Hayward Undecided

[FlatearthZorro]

You guys simply have no middle ground huh

Since when is not signing Hayward = tanking?

If we take on a bad contract, we basically admit to treadmilling and risk losing Bradley and Thomas for nothing. It makes no sense whatsoever. We need to improve to show our guys we're looking to win or just trade them or else we risk them walking.

Which is why we need to trade IT and Bradley now rather than A. Keeping them and treadmilling or B. Losing them for nothing

Whether we admit it or not, we will be treadmilling while the GSW are here. Aim to compete 2019 and beyond

We can still aim at competing in 2019 and beyond without blowing anything up. It just makes no sense. You can't seem to realize what I'm saying. We can't have a team like the 6ers. They've drafted top 5 like 4 times in a row and they are still ****. 2 of their top picks are having health issues, the other is a potential bust and the 4th is a bust already(or MCW was a above 5, anyhow).. There is just no point in doing this when you have the talent that are our roster has and the potential to compete while developing young guys. Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to tanking. The 6ers are a prime example and so are the Kings although their FO is god awful. You could tank for 10 years and still be a lottery team. Losing is also taxing on the young guys and it affects veteran's decision on not joining that type of team if they wanna win. Only payckeck chasers like Lowry for example would go to the 6ers.

[Andrew McCeltic]

My spidey sense says Hayward re-ups in Utah and it's announced July 1st.

[CeltsfaninDC]

interesting take on Hayward I found this morning on jazzfanz.com...

Quote Originally Posted by KqWIN View Post
Hayward wasn't always well received. The fans booed him when he was drafted. Ty Corbin benched him. The FO didn't believe in him enough to meet his extension demands. He signed an offer sheet that many, if not most, wanted the Jazz to avoid matching. When the Jazz did match people called him overpaid. He's proven the Jazz coaches, FO, and fans wrong by improving every single season. People still don't think he's good enough for their liking and he will surely receive a ton of heat for signing a large contract if he does resign..

You could replace Hayward with Brown in the bold part and it would be very similar

[sully00]

Will not be surprised if Pat the Rat strikes and steals either Hayward or Griffin from our noses. Now with Bosh off their cap they have a max salary slot.

30-11 record during 2nd half of the season. Beat Cavs 3 out of 3 times, beat Wizards 2 out of 2, beat Huston 2 out of 2, beat Warriors full squad.

They need upgrade at PF or SF spot and Miami looks like an enticing destination.

Sadly we beat them 4 out of 4 times and I don't think Hayward is that interested in Miami cause he has girlfriend/wife. I don't consider Riley a threat when it comes to Hayward, Griffin is anotehr story cause MIA and LA are both warm/high profile, you can party all night type of cities and Blake could go there.

But why would Griffin leave LA for Miami? Miami is still a dumpster fire of a roster.

[GoCeltics123]

If Kyler is right and the Celtics have a 40% chance on paper that's not bad at all.

Also I'm not sure on the Gallinari idea for the backup to Hayward since he might want long-term money and he can't stay healthy. Not a bad idea though

[Banks2Pierce]

If Kyler is right and the Celtics have a 40% chance on paper that's not bad at all.

It's Kyler so there's a 99.9% chance that it's just an educated guess.

Was not fully clear on the timeline, but Lindsey was the GM when they pushed Hayward out to shop for a deal in RFA so it's possible that he could still be sour about that whole thing.

[FlatearthZorro]

If Kyler is right and the Celtics have a 40% chance on paper that's not bad at all.

Also I'm not sure on the Gallinari idea for the backup to Hayward since he might want long-term money and he can't stay healthy. Not a bad idea though

I don't want Gallo. I'd rather have Millsap who's a far superior player and talent all around. Gallo is a waste of space and will more than likely get ridiculous offers which he isn't worthy of at all! I'd rather pay Millsap 4 years than Gallo. Despite Millsap being 2 years older, his body is probably healthier.

[Stadium5]

If we take on a bad contract, we basically admit to treadmilling and risk losing Bradley and Thomas for nothing. It makes no sense whatsoever. We need to improve to show our guys we're looking to win or just trade them or else we risk them walking.

Which is why we need to trade IT and Bradley now rather than A. Keeping them and treadmilling or B. Losing them for nothing

Whether we admit it or not, we will be treadmilling while the GSW are here. Aim to compete 2019 and beyond

We can still aim at competing in 2019 and beyond without blowing anything up. It just makes no sense. You can't seem to realize what I'm saying. We can't have a team like the 6ers. They've drafted top 5 like 4 times in a row and they are still ****. 2 of their top picks are having health issues, the other is a potential bust and the 4th is a bust already(or MCW was a above 5, anyhow).. There is just no point in doing this when you have the talent that are our roster has and the potential to compete while developing young guys. Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to tanking. The 6ers are a prime example and so are the Kings although their FO is god awful. You could tank for 10 years and still be a lottery team. Losing is also taxing on the young guys and it affects veteran's decision on not joining that type of team if they wanna win. Only payckeck chasers like Lowry for example would go to the 6ers.

You're the one not understanding what is being said. I'm not calling for tanking. You subtract AB and IT, and add Zizic, Fultz, improved Jaylen, and whatever assets we get in return for AB/IT and it's not going to be that much of a drop off. Yet you'll still be able to get something worth value for guys who are about to get either overpaid or walk for nothing

[FlatearthZorro]

Which is why we need to trade IT and Bradley now rather than A. Keeping them and treadmilling or B. Losing them for nothing

Whether we admit it or not, we will be treadmilling while the GSW are here. Aim to compete 2019 and beyond

We can still aim at competing in 2019 and beyond without blowing anything up. It just makes no sense. You can't seem to realize what I'm saying. We can't have a team like the 6ers. They've drafted top 5 like 4 times in a row and they are still ****. 2 of their top picks are having health issues, the other is a potential bust and the 4th is a bust already(or MCW was a above 5, anyhow).. There is just no point in doing this when you have the talent that are our roster has and the potential to compete while developing young guys. Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to tanking. The 6ers are a prime example and so are the Kings although their FO is god awful. You could tank for 10 years and still be a lottery team. Losing is also taxing on the young guys and it affects veteran's decision on not joining that type of team if they wanna win. Only payckeck chasers like Lowry for example would go to the 6ers.

You're the one not understanding what is being said. I'm not calling for tanking. You subtract AB and IT, and add Zizic, Fultz, improved Jaylen, and whatever assets we get in return for AB/IT and it's not going to be that much of a drop off. Yet you'll still be able to get something worth value for guys who are about to get either overpaid or walk for nothing

Unless you get a superstar in Fultz from day 1 this is a 30-35 win team(35 is being generous).

[Stadium5]

We can still aim at competing in 2019 and beyond without blowing anything up. It just makes no sense. You can't seem to realize what I'm saying. We can't have a team like the 6ers. They've drafted top 5 like 4 times in a row and they are still ****. 2 of their top picks are having health issues, the other is a potential bust and the 4th is a bust already(or MCW was a above 5, anyhow).. There is just no point in doing this when you have the talent that are our roster has and the potential to compete while developing young guys. Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to tanking. The 6ers are a prime example and so are the Kings although their FO is god awful. You could tank for 10 years and still be a lottery team. Losing is also taxing on the young guys and it affects veteran's decision on not joining that type of team if they wanna win. Only payckeck chasers like Lowry for example would go to the 6ers.

You're the one not understanding what is being said. I'm not calling for tanking. You subtract AB and IT, and add Zizic, Fultz, improved Jaylen, and whatever assets we get in return for AB/IT and it's not going to be that much of a drop off. Yet you'll still be able to get something worth value for guys who are about to get either overpaid or walk for nothing

Unless you get a superstar in Fultz from day 1 this is a 30-35 win team(35 is being generous).

That's not sixers level. And whats wrong with doubling down on a lottery with high potential big men at the top of the draft?

Watching IT play one more year with another Cavs playoff mauling is worth more than that?

[VeryMuchWoke]

I wonder what the television ratings are going to look like league wide in a couple of years. Yeah, if your sole objective as a fan is to root for a champion, I could see a lot of the audience growing bored and leaving the game in the near future.

I'm not sure if you're old enough to remember the NBA in the 90s.

Jordan's Bulls dominated every year. From 1991-1998, only two franchises won titles...and the league benefitted greatly from that dominance.

As LeBron declines, it's quite possible that KD/Steph become not only the new faces of the NBA...

But the biggest sport stars on the planet.

It wasn't even close to like this though, save the one year the Bulls won 72 games, and even then they were taken to 6 by the Sonics. The Bulls were always challenged. The closest they ever came to going 16-0 was in 90-91 when they went 15-2 and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't favored in the finals.

[CelticsLV]

Will not be surprised if Pat the Rat strikes and steals either Hayward or Griffin from our noses. Now with Bosh off their cap they have a max salary slot.

30-11 record during 2nd half of the season. Beat Cavs 3 out of 3 times, beat Wizards 2 out of 2, beat Huston 2 out of 2, beat Warriors full squad.

They need upgrade at PF or SF spot and Miami looks like an enticing destination.

Sadly we beat them 4 out of 4 times and I don't think Hayward is that interested in Miami cause he has girlfriend/wife. I don't consider Riley a threat when it comes to Hayward, Griffin is anotehr story cause MIA and LA are both warm/high profile, you can party all night type of cities and Blake could go there.

We beat them 3 times during first half of the season like most teams did. Wouldn't draw conclusions from that.

[Homerclease]

You're the one not understanding what is being said. I'm not calling for tanking. You subtract AB and IT, and add Zizic, Fultz, improved Jaylen, and whatever assets we get in return for AB/IT and it's not going to be that much of a drop off. Yet you'll still be able to get something worth value for guys who are about to get either overpaid or walk for nothing

Unless you get a superstar in Fultz from day 1 this is a 30-35 win team(35 is being generous).

That's not sixers level. And whats wrong with doubling down on a lottery with high potential big men at the top of the draft?

Watching IT play one more year with another Cavs playoff mauling is worth more than that?

If it's not sixers level then there's no point. Next years draft drops off sharply after the big 4 up top

[Stadium5]

Unless you get a superstar in Fultz from day 1 this is a 30-35 win team(35 is being generous).

That's not sixers level. And whats wrong with doubling down on a lottery with high potential big men at the top of the draft?

Watching IT play one more year with another Cavs playoff mauling is worth more than that?

If it's not sixers level then there's no point. Next years draft drops off sharply after the big 4 up top

It's more than a year away, nobody has any idea what the final draft crop will look like at this point.

The higher you are in a draft the better off you are. You can still get good players beyond the top 4

[Homerclease]

That's not sixers level. And whats wrong with doubling down on a lottery with high potential big men at the top of the draft?

Watching IT play one more year with another Cavs playoff mauling is worth more than that?

If it's not sixers level then there's no point. Next years draft drops off sharply after the big 4 up top

It's more than a year away, nobody has any idea what the final draft crop will look like at this point.

The higher you are in a draft the better off you are. You can still get good players beyond the top 4

The guys we have now are good players, we need great ones

[Stadium5]

If it's not sixers level then there's no point. Next years draft drops off sharply after the big 4 up top

It's more than a year away, nobody has any idea what the final draft crop will look like at this point.

The higher you are in a draft the better off you are. You can still get good players beyond the top 4

The guys we have now are good players, we need great ones

Which is why we should go an get another lottery pick lol. Teams outside of the bottom 3 have won the lottery before, doesn't hurt throwing your hat in the ring

[Homerclease]

It's more than a year away, nobody has any idea what the final draft crop will look like at this point.

The higher you are in a draft the better off you are. You can still get good players beyond the top 4

The guys we have now are good players, we need great ones

Which is why we should go an get another lottery pick lol. Teams outside of the bottom 3 have won the lottery before, doesn't hurt throwing your hat in the ring

It could hurt big time if you don't hit on that long shot and draft another player the caliber of Marcus Smart

[Stadium5]

The guys we have now are good players, we need great ones

Which is why we should go an get another lottery pick lol. Teams outside of the bottom 3 have won the lottery before, doesn't hurt throwing your hat in the ring

It could hurt big time if you don't hit on that long shot and draft another player the caliber of Marcus Smart

That's where I disagree. Losing bradley and Crowder isn't that big of a deal in my opinion. Well worth the risk

[Homerclease]

Which is why we should go an get another lottery pick lol. Teams outside of the bottom 3 have won the lottery before, doesn't hurt throwing your hat in the ring

It could hurt big time if you don't hit on that long shot and draft another player the caliber of Marcus Smart

That's where I disagree. Losing bradley and Crowder isn't that big of a deal in my opinion. Well worth the risk

Were talking about dealing Thomas in this thread though. I have Thomas considerably better than role players like Bradley and Crowder.

[Stadium5]

It could hurt big time if you don't hit on that long shot and draft another player the caliber of Marcus Smart

That's where I disagree. Losing bradley and Crowder isn't that big of a deal in my opinion. Well worth the risk

Were talking about dealing Thomas in this thread though. I have Thomas considerably better than role players like Bradley and Crowder.

Ahh that's right. Well you already know my take on him

Seeing how I think we shouldn't sign him long term then it's a no brainer getting a lottery pick for him. I think he'll hurt us more long term being here than just losing him for a bust pick