official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[NBA Fan 1234]

New York Knicks fans are so unreasonable. How about this
Detroit trades Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson and the 12th to NY for Carmelo and Porginzis?

let the firestorm begin...or just ignore

You seriously just called us unreasonable and came up with that trade proposal?

We'll do that for Carmelo and take Jackson's contract off your hands to go along with everything else. Hell you can swap Lee for your bad contracts too.

You proved my point. Unlike most fans, I don't make unreasonable lopsided trade proposals in favor of my team. If one happens I will be happy. Click the links below to see what the Pistons surrendered for Reggie Jackson, Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris. As I have always said, Pistons got one for a song, one for a dinner and one for a dance. These were trades that I never would have suggested considering what the Pistons surrendered.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/02/19/reggie-jackson-detroit-pistons-thunder/23687861/

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2016/02/report_detroit_pistons_acquire_2.html

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13190390/phoenix-suns-send-marcus-morris-danny-granger-reggie-bullock-detroit-pistons

How the hell can you come in here and say "I don't make unreasonable lopsided trade proposals in favor of my team" after posting that garbage trade for KP and Melo?

If you don't like trades people are posting, that's fine...but doing what you just did (generalizing, baiting, and posting a **** trade) and not expect a firestorm.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Melo for TT, Shump, 2022 First (no protection), 2023 swap.

And we trade them KOQ for the Dunleavy T.E they have.

Love/KOQ
Melo/Frye
LeBron/RJ/Osman
JR/Korver
Kyrie/Felder

Plus ring chasers.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I would trade Melo for Love immediately. At least Love is a tradeable asset that you could get players/picks from. We can't do **** with Melo's stubborn ass. Love probably has more trade value regardless, but Cleveland might feel desperate enough to make a chance. if Melo gives the OK, you gotta take it.

Except Cleveland won't trade Love.

[duetta]

Anthony to Cleveland makes sense after this whooping, but only from their end. Can't see what they could give us that would make it worth our while, since they're not better if they trade Love to get Anthony. They need to build their own superteam to complete with a Warriors superteam completely healthy.

[newyorker4ever]

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Hoiberg is on the short list for the Ohio State job. I think this could actually be a good thing for a possible Melo trade. Butler was not a fan of Hoiberg so him leaving could make it more likely Butler stays if he gets to help choose the next coach. With Wade opting-in, I also dont think the Bulls would want to trade Butler and would instead try to compete.

Seems like Jimmy would love to get Melo in a Bulls jersey.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/does_jimmy_butler_want_the_bulls_to_go_after_carmelo_anthony/s1_12680_24114553?ref=yfp

As the entire Jimmy Butler saga in Chicago prepares to play out later this summer, there’s still a strong chance that he could be traded. There were rumors surrounding the All-Star heading up to February’s trade deadline, but the Bulls decided to hang on to their franchise player.

Now, following a first-round playoff exit and with widespread questions about the future of Chicago’s roster, it sure looks like Butler himself is making some back channel noise about acquiring fellow All-Star Carmelo Anthony.

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To be clear, this is an intriguing possibility. Assuming Dwyane Wade decides to remain in Chicago, the idea of adding Anthony could make some sense. We already know Wade and Anthony are friends. And with Butler still in his prime, this has the look of a potential contender back East.

There are, however, two issues here.

First off, both Wade and Anthony are on the back ends of their careers. At 35 years old, Wade is still going strong. He averaged 18.3 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game in his first year with the Bulls.

Though, there still has to be lingering questions about Anthony’s ability to live up to his contract on a contending team. Sure, he put up solid numbers for a bad New York Knicks squad last season. But at 33 years old and set to earn north of $54 million over the next two seasons, these questions are real.

Secondly, the Bulls cannot afford to give up future assets for Anthony. The idea of dealing potential long-term contributors for someone of Anthony’s ilk doesn’t seem too promising. Just ask the Brooklyn Nets how that has worked out.

On the surface, Anthony to the Bulls could make sense. But a lot would have to fall in place for this to work out, primarily the type of package the Knicks and president Phil Jackson would demand from his former team.

[Im Coming Home]

New York Knicks fans are so unreasonable. How about this
Detroit trades Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson and the 12th to NY for Carmelo and Porginzis?

let the firestorm begin...or just ignore

You seriously just called us unreasonable and came up with that trade proposal?

We'll do that for Carmelo and take Jackson's contract off your hands to go along with everything else. Hell you can swap Lee for your bad contracts too.

You proved my point. Unlike most fans, I don't make unreasonable lopsided trade proposals in favor of my team. If one happens I will be happy. Click the links below to see what the Pistons surrendered for Reggie Jackson, Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris. As I have always said, Pistons got one for a song, one for a dinner and one for a dance. These were trades that I never would have suggested considering what the Pistons surrendered.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/02/19/reggie-jackson-detroit-pistons-thunder/23687861/

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2016/02/report_detroit_pistons_acquire_2.html

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13190390/phoenix-suns-send-marcus-morris-danny-granger-reggie-bullock-detroit-pistons

Way to contradict yourself. You seem very dense.

[NOOB77]

I thought with Wade coming back with Butler and Rondo the Bulls are the on the top of the list. With the Cavs and which ever team CP3 goes to.

[HarthorneWingo]

Anthony to Cleveland makes sense after this whooping, but only from their end. Can't see what they could give us that would make it worth our while, since they're not better if they trade Love to get Anthony. They need to build their own superteam to complete with a Warriors superteam completely healthy.

Maybe they can make a trade to acquire things we want?

[moocow007]

Anthony to Cleveland makes sense after this whooping, but only from their end. Can't see what they could give us that would make it worth our while, since they're not better if they trade Love to get Anthony. They need to build their own superteam to complete with a Warriors superteam completely healthy.

Maybe they can make a trade to acquire things we want?

While they're not the Clips in terms of no assets (outside of both teams "Big 3") they also aren't exactly brimming at the seems in assets. Tristan Thompson is probably their best trade asset and I'm not sure how valuable he's seen around the league. Kyle Korver is a UFA so he doesn't really offer optimal value in terms of trades. Maybe Channing Frye will get something but if folks are complaining that Kyle O'Quinn can't get a late 1st then I don't see Frye getting a late 1st either (to route back to the Knicks) as Frye is more of a niche guy, is older than and is being paid much more than O'Quinn. That's about it. Kay Felder would probably go to NY but Felder was a 2nd round pick so not really much value there. They could try to trade Shumpert and/or Smith I guess.

[Bill Pidto]

New York Knicks fans are so unreasonable. How about this
Detroit trades Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson and the 12th to NY for Carmelo and Porginzis?

let the firestorm begin...or just ignore

I gave you an And1 just for being a total dumb ass.

[NoLayupRule]

Ok

The main issue with moving melo is the teams who want him and he wants have so little to offer in return

They are all stacked in win now mode and have older players and limited picks

However both Portland and Detroit have come out dangling picks in this years draft. This is the way to make things happen.


Ny trades melo to the cavs
Ny gets Stanley Johnson, Reggie Jackson and miles Leonard plus portlands 20th and detroits 15

Cavs get melo
They send out shump, Frye and RJ as well as cash to det and a future 1st rounder to Detroit. Like in 2022 or something. Top 8 protected let's say.

Detroit sends Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson and the 15 th

They get Frye and Shump and Cle's pick

Portland send Leonard and 20 to ny and they get RJ and a trade exception



Portland sheds major contract
Detroit adds vets that fit their style and remove Jackson,who they hate, and Johnson who they are disappointed in
Clev lands melo for next to nothing. A lineup of kyrie, Lebron, melo, love and Thompson is their version of the warriors east

And NY sheds melo, takes on contract in Jackson and Leonard
Ny adds a young talent in Johnson who should do well in the triangle, a guard in Jackson who can actually play and who Phil has been rumored to want.
And of course we have the 8, 15 and 20 picks in the draft

I'd argue that we can either rebuild the roster with those picks or package two of them together to move up and target either Josh Jackson or Tatum from Phili or phx



Thoughts?

damn! you hate the pistons that much? do you realize pistons pick is 12 and not 15? and if the pistons are going to wait 5 years for a pick in your proposed lopsided trade, i as a fan would hope they'd be smart enough to insist the pick be unprotected.

Well I'm just building off stories I've read that they don't like Jackson and have lost interest in Johnson

And there is talk they wanna move the 12th pick for "established players"

[HarthorneWingo]

Anthony to Cleveland makes sense after this whooping, but only from their end. Can't see what they could give us that would make it worth our while, since they're not better if they trade Love to get Anthony. They need to build their own superteam to complete with a Warriors superteam completely healthy.

Maybe they can make a trade to acquire things we want?

While they're not the Clips in terms of no assets (outside of both teams "Big 3") they also aren't exactly brimming at the seems in assets. Tristan Thompson is probably their best trade asset and I'm not sure how valuable he's seen around the league. Kyle Korver is a UFA so he doesn't really offer optimal value in terms of trades. Maybe Channing Frye will get something but if folks are complaining that Kyle O'Quinn can't get a late 1st then I don't see Frye getting a late 1st either (to route back to the Knicks) as Frye is more of a niche guy, is older than and is being paid much more than O'Quinn. That's about it. Kay Felder would probably go to NY but Felder was a 2nd round pick so not really much value there. They could try to trade Shumpert and/or Smith I guess.

As I suspected. Thanks.

If the Bulls keep the core of Butler, Wade and Rondo, maybe Chicago is then still in play? Whadiya think?

[DOT]

Maybe they can make a trade to acquire things we want?

While they're not the Clips in terms of no assets (outside of both teams "Big 3") they also aren't exactly brimming at the seems in assets. Tristan Thompson is probably their best trade asset and I'm not sure how valuable he's seen around the league. Kyle Korver is a UFA so he doesn't really offer optimal value in terms of trades. Maybe Channing Frye will get something but if folks are complaining that Kyle O'Quinn can't get a late 1st then I don't see Frye getting a late 1st either (to route back to the Knicks) as Frye is more of a niche guy, is older than and is being paid much more than O'Quinn. That's about it. Kay Felder would probably go to NY but Felder was a 2nd round pick so not really much value there. They could try to trade Shumpert and/or Smith I guess.

As I suspected. Thanks.

If the Bulls keep the core of Butler, Wade and Rondo, maybe Chicago is then still in play? Whadiya think?

Bulls would need to trade Rondo or not pick up his option for us to trade Melo to them

I'd do Valentine, Portis, the 16th, and however we can make salaries match, that's probably the best we could get

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks and Melo are stuck with each other. Get used to it. Phil isn't that adept at making deals and he's painted himself into a corner here with the no trade clause and public comments that would take wizard level GM'ing to get a deal done, and Phil may be a lot of things, but wizard GM he's not.

[moocow007]

As far as the Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson plus the 12th pick for both Anthony and Porzingis?

Reggie Jackson is the last type of PG the Knicks need. He's inefficient. He's abrasive. He doesn't defend. The Knicks would be better off with just keeping Anthony (more efficient and less abrasive). But even if we argue that the value is even...Porzingis for Stanley Johnson and the 12th? Stanley Johnson looked like poop in his 1st 2 years. His rookie season was underwhelming to say the least. But then he managed to do the impossible and look even worse in his 2nd season. The 12th pick doesn't have near enough value to offset the difference between Johnson and Porzingis. Not even close.

[Capn'O]

I thought with Wade coming back with Butler and Rondo the Bulls are the on the top of the list. With the Cavs and which ever team CP3 goes to.

Isn't the problem with the Bulls that their management is sketchy as hell. I guess both Rondo, Wade, and probably Butler are staying so however sketchy they may be...

[moocow007]

Maybe they can make a trade to acquire things we want?

While they're not the Clips in terms of no assets (outside of both teams "Big 3") they also aren't exactly brimming at the seems in assets. Tristan Thompson is probably their best trade asset and I'm not sure how valuable he's seen around the league. Kyle Korver is a UFA so he doesn't really offer optimal value in terms of trades. Maybe Channing Frye will get something but if folks are complaining that Kyle O'Quinn can't get a late 1st then I don't see Frye getting a late 1st either (to route back to the Knicks) as Frye is more of a niche guy, is older than and is being paid much more than O'Quinn. That's about it. Kay Felder would probably go to NY but Felder was a 2nd round pick so not really much value there. They could try to trade Shumpert and/or Smith I guess.

As I suspected. Thanks.

If the Bulls keep the core of Butler, Wade and Rondo, maybe Chicago is then still in play? Whadiya think?

Yeah possibly. Depends on who they get to replace Hoiberg if Hoiberg goes. Mike Woodson maybe?

[moocow007]

I thought with Wade coming back with Butler and Rondo the Bulls are the on the top of the list. With the Cavs and which ever team CP3 goes to.

Isn't the problem with the Bulls that their management is sketchy as hell. I guess both Rondo, Wade, and probably Butler are staying so however sketchy they may be...

I think the general concern/criticism from Bulls fans regarding their management is that the lack of clarity on what the plan is and/or sticking with it. Kinda like here.

[King of Canada]

Maybe they can make a trade to acquire things we want?

While they're not the Clips in terms of no assets (outside of both teams "Big 3") they also aren't exactly brimming at the seems in assets. Tristan Thompson is probably their best trade asset and I'm not sure how valuable he's seen around the league. Kyle Korver is a UFA so he doesn't really offer optimal value in terms of trades. Maybe Channing Frye will get something but if folks are complaining that Kyle O'Quinn can't get a late 1st then I don't see Frye getting a late 1st either (to route back to the Knicks) as Frye is more of a niche guy, is older than and is being paid much more than O'Quinn. That's about it. Kay Felder would probably go to NY but Felder was a 2nd round pick so not really much value there. They could try to trade Shumpert and/or Smith I guess.

As I suspected. Thanks.

If the Bulls keep the core of Butler, Wade and Rondo, maybe Chicago is then still in play? Whadiya think?

They certainly have the right mix of expendable picks and players

[Amsterdam]

As far as the Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson plus the 12th pick for both Anthony and Porzingis?

Reggie Jackson is the last type of PG the Knicks need. He's inefficient. He's abrasive. He doesn't defend. The Knicks would be better off with just keeping Anthony (more efficient and less abrasive). But even if we argue that the value is even...Porzingis for Stanley Johnson and the 12th? Stanley Johnson looked like poop in his 1st 2 years. His rookie season was underwhelming to say the least. But then he managed to do the impossible and look even worse in his 2nd season. The 12th pick doesn't have near enough value to offset the difference between Johnson and Porzingis. Not even close.