2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[OleSchool]

What is the translatable elite level skill that Jackson brings to the game? I bought in on the elite level wing defender who can score, but the measurable and tape don't support that for me. He didn't appear to dominate guards/wings on defense, and doesn't appear to have the length to have the edge on pro 4's. Shooting had been addressed ad nauseum and is a negative as well. How us he consensus top 3?

Cause of how meh this draft is

[51X3RF4N]

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Yeah I would have no problem trading back for 5 & 10 when this would be the supposed "worst" case lol

I've been saying for a while now that I think Frank is a good fit, and would love him but only at the right spot. Ideally, I'd like Jackson and Frank, or Monk and Frank. If you told me I could have Malik Monk and Frank Ntikilina OR just Josh Jackson...I would take Malik and Frank.

I'd even give up a second round pick or 2 to make that happen. And Okafor.

On offense, Frank helps handle PG duties with Ben, while Malik is strictly off ball. And Covington can even play 4 with Saric at the 5 in small ball offensive sets.

You match Frank and Malik up with the best guard and worst guard on the opposing side on defense.

Embiid, Simmons, Ntikilina and Covington on defense is really tough.

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[LloydFree]

Big Board top 20 as of 6/7/17

Tier 1: Potential All-stars
01. Lonzo Ball
02. Josh Jackson

Tier 2: Potential Solid Starters
03.Dennis Smith Jr
04.Jonathan Isaac
05. Markelle Fultz
06. DeAaron Fox
07. Jason Tatum
08. Zach Collins

Tier 3: Potential high level role players
09. Malik Monk - 6th man scorer
10. Donavan Mitchell - 3 & D combo guard
11. Jordan Bell - Defensive Specialist
12. Juwan Evans - Back-up PG, who can start if in right situation
13. Frank Ntilikina - 3 & D combo guard
14. Tyler Lydon - Stretch 4, that Rebounds
15. Caleb Swanigan - Jamychael Green type swing starter, (lost a lot of weight which could raise ceiling)
16. Lauri Markkanen - Ryan Anderson type stretch 4
17. Sindarius Thornwell - Wes Matthews type high level glue guy
18. Semi Ojeleye - PJ Tucker glue guy
19. PJ Dozier - Jeremy Lamb type playmaking guard off bench
20. Jonathan Motley - Energy guy 4, that will give you some blocks, some rebs and score a little​

[Negrodamus]

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Still want him with a second rounder. Will be a catch and shoot 3 at the next level like Covington. Not nearly the steal machine, but is more versatile offensively than Cov was coming out.

[Unbreakable99]

I still won't believe that Danny Ainge selects Markelle Fultz, until I actually see it. I just can't see Ainge putting himself in position to watch his historical rival get Lonzo Ball, then have to listen to the comparisons and/or criticisms of that pick until they both retire. And I also can't believe he'd want to allow his team to have to watch the 76ers run with Simmons, Jackson and Embiid for the next 5-7 years. He can't​ let that happen. I just can't see it.

Ainge isn't a good drafter so it seems definitely possible he drafts Fultz.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Why would Ainge care about letting a "historical rival" who doesn't even play in the same conference take Lonzo Ball, when they could take the consensus best player in the draft by almost every scout and executive involved in basketball?

If anything, Ainge should be afraid of passing on Fultz's talent.

Sixers board contrarianism in full swing right now.

[Sportfan73]

Dsj cancelled his workout with NYK today. Wonder if there's a team before them he already knows will take him for sure.


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[Unbreakable99]

Why would Ainge care about letting a "historical rival" who doesn't even play in the same conference take Lonzo Ball, when they could take the consensus best player in the draft by almost every scout and executive involved in basketball?

If anything, Ainge should be afraid of passing on Fultz's talent.

Sixers board contrarianism in full swing right now.

I have seen other people say Fultz isn't the best player in the draft and it's Ball. I really don't get the infatuation that Fultz is the best. It's like people are willing it to be true and just saying it makes it true.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Why would Ainge care about letting a "historical rival" who doesn't even play in the same conference take Lonzo Ball, when they could take the consensus best player in the draft by almost every scout and executive involved in basketball?

If anything, Ainge should be afraid of passing on Fultz's talent.

Sixers board contrarianism in full swing right now.

I have seen other people say Fultz isn't the best player in the draft and it's Ball. I really don't get the infatuation that Fultz is the best. It's like people are willing it to be true and just saying it makes it true.

I think it's more the other way around. Fultz is an amazing scorer, he rebounds, he passes the ball, and he has defensive potential. In a league that has pretty much phased out defense and has become a scoring league, he also fits today's game perfectly.

People are just trying to be contrarians and it's like if they keep saying it and saying it, it will come true.

Or Sixers fans are in denial that they missed out on the #1 pick, and this is a way to soften your disappointment that we won't get Fultz unless they trade up.

[Unbreakable99]

Why would Ainge care about letting a "historical rival" who doesn't even play in the same conference take Lonzo Ball, when they could take the consensus best player in the draft by almost every scout and executive involved in basketball?

If anything, Ainge should be afraid of passing on Fultz's talent.

Sixers board contrarianism in full swing right now.

I have seen other people say Fultz isn't the best player in the draft and it's Ball. I really don't get the infatuation that Fultz is the best. It's like people are willing it to be true and just saying it makes it true.

I think it's more the other way around. Fultz is an amazing scorer, he rebounds, he passes the ball, and he has defensive potential. In a league that has pretty much phased out defense and has become a scoring league, he also fits today's game perfectly.

People are just trying to be contrarians and it's like if they keep saying it and saying it, it will come true.

Or Sixers fans are in denial that they missed out on the #1 pick, and this is a way to soften your disappointment that we won't get Fultz unless they trade up.

Nope. Not me. If we got the top pick I would be saying to take Ball. I have been saying Ball and Jackson are better than Fultz for months. I don't change because we are picking third. I said all last year Simmons was the best prospect and had we been picking second I would have said Simmons's was the top prospect. Fultz does fit today's game and would be a good fit with us though. I won't deny that. I just like others better. I'm not disappointed we didn't get the top pick. I wanted that Lakers pick though. I'm more disappointed in that than not getting the top pick.

[the_process]

Dsj cancelled his workout with NYK today. Wonder if there's a team before them he already knows will take him for sure.


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From what I can find, looks like DSJ sat down with Phil and Knicks brass and had some meetings and a light workout.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Why would Ainge care about letting a "historical rival" who doesn't even play in the same conference take Lonzo Ball, when they could take the consensus best player in the draft by almost every scout and executive involved in basketball?

If anything, Ainge should be afraid of passing on Fultz's talent.

Sixers board contrarianism in full swing right now.

I have seen other people say Fultz isn't the best player in the draft and it's Ball. I really don't get the infatuation that Fultz is the best. It's like people are willing it to be true and just saying it makes it true.

I think it's more the other way around. Fultz is an amazing scorer, he rebounds, he passes the ball, and he has defensive potential. In a league that has pretty much phased out defense and has become a scoring league, he also fits today's game perfectly.

People are just trying to be contrarians and it's like if they keep saying it and saying it, it will come true.

Or Sixers fans are in denial that they missed out on the #1 pick, and this is a way to soften your disappointment that we won't get Fultz unless they trade up.

You must not have been in this thread during the college basketball season. The takes were even worse if you can believe that.

The mental gymnastics that will occur when Ainge takes Fultz is gonna be hilarious. I've seen people in this thread say Ainge is the best GM in the league, those same people are gonna be like well Ainge only took Fultz because of the fan/pundit pressure. The same Ainge that traded away the franchises 2nd leading scorer and has drafted whoever the hell he wants for years regardless of fit or where they were mocked at the time. All of the sudden after getting the #1 seed in the conference and #1 pick is gonna be under fan pressure lol.

Couldn't possibly be because he thinks Fultz is the best player in the draft XD

[LongLiveHinkie]

I have seen other people say Fultz isn't the best player in the draft and it's Ball. I really don't get the infatuation that Fultz is the best. It's like people are willing it to be true and just saying it makes it true.

I think it's more the other way around. Fultz is an amazing scorer, he rebounds, he passes the ball, and he has defensive potential. In a league that has pretty much phased out defense and has become a scoring league, he also fits today's game perfectly.

People are just trying to be contrarians and it's like if they keep saying it and saying it, it will come true.

Or Sixers fans are in denial that they missed out on the #1 pick, and this is a way to soften your disappointment that we won't get Fultz unless they trade up.

You must not have been in this thread during the college basketball season. The takes were even worse if you can believe that.

The mental gymnastics that will occur when Ainge takes Fultz is gonna be hilarious. I've seen people in this thread say Ainge is the best GM in the league, those same people are gonna be like well Ainge only took Fultz because of the fan/pundit pressure. The same Ainge that traded away the franchises 2nd leading scorer and has drafted whoever the hell he wants for years regardless of fit or where they were mocked at the time. All of the sudden after getting the #1 seed in the conference and #1 pick is gonna be under fan pressure lol.

Couldn't possibly be because he thinks Fultz is the best player in the draft XD

As long as people don't try to argue Lonzo averaging 10/5/4 is having a better season than Fultz averaging 19/5/5, for some sanctimonious pretentious subjective bull**** like "Lonzo Ball just makes winning plays and sets up his teammates and knows how to win!"

The agenda seems in on Fultz and I don't see it changing even if he's clearly better when he comes into the league.

[76ciology]

If Ainge ain't drafting Fultz, he'll trade it

[LloydFree]

If Ainge ain't drafting Fultz, he'll trade it

I believe one of two things will happen. A week before the draft we'll start getting inside sources saying the Celtics like Josh Jackson, preparing the public for the pick OR the Celtics are trading​ the pick to Chicago for Butler. I don't believe they'll select Fultz.

[KrazySixersD]

Anyone who thinks ball is a better prospect than fultz needs to do a self checking lmao.. like... I dont even have words

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Team seems to be really high on Bell.

[Unbreakable99]

I think it's more the other way around. Fultz is an amazing scorer, he rebounds, he passes the ball, and he has defensive potential. In a league that has pretty much phased out defense and has become a scoring league, he also fits today's game perfectly.

People are just trying to be contrarians and it's like if they keep saying it and saying it, it will come true.

Or Sixers fans are in denial that they missed out on the #1 pick, and this is a way to soften your disappointment that we won't get Fultz unless they trade up.

You must not have been in this thread during the college basketball season. The takes were even worse if you can believe that.

The mental gymnastics that will occur when Ainge takes Fultz is gonna be hilarious. I've seen people in this thread say Ainge is the best GM in the league, those same people are gonna be like well Ainge only took Fultz because of the fan/pundit pressure. The same Ainge that traded away the franchises 2nd leading scorer and has drafted whoever the hell he wants for years regardless of fit or where they were mocked at the time. All of the sudden after getting the #1 seed in the conference and #1 pick is gonna be under fan pressure lol.

Couldn't possibly be because he thinks Fultz is the best player in the draft XD

As long as people don't try to argue Lonzo averaging 10/5/4 is having a better season than Fultz averaging 19/5/5, for some sanctimonious pretentious subjective bull**** like "Lonzo Ball just makes winning plays and sets up his teammates and knows how to win!"

The agenda seems in on Fultz and I don't see it changing even if he's clearly better when he comes into the league.

If Fultz winds up better I'll say he's better. I have no agenda. And if Ball has a better VORP and win shares than Fultz I don't want to hear people making up sanctimonius pretentious subjective BS like "Fultz doesn't play as many minutes because he's on a better team."

[eagereyez]

I've seen Vorp used more on the Sixers board than on all of the bigger boards combined. I don't think I'll ever know why.

[Unbreakable99]

I've seen Vorp used more on the Sixers board than on all of the bigger boards combined. I don't think I'll ever know why.

Should we just go by points and rebounds and assists and just count stats?