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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#21 » by basketballwacko2 » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:14 pm

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pacerfan1984 wrote:At the end of the day PG giving the Pacers two more guaranteed years to build a contender is fair IMO...it gives him time to get the DPE and gives Indy time to put better pieces around him. People tend to forget just a few years this team was the biggest threat to LBJ and the Heat. Now if the Pacers fail build around him and the Lakers or any other team for that matter makes more sense then by all means jump ship. He will still be 29 or 30 and very much in his prime. I feel the Pacers took a huge chance on him at #10 in the draft so maybe he should consider returning the favor and letting this new front office try to work their magic.

There is another Tibet about signing what people say he should it's the whole fact that at that point no matter what team he is on her can get a supermax for being a 10 year vet more reasons not to do a 2+1


The way I understand it the only way you can get a super max is from the the team that drafted you or a team that traded for you during your rookie contract. If he is traded now he will never get the Super Max even if he's the MVP of the league.
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#22 » by Kirito » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:24 pm

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The way I understand it the only way you can get a super max is from the the team that drafted you or a team that traded for you during your rookie contract. If he is traded now he will never get the Super Max even if he's the MVP of the league.

The maximum amount of money a player can sign for is based on the number of years that player has played and the total of the salary cap. The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years of experience is either $25,500,000 or 25% of the total salary cap (projected for 2017–18), whichever is greater. For a player with 7–9 years of experience, the maximum is $30,600,000 or 30% of the cap, and for a player with 10+ years of experience, the maximum is $35,700,000 or 35% of the cap.[13] There is an exception to this rule: a player is able to sign a contract for 105% of his previous contract, even if the new contract is higher than the league limit.[14]

Unless that changed in the new CBA i think you are confusing the new SuperMax that can be given to a player under 10 years in the league to the new SuperMax that can now be granted to a player with under 10 years in the league. Think of the Rose Rule
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#23 » by Kirito » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:26 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:
The way I understand it the only way you can get a super max is from the the team that drafted you or a team that traded for you during your rookie contract. If he is traded now he will never get the Super Max even if he's the MVP of the league.


"Kevin Durant" Rule

The provision in the 2017 CBA that will allow teams to create Designated Player contracts for their own veteran players, officially known as the "Designated Veteran Player Extension" (DVPE),[9] came to be called the "Kevin Durant Rule" because it was seen as a reaction to a wave of veteran superstars leaving their teams in free agency, capped off by Durant's departure from the Thunder to the Golden State Warriors in the 2016 offseason. The 2011 CBA allowed all of the teams that were trying to lure Durant to offer him the same initial salary of $26.5 million.[8]

For a veteran player to qualify for such an extension, he must be entering his eighth or ninth season in the NBA, and have either:

made the All-NBA team (at any level) in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons;
been named NBA Defensive Player of the Year in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons; or
been named NBA MVP at least once in the previous three seasons.

Additionally, the team offering the extension must have originally drafted the player, or obtained him in a trade while he was on his rookie contract.[8]

Players who qualify can be offered contracts with a starting salary between 30 and 35% of the salary cap. The extension cannot last more than five years after the expiration of the player's current contract (or five years for a player who is a free agent when signed), but can be negotiated and signed one year before the current contract expires. The extension can be offered to a team's own free agent as well as a player with time left on his contract.[9] Additionally, once a player signs a DVPE, he cannot be traded for one year.[30]

Ironically, while the rule was intended to encourage star players to stay with their current teams, the first major move by an NBA team involving a player eligible for the DVPE was the Sacramento Kings' trade of DeMarcus Cousins to the New Orleans Pelicans during the 2017 All-Star break. Cousins' contract with the Kings was not set to expire until 2018, but he was eligible to sign a DVPE after the 2016–17 season for up to $209 million over five years, a financial commitment that the Kings were apparently unwilling to make.[30]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#24 » by basketballwacko2 » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:34 pm

Ok kirito I'd like for you to figure out how to use the quote function properly because you're quoting me saying things that you said.
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#25 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:01 am

Kirito wrote:
"Kevin Durant" Rule

The provision in the 2017 CBA that will allow teams to create Designated Player contracts for their own veteran players, officially known as the "Designated Veteran Player Extension" (DVPE),[9] came to be called the "Kevin Durant Rule" because it was seen as a reaction to a wave of veteran superstars leaving their teams in free agency, capped off by Durant's departure from the Thunder to the Golden State Warriors in the 2016 offseason. The 2011 CBA allowed all of the teams that were trying to lure Durant to offer him the same initial salary of $26.5 million.[8]

For a veteran player to qualify for such an extension, he must be entering his eighth or ninth season in the NBA, and have either:

made the All-NBA team (at any level) in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons;
been named NBA Defensive Player of the Year in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons; or
been named NBA MVP at least once in the previous three seasons.

Additionally, the team offering the extension must have originally drafted the player, or obtained him in a trade while he was on his rookie contract.[8]


Players who qualify can be offered contracts with a starting salary between 30 and 35% of the salary cap. The extension cannot last more than five years after the expiration of the player's current contract (or five years for a player who is a free agent when signed), but can be negotiated and signed one year before the current contract expires. The extension can be offered to a team's own free agent as well as a player with time left on his contract.[9] Additionally, once a player signs a DVPE, he cannot be traded for one year.[30]

Ironically, while the rule was intended to encourage star players to stay with their current teams, the first major move by an NBA team involving a player eligible for the DVPE was the Sacramento Kings' trade of DeMarcus Cousins to the New Orleans Pelicans during the 2017 All-Star break. Cousins' contract with the Kings was not set to expire until 2018, but he was eligible to sign a DVPE after the 2016–17 season for up to $209 million over five years, a financial commitment that the Kings were apparently unwilling to make.[30]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap


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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#26 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:04 am

Players eligible for DVPE[edit]
Following the announcement of the 2016–17 All-NBA team, four players are eligible to sign DVPE contracts during the 2017 offseason. All four were named to one of the three All-NBA teams for that season; two were already eligible under the new criteria.[31]

Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors (met DVPE criteria before the 2016–17 season)
James Harden, Houston Rockets
John Wall, Washington Wizards
Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City Thunder (met DVPE criteria before the 2016–17 season)
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#27 » by Kirito » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:27 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:
Kirito wrote:
"Kevin Durant" Rule

The provision in the 2017 CBA that will allow teams to create Designated Player contracts for their own veteran players, officially known as the "Designated Veteran Player Extension" (DVPE),[9] came to be called the "Kevin Durant Rule" because it was seen as a reaction to a wave of veteran superstars leaving their teams in free agency, capped off by Durant's departure from the Thunder to the Golden State Warriors in the 2016 offseason. The 2011 CBA allowed all of the teams that were trying to lure Durant to offer him the same initial salary of $26.5 million.[8]

For a veteran player to qualify for such an extension, he must be entering his eighth or ninth season in the NBA, and have either:

made the All-NBA team (at any level) in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons;
been named NBA Defensive Player of the Year in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons; or
been named NBA MVP at least once in the previous three seasons.

Additionally, the team offering the extension must have originally drafted the player, or obtained him in a trade while he was on his rookie contract.[8]


Players who qualify can be offered contracts with a starting salary between 30 and 35% of the salary cap. The extension cannot last more than five years after the expiration of the player's current contract (or five years for a player who is a free agent when signed), but can be negotiated and signed one year before the current contract expires. The extension can be offered to a team's own free agent as well as a player with time left on his contract.[9] Additionally, once a player signs a DVPE, he cannot be traded for one year.[30]

Ironically, while the rule was intended to encourage star players to stay with their current teams, the first major move by an NBA team involving a player eligible for the DVPE was the Sacramento Kings' trade of DeMarcus Cousins to the New Orleans Pelicans during the 2017 All-Star break. Cousins' contract with the Kings was not set to expire until 2018, but he was eligible to sign a DVPE after the 2016–17 season for up to $209 million over five years, a financial commitment that the Kings were apparently unwilling to make.[30]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap


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You read that whole thing and missed that?
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#28 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:44 am

Kirito wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:
Kirito wrote:
"Kevin Durant" Rule

The provision in the 2017 CBA that will allow teams to create Designated Player contracts for their own veteran players, officially known as the "Designated Veteran Player Extension" (DVPE),[9] came to be called the "Kevin Durant Rule" because it was seen as a reaction to a wave of veteran superstars leaving their teams in free agency, capped off by Durant's departure from the Thunder to the Golden State Warriors in the 2016 offseason. The 2011 CBA allowed all of the teams that were trying to lure Durant to offer him the same initial salary of $26.5 million.[8]

For a veteran player to qualify for such an extension, he must be entering his eighth or ninth season in the NBA, and have either:

made the All-NBA team (at any level) in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons;
been named NBA Defensive Player of the Year in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons; or
been named NBA MVP at least once in the previous three seasons.

Additionally,
the team offering the extension must have originally drafted the player, or obtained him in a trade while he was on his rookie contract.[8][/color]


Players who qualify can be offered contracts with a starting salary between 30 and 35% of the salary cap. The extension cannot last more than five years after the expiration of the player's current contract (or five years for a player who is a free agent when signed), but can be negotiated and signed one year before the current contract expires. The extension can be offered to a team's own free agent as well as a player with time left on his contract.[9] Additionally, once a player signs a DVPE, he cannot be traded for one year.[30]

Ironically, while the rule was intended to encourage star players to stay with their current teams, the first major move by an NBA team involving a player eligible for the DVPE was the Sacramento Kings' trade of DeMarcus Cousins to the New Orleans Pelicans during the 2017 All-Star break. Cousins' contract with the Kings was not set to expire until 2018, but he was eligible to sign a DVPE after the 2016–17 season for up to $209 million over five years, a financial commitment that the Kings were apparently unwilling to make.[30]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap


Read what you wrote the part in blue.

You read that whole thing and missed that?


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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#29 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:49 am

There are 3 elements to the requirement
1. Player entering 8 or 9th yr.

2. made the All-NBA team (at any level) in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons;
been named NBA Defensive Player of the Year in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons; or
been named NBA MVP at least once in the previous three seasons.

3. Additionally, the team offering the extension must have originally drafted the player, or obtained him in a trade while he was on his rookie contract.
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Post#30 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:51 am

So if you can follow logic #3 is the key if he's not on the team that drafted him or a team that traded for him in his rookie contract, he is not eligible for the Super Max.


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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#31 » by Kirito » Wed Jun 7, 2017 1:18 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:There are 3 elements to the requirement
1. Player entering 8 or 9th yr.

2. made the All-NBA team (at any level) in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons;
been named NBA Defensive Player of the Year in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons; or
been named NBA MVP at least once in the previous three seasons.

3. Additionally, the team offering the extension must have originally drafted the player, or obtained him in a trade while he was on his rookie contract.

Loll for someone who is taking shots at other it's funny how you don't understand that the extension your talking about is for players before year 10 by the time the contract that the OP is suggesting it would be year 10 ie the Durant Rule does not matter maybe you should point what you said to me to yourself
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#32 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 1:44 am

We were talking about the "Designated Player" contract extension weren't we? I don't recall anything being said about anything else.
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#33 » by Kirito » Wed Jun 7, 2017 2:03 am

There is another Tibet about signing what people say he should it's the whole fact that at that point no matter what team he is on her can get a supermax for being a 10 year vet more reasons not to do a 2+1


The way I understand it the only way you can get a super max is from the the team that drafted you or a team that traded for you during your rookie contract. If he is traded now he will never get the Super Max even if he's the MVP of the league.

We were talking about the "Designated Player" contract extension weren't we? I don't recall anything being said about anything else.


Lol yeah sure you dont recall your just mad you got pwned you spent to much time trying to be smug instead of you know reading anything that you said or anyone else said
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#34 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 2:07 am

OK get of the Pacers board I'm reporting you for trolling. This post 33 is at least the 3rd time you've quoted me as saying something that you said.
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#35 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 2:19 am

Kirito wrote:Lol yeah sure you dont recall your just mad you got pwned you spent to much time trying to be smug instead of you know reading anything that you said or anyone else said


You are clearly misquoting people and then calling them smug based on misquoted posts so I think it's time for this conversation to end since it is out of context and you are making it personal.
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#36 » by Kirito » Wed Jun 7, 2017 2:37 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Kirito wrote:Lol yeah sure you dont recall your just mad you got pwned you spent to much time trying to be smug instead of you know reading anything that you said or anyone else said


You are clearly misquoting people and then calling them smug based on misquoted posts so I think it's time for this conversation to end since it is out of context and you are making it personal.

lol he says this
You didn't take logic in school did you? Are you a product of the California Public School system?

Yet i am the one who is making stuff personal? He takes a clear shot at a person and a whole state thats ok but calling a person smug is wrong....

Saying someone is the product of California public school system is smug to put it lightly
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Post#37 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 2:47 am

Kirito wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Kirito wrote:Lol yeah sure you dont recall your just mad you got pwned you spent to much time trying to be smug instead of you know reading anything that you said or anyone else said


You are clearly misquoting people and then calling them smug based on misquoted posts so I think it's time for this conversation to end since it is out of context and you are making it personal.

lol he says this
You didn't take logic in school did you? Are you a product of the California Public School system?

Yet i am the one who is making stuff personal? He takes a clear shot at a person and a whole state thats ok but calling a person smug is wrong....

Saying someone is the product of California public school system is smug to put it lightly


If he did say that, and your quote isn't messed up again, then that isn't appropriate either. But regardless, you are clearly misquoting him and putting words in his mouth. You didn't get any official warning logged or anything. I was just mentioning it's probably best this conversation ends. If things are getting personal both ways, more the reason.
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#38 » by Kirito » Wed Jun 7, 2017 2:55 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Kirito wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
You are clearly misquoting people and then calling them smug based on misquoted posts so I think it's time for this conversation to end since it is out of context and you are making it personal.

lol he says this
You didn't take logic in school did you? Are you a product of the California Public School system?

Yet i am the one who is making stuff personal? He takes a clear shot at a person and a whole state thats ok but calling a person smug is wrong....

Saying someone is the product of California public school system is smug to put it lightly


If he did say that, and your quote isn't messed up again, then that isn't appropriate either. But regardless, you are clearly misquoting him and putting words in his mouth. You didn't get any official warning logged or anything. I was just mentioning it's probably best this conversation ends. If things are getting personal both ways, more the reason.


there i have fixed all the quotes so i can be accused of miss quoting
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#39 » by Wizop » Wed Jun 7, 2017 1:19 pm

could we all try to edit quotes to only show what is necessary to give context to our replies. I find that easy on my computer and difficult on my phone so I understand it isn't always practical but we all should do what we can to avoid the same lengthy quotations appearing over and over again in message after message.
Please edit long quotes to only show what puts your new message into context.
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Re: Is It Possible That PG Signs A Shorter Term Deal? 

Post#40 » by chube » Wed Jun 7, 2017 3:24 pm

I'm sure he values security, but it's possible that Lebron and Durant have started a trend of timing out contracts so that you're a free agent in year 10 where you can get better deals


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