense to NOT trade down to #3 if you are taking anyone other than him or Ball.

[Lovetron Joe]

The Celtics have plenty of other pieces they could add to #1 to get Simmons + #3 and have it be a fair trade. #1 and Brown for Simmons and #3 is a fairly simple one that does a lot to balance both teams' rosters. Each team gets a #1 pick with skills more complementary to its best player, and Jackson is a much better prospect than Brown was.

Simmons hasn't played a regular season game and Brown might be ROY (maybe because Simmons didn't play, maybe not). Simmons still might have a high ceiling, but Brown has shown he's got one FOR SURE this season. This actually takes us farther away than #3 for #1 for me.

Brown did not make the final three for ROY.

Rookie of the Year

Dario Saric (PHI)

Joel Embiid (PHI)

Malcolm Brogdon (MIL)