Frank Ntilikina

[Gam]

Fox didnt workout, all he did was interview and get measured. Unless u do the athletic testing the combine isnt going to help u. The same teams fox impressed he would impress with individual visits

He still went to the combine for interviews and teams fell in love with his charisma. Some teams have him before Ball now apparently. So I'd say it helped him.

Again that has zero to do with the combine but ok sir

...Except it happened at the combine.


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[WalterBenjamin]

I feel like he's a guy who could have really benefited from the Combine.

I preasume he has a job to do in Europe

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[doordoor123]

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I don't know if I want to care if he's a point guard and has elite speed or not. He has too much upside not to be a top player in this draft. If this was me drafting I'd have him pretty high up.

[GimmeDat]

That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

[916fan]

That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

Ntilikina is a weird case. He's a 6'5 guard who's learning to play PG. It's a unique case. Imo, I think he's a SG learning to play PG, but even then, he has amazing length and size for SGs too.
To answer your question:
Baldwin measured 6'4 in shoes with a 6'11.25 wingspan.
Brogdon is at 6'5.5 with a 6'10.5 wingspan.
Malachi Richardson is at 6'6.5 with a 7'0 wingspan
Luwawu is around 6'7 with a 7'0 wingspan
It seems like the NBA is trending towards combo-guards, so this benefits Ntilikina in the long run too. But in terms of size, it seems like the "normal" size for a PG is 6'3 with at least a 6'4 wingspan. For SGs, it's 6'5 with at least a 6'8 wingspan.

I have no clue why, but it feels like prospects between 5-25 are being slept on this year.. might be because it's still the finals, but the draft coverage has died off. Ntilikina is going under the radar for a guy who's a lotto talent.

[GimmeDat]

That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

Ntilikina is a weird case. He's a 6'5 guard who's learning to play PG. It's a unique case. Imo, I think he's a SG learning to play PG, but even then, he has amazing length and size for SGs too.
To answer your question:
Baldwin measured 6'4 in shoes with a 6'11.25 wingspan.
Brogdon is at 6'5.5 with a 6'10.5 wingspan.
Malachi Richardson is at 6'6.5 with a 7'0 wingspan
Luwawu is around 6'7 with a 7'0 wingspan
It seems like the NBA is trending towards combo-guards, so this benefits Ntilikina in the long run too. But in terms of size, it seems like the "normal" size for a PG is 6'3 with at least a 6'4 wingspan. For SGs, it's 6'5 with at least a 6'8 wingspan.

I have no clue why, but it feels like prospects between 5-25 are being slept on this year.. might be because it's still the finals, but the draft coverage has died off. Ntilikina is going under the radar for a guy who's a lotto talent.

When I was looking at Baldwin last year, I almost felt his wingspan hurt his ability to handle. I feel the same way about Ntilikina (though he does have very decent handles considering). I ultimately feel like he'll be a 2, but with better on ball abilities than most SG's. In a league where dual PG lineups isn't that out of place, I think you can easily run him with another PG, especially given his shooting progress.

[doordoor123]

That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

Ntilikina is a weird case. He's a 6'5 guard who's learning to play PG. It's a unique case. Imo, I think he's a SG learning to play PG, but even then, he has amazing length and size for SGs too.
To answer your question:
Baldwin measured 6'4 in shoes with a 6'11.25 wingspan.
Brogdon is at 6'5.5 with a 6'10.5 wingspan.
Malachi Richardson is at 6'6.5 with a 7'0 wingspan
Luwawu is around 6'7 with a 7'0 wingspan
It seems like the NBA is trending towards combo-guards, so this benefits Ntilikina in the long run too. But in terms of size, it seems like the "normal" size for a PG is 6'3 with at least a 6'4 wingspan. For SGs, it's 6'5 with at least a 6'8 wingspan.

I have no clue why, but it feels like prospects between 5-25 are being slept on this year.. might be because it's still the finals, but the draft coverage has died off. Ntilikina is going under the radar for a guy who's a lotto talent.

The issue is that there are too many upside pick in that draft range and there are also too many good seniors that make up the second round/undrafted. A lot of people like the second round a lot because those guys aren't upside swings.

[mattao313]

That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

Ntilikina is a weird case. He's a 6'5 guard who's learning to play PG. It's a unique case. Imo, I think he's a SG learning to play PG, but even then, he has amazing length and size for SGs too.
To answer your question:
Baldwin measured 6'4 in shoes with a 6'11.25 wingspan.
Brogdon is at 6'5.5 with a 6'10.5 wingspan.
Malachi Richardson is at 6'6.5 with a 7'0 wingspan
Luwawu is around 6'7 with a 7'0 wingspan
It seems like the NBA is trending towards combo-guards, so this benefits Ntilikina in the long run too. But in terms of size, it seems like the "normal" size for a PG is 6'3 with at least a 6'4 wingspan. For SGs, it's 6'5 with at least a 6'8 wingspan.

I have no clue why, but it feels like prospects between 5-25 are being slept on this year.. might be because it's still the finals, but the draft coverage has died off. Ntilikina is going under the radar for a guy who's a lotto talent.

When I was looking at Baldwin last year, I almost felt his wingspan hurt his ability to handle. I feel the same way about Ntilikina (though he does have very decent handles considering). I ultimately feel like he'll be a 2, but with better on ball abilities than most SG's. In a league where dual PG lineups isn't that out of place, I think you can easily run him with another PG, especially given his shooting progress.

I think its just lack of handle in general guys like Reggie Jackson, Jamal Crawford, Tyreke Evans are great ball handlers.

[doordoor123]

Ntilikina is a weird case. He's a 6'5 guard who's learning to play PG. It's a unique case. Imo, I think he's a SG learning to play PG, but even then, he has amazing length and size for SGs too.
To answer your question:
Baldwin measured 6'4 in shoes with a 6'11.25 wingspan.
Brogdon is at 6'5.5 with a 6'10.5 wingspan.
Malachi Richardson is at 6'6.5 with a 7'0 wingspan
Luwawu is around 6'7 with a 7'0 wingspan
It seems like the NBA is trending towards combo-guards, so this benefits Ntilikina in the long run too. But in terms of size, it seems like the "normal" size for a PG is 6'3 with at least a 6'4 wingspan. For SGs, it's 6'5 with at least a 6'8 wingspan.

I have no clue why, but it feels like prospects between 5-25 are being slept on this year.. might be because it's still the finals, but the draft coverage has died off. Ntilikina is going under the radar for a guy who's a lotto talent.

When I was looking at Baldwin last year, I almost felt his wingspan hurt his ability to handle. I feel the same way about Ntilikina (though he does have very decent handles considering). I ultimately feel like he'll be a 2, but with better on ball abilities than most SG's. In a league where dual PG lineups isn't that out of place, I think you can easily run him with another PG, especially given his shooting progress.

I think its just lack of handle in general guys like Reggie Jackson, Jamal Crawford, Tyreke Evans are great ball handlers.

At the same time, he's a good slasher. He's like a bigger Manu.

[mattao313]

When I was looking at Baldwin last year, I almost felt his wingspan hurt his ability to handle. I feel the same way about Ntilikina (though he does have very decent handles considering). I ultimately feel like he'll be a 2, but with better on ball abilities than most SG's. In a league where dual PG lineups isn't that out of place, I think you can easily run him with another PG, especially given his shooting progress.

I think its just lack of handle in general guys like Reggie Jackson, Jamal Crawford, Tyreke Evans are great ball handlers.

At the same time, he's a good slasher. He's like a bigger Manu.

IDk about that he seems much more comfortable shooting jumpers and his isn't that quick, kinda reminds me of Reggie Jackson even thought Reggie handles and first step helps him in pnr situations while I don't really see that in Frank. Maybe a post injuries Eric Gordon type offensive game.

[freewhitemoon]

That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

reggie jackson supposedly has a 7 foot wingspan at 6'3

Probably an exaggeration but Frank's 7'1 might be as well

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Ntilikina also has gigantic hands as well, for a guard. Dude has considerable upside. I tend to think he could be Avery Bradley, with some PG capability and thus more upside.

[Patsfan1081]

I think Frank is a better Avery Bradley. Combo more than PG. great fit with a ball dominant SG.

I don't know how you could say this know with how little info there is out there on the kid. Wasn't Bradley the highest rated highschool player in the nation coming out?

[OFWGKTA]

That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

reggie jackson supposedly has a 7 foot wingspan at 6'3

Probably an exaggeration but Frank's 7'1 might be as well

I think Rondo's is 7' as well

[Patsfan1081]

4.8 ppg. 1 apg. in French league. You can't overlook his stats. Ball obviously doesn't play against men, but at least with Ball we don't have an evidence that he would struggle against them. I think thats the biggest difference between the two from the stock value point of view. College is always better to inflate your stock, if Domantas Sabonis stayed in Spain for example, i guarantee you he would never have jumped into lottery like he did. Not saying that Ball stock is all just inflated air, he is obviously very good, I am just saying. If you want to compete with college toppers, you have to do better than 4.8 points per game.

Yeah , I just don't understand how people can say they have a good read on this kid with how little he's played and produced. People tend to fall in love with physical tools I guess. Then you look at somone like Zizic who's played great in the Euro league for somone his age and people don't get excited because he doesn't have crazy traits for a big man or the projected high ceiling.

[brannigan73]

Ntilikina has played against suspect competition. Lets dial back the hype a little bit. He is slated to go around 10 and that seems about right to me. To try to push him in front of guys like Monk and Dennis Smith. Uh no.

[Slartibartfast]

Jerian Grant with more length/vision?

[Mirotic12]

Yeah , I just don't understand how people can say they have a good read on this kid with how little he's played and produced. People tend to fall in love with physical tools I guess. Then you look at somone like Zizic who's played great in the Euro league for somone his age and people don't get excited because he doesn't have crazy traits for a big man or the projected high ceiling.

Ntilikina was in his team's rotation all season. So I'm not sure why that would be considered a small amount of playing time. His numbers are not that good, which has already been discussed here. It's normal for a player that age. As far as Zizic goes...he was good in EuroLeague this season, but nothing remotely close to "great".

Ntilikina has played against suspect competition. Lets dial back the hype a little bit. He is slated to go around 10 and that seems about right to me. To try to push him in front of guys like Monk and Dennis Smith. Uh no.

The top level French League and the BCL (Basketball Champions League) where he played this season, are both far higher levels than the NCAA is. So if he played at a suspect level of competition, then every single college player in the draft also did.

Those leagues are much better than any conference in NCAA.

[cedric76]

Yeah , I just don't understand how people can say they have a good read on this kid with how little he's played and produced. People tend to fall in love with physical tools I guess. Then you look at somone like Zizic who's played great in the Euro league for somone his age and people don't get excited because he doesn't have crazy traits for a big man or the projected high ceiling.

Ntilikina was in his team's rotation all season. So I'm not sure why that would be considered a small amount of playing time. His numbers are not that good, which has already been discussed here. It's normal for a player that age. As far as Zizic goes...he was good in EuroLeague this season, but nothing remotely close to "great".

Ntilikina has played against suspect competition. Lets dial back the hype a little bit. He is slated to go around 10 and that seems about right to me. To try to push him in front of guys like Monk and Dennis Smith. Uh no.

The top level French League and the BCL (Basketball Champions League) where he played this season, are both far higher levels than the NCAA is. So if he played at a suspect level of competition, then every single college player in the draft also did.

Those leagues are much better than any conference in NCAA.

Well said