official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[Capn'O]

I thought with Wade coming back with Butler and Rondo the Bulls are the on the top of the list. With the Cavs and which ever team CP3 goes to.

Isn't the problem with the Bulls that their management is sketchy as hell. I guess both Rondo, Wade, and probably Butler are staying so however sketchy they may be...

I think the general concern/criticism from Bulls fans regarding their management is that the lack of clarity on what the plan is and/or sticking with it. Kinda like here.

Nono - they're weird and underhanded too. There was that whole business about them undercutting Butler's minutes during salary negotiations. The nasty leaks about Deng after they traded him. They way they went about the Thibs firing. There's a bunch of stuff.

[Capn'O]

You seriously just called us unreasonable and came up with that trade proposal?

We'll do that for Carmelo and take Jackson's contract off your hands to go along with everything else. Hell you can swap Lee for your bad contracts too.

You proved my point. Unlike most fans, I don't make unreasonable lopsided trade proposals in favor of my team. If one happens I will be happy. Click the links below to see what the Pistons surrendered for Reggie Jackson, Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris. As I have always said, Pistons got one for a song, one for a dinner and one for a dance. These were trades that I never would have suggested considering what the Pistons surrendered.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/02/19/reggie-jackson-detroit-pistons-thunder/23687861/

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2016/02/report_detroit_pistons_acquire_2.html

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13190390/phoenix-suns-send-marcus-morris-danny-granger-reggie-bullock-detroit-pistons

How the hell can you come in here and say "I don't make unreasonable lopsided trade proposals in favor of my team" after posting that garbage trade for KP and Melo?

If you don't like trades people are posting, that's fine...but doing what you just did (generalizing, baiting, and posting a **** trade) and not expect a firestorm.

Dude's lucky we're all on Valium these days...

[Amsterdam]

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Hoiberg is on the short list for the Ohio State job. I think this could actually be a good thing for a possible Melo trade. Butler was not a fan of Hoiberg so him leaving could make it more likely Butler stays if he gets to help choose the next coach. With Wade opting-in, I also dont think the Bulls would want to trade Butler and would instead try to compete.

Seems like Jimmy would love to get Melo in a Bulls jersey.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/does_jimmy_butler_want_the_bulls_to_go_after_carmelo_anthony/s1_12680_24114553?ref=yfp

As the entire Jimmy Butler saga in Chicago prepares to play out later this summer, there’s still a strong chance that he could be traded. There were rumors surrounding the All-Star heading up to February’s trade deadline, but the Bulls decided to hang on to their franchise player.

Now, following a first-round playoff exit and with widespread questions about the future of Chicago’s roster, it sure looks like Butler himself is making some back channel noise about acquiring fellow All-Star Carmelo Anthony.

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To be clear, this is an intriguing possibility. Assuming Dwyane Wade decides to remain in Chicago, the idea of adding Anthony could make some sense. We already know Wade and Anthony are friends. And with Butler still in his prime, this has the look of a potential contender back East.

There are, however, two issues here.

First off, both Wade and Anthony are on the back ends of their careers. At 35 years old, Wade is still going strong. He averaged 18.3 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game in his first year with the Bulls.

Though, there still has to be lingering questions about Anthony’s ability to live up to his contract on a contending team. Sure, he put up solid numbers for a bad New York Knicks squad last season. But at 33 years old and set to earn north of $54 million over the next two seasons, these questions are real.

Secondly, the Bulls cannot afford to give up future assets for Anthony. The idea of dealing potential long-term contributors for someone of Anthony’s ilk doesn’t seem too promising. Just ask the Brooklyn Nets how that has worked out.

On the surface, Anthony to the Bulls could make sense. But a lot would have to fall in place for this to work out, primarily the type of package the Knicks and president Phil Jackson would demand from his former team.

This would be a good move for Melo.
Noone is saying that the current Bulls plus Melo will beat the Warriors. But what the teams in the East should want to do is, capitalize on the financial constraints of the Cavs and try to beat them for a spot IN the Finals.

Melo on the Bulls have a shot against the Cavs. Not guarantee but a good shot.

[Amsterdam]

Looks like this will be changing soon::

[King of Canada]

While they're not the Clips in terms of no assets (outside of both teams "Big 3") they also aren't exactly brimming at the seems in assets. Tristan Thompson is probably their best trade asset and I'm not sure how valuable he's seen around the league. Kyle Korver is a UFA so he doesn't really offer optimal value in terms of trades. Maybe Channing Frye will get something but if folks are complaining that Kyle O'Quinn can't get a late 1st then I don't see Frye getting a late 1st either (to route back to the Knicks) as Frye is more of a niche guy, is older than and is being paid much more than O'Quinn. That's about it. Kay Felder would probably go to NY but Felder was a 2nd round pick so not really much value there. They could try to trade Shumpert and/or Smith I guess.

As I suspected. Thanks.

If the Bulls keep the core of Butler, Wade and Rondo, maybe Chicago is then still in play? Whadiya think?

Yeah possibly. Depends on who they get to replace Hoiberg if Hoiberg goes. Mike Woodson maybe?

Ha, I was just going to say Woodson too. That would be fate.

[3toheadmelo]

Looks like this will be changing soon::

well damn lol

[god shammgod]

the more i think about it, the more i think a good trade won't emerge so melo is gonna stay. he's not gonna have a chance to turn down any offers.

why give up future assets for melo. most of the league is just gonna bide their time for the next couple of years. why try to compete now when it's hopeless ?

p.s. some team really needs to snatch iggy off of gs. they have a lot to pay just to keep the big 4. they'll probably let him walk. at least that will help a little bit.

[Rotten Apple]

the more i think about it, the more i think a good trade won't emerge so melo is gonna stay. he's not gonna have a chance to turn down any offers.

why give up future assets for melo. most of the league is just gonna bide their time for the next couple of years. why try to compete now when it's hopeless ?

p.s. some team really needs to snatch iggy off of gs. they have a lot to pay just to keep the big 4. they'll probably let him walk. at least that will help a little bit.

Durant said he'd take less to keep Iggy/Livingston.

[HarthorneWingo]

the more i think about it, the more i think a good trade won't emerge so melo is gonna stay. he's not gonna have a chance to turn down any offers.

why give up future assets for melo. most of the league is just gonna bide their time for the next couple of years. why try to compete now when it's hopeless ?

p.s. some team really needs to snatch iggy off of gs. they have a lot to pay just to keep the big 4. they'll probably let him walk. at least that will help a little bit.

Because Melo is a Hall of Famer and the best scoring forward in the NBA. Like evah. He's unstoppable in the post and a great catch 'n shoot player. He's an amazing and incredibly unbelievable player.

[Amsterdam]

the more i think about it, the more i think a good trade won't emerge so melo is gonna stay. he's not gonna have a chance to turn down any offers.

why give up future assets for melo. most of the league is just gonna bide their time for the next couple of years. why try to compete now when it's hopeless ?

p.s. some team really needs to snatch iggy off of gs. they have a lot to pay just to keep the big 4. they'll probably let him walk. at least that will help a little bit.

Why it's important:

1. Because it'll be a huge bonus to have a competitive East, one that can feature a small all-star lineup of Wade, Melo, Butler and Rondo against the Cavs.
2. The Cavs being detroned from being the Eastern Champs that in and of itself would be a "Championship" of sorts to many teams.
3. Finally, a star laden Bulls (large market) and Cavs will generate tons of revenue, pre-Finals and isn't that's what it's all about?

[Rotten Apple]

the more i think about it, the more i think a good trade won't emerge so melo is gonna stay. he's not gonna have a chance to turn down any offers.

why give up future assets for melo. most of the league is just gonna bide their time for the next couple of years. why try to compete now when it's hopeless ?

p.s. some team really needs to snatch iggy off of gs. they have a lot to pay just to keep the big 4. they'll probably let him walk. at least that will help a little bit.

Because Melo is a Hall of Famer and the best scoring forward in the NBA. Like evah. He's unstoppable in the post and a great catch 'n shoot player. He's an amazing and incredibly unbelievable player.

[god shammgod]

the more i think about it, the more i think a good trade won't emerge so melo is gonna stay. he's not gonna have a chance to turn down any offers.

why give up future assets for melo. most of the league is just gonna bide their time for the next couple of years. why try to compete now when it's hopeless ?

p.s. some team really needs to snatch iggy off of gs. they have a lot to pay just to keep the big 4. they'll probably let him walk. at least that will help a little bit.

Why it's important:

1. Because it'll be a huge bonus to have a competitive East, one that can feature a small all-star lineup of Wade, Melo, Butler and Rondo against the Cavs.
2. The Cavs being detroned from being the Eastern Champs that in and of itself would be a "Championship" of sorts to many teams.
3. Finally, a star laden Bulls (large market) and Cavs will generate tons of revenue, pre-Finals and isn't that's what it's all about?

the bulls have never been that team post jordan. they're like us. they sell out most games no problem anyway so no need to try to do anything more to make money. they're fine.

[Rocket_Raccoon]

New York Knicks fans are so unreasonable. How about this
Detroit trades Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson and the 12th to NY for Carmelo and Porginzis?

let the firestorm begin...or just ignore

You seriously just called us unreasonable and came up with that trade proposal?

We'll do that for Carmelo and take Jackson's contract off your hands to go along with everything else. Hell you can swap Lee for your bad contracts too.

You proved my point. Unlike most fans, I don't make unreasonable lopsided trade proposals in favor of my team. If one happens I will be happy. Click the links below to see what the Pistons surrendered for Reggie Jackson, Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris. As I have always said, Pistons got one for a song, one for a dinner and one for a dance. These were trades that I never would have suggested considering what the Pistons surrendered.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/02/19/reggie-jackson-detroit-pistons-thunder/23687861/

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2016/02/report_detroit_pistons_acquire_2.html

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13190390/phoenix-suns-send-marcus-morris-danny-granger-reggie-bullock-detroit-pistons

No point was proven except that you're a hypocrite. You're wayyyy overvaluing your end there. The 12th pick? Who's going to be available there? Mitchell? Great.

Johnson? He's been TERRIBLE, as someone pointed out, he actually became WORSE his 2nd year.

Jackson? Was injured last year, doesn't play defense, and his offense looked atrocious after coming back (although that might be cause he was rushed back by SVG).

PLUS it's been put out there that you guys want established veterans for the 12th pick. Melo and Lee fit that bill, and if you get to dump bad contracts on us, then that trade doesn't seem so far fetched.

But yeah, we're unreasonable

[Amsterdam]

the more i think about it, the more i think a good trade won't emerge so melo is gonna stay. he's not gonna have a chance to turn down any offers.

why give up future assets for melo. most of the league is just gonna bide their time for the next couple of years. why try to compete now when it's hopeless ?

p.s. some team really needs to snatch iggy off of gs. they have a lot to pay just to keep the big 4. they'll probably let him walk. at least that will help a little bit.

Why it's important:

1. Because it'll be a huge bonus to have a competitive East, one that can feature a small all-star lineup of Wade, Melo, Butler and Rondo against the Cavs.
2. The Cavs being detroned from being the Eastern Champs that in and of itself would be a "Championship" of sorts to many teams.
3. Finally, a star laden Bulls (large market) and Cavs will generate tons of revenue, pre-Finals and isn't that's what it's all about?

the bulls have never been that team post jordan. they're like us. they sell out most games no problem anyway so no need to try to do anything more to make money. they're fine.

A Bulls team with Melo, Wade, Rondo and Butler would actually be the most ready team to disconnect James from a perennial trip to the Finals. The narrative would be great for the league and would generate lots more revenue.

Let's not forget that Rondo was dominating Boston before going down with an post-season ending injury. Additionally, with a guard like Rondo, Melo would thrive once again, allowing Wade to take more days off in back to backs during the season.

[MrProb]

the more i think about it, the more i think a good trade won't emerge so melo is gonna stay. he's not gonna have a chance to turn down any offers.

why give up future assets for melo. most of the league is just gonna bide their time for the next couple of years. why try to compete now when it's hopeless ?

p.s. some team really needs to snatch iggy off of gs. they have a lot to pay just to keep the big 4. they'll probably let him walk. at least that will help a little bit.

Because Melo is a Hall of Famer and the best scoring forward in the NBA. Like evah. He's unstoppable in the post and a great catch 'n shoot player. He's an amazing and incredibly unbelievable player.

Thanks for the laugh old man

[captainrebel]

You proved my point. Unlike most fans, I don't make unreasonable lopsided trade proposals in favor of my team. If one happens I will be happy. Click the links below to see what the Pistons surrendered for Reggie Jackson, Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris. As I have always said, Pistons got one for a song, one for a dinner and one for a dance. These were trades that I never would have suggested considering what the Pistons surrendered.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/02/19/reggie-jackson-detroit-pistons-thunder/23687861/

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2016/02/report_detroit_pistons_acquire_2.html

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13190390/phoenix-suns-send-marcus-morris-danny-granger-reggie-bullock-detroit-pistons

How the hell can you come in here and say "I don't make unreasonable lopsided trade proposals in favor of my team" after posting that garbage trade for KP and Melo?

If you don't like trades people are posting, that's fine...but doing what you just did (generalizing, baiting, and posting a **** trade) and not expect a firestorm.

Dude's lucky we're all on Valium these days...

I made my ridiculous proposal to see if I would get the type of response you posted. That’s all. I am realistic. I don’t expect the Knicks to trade C. Porg. For and average PG in Reggie Jackson. That’s why I said you proved my point. I just knew someone was going to view me as a hypocrite.

[moocow007]

the more i think about it, the more i think a good trade won't emerge so melo is gonna stay. he's not gonna have a chance to turn down any offers.

why give up future assets for melo. most of the league is just gonna bide their time for the next couple of years. why try to compete now when it's hopeless ?

p.s. some team really needs to snatch iggy off of gs. they have a lot to pay just to keep the big 4. they'll probably let him walk. at least that will help a little bit.

If I were a GM interested in Anthony, I would not offer anything significant and instead would just wait for Jackson to buy Anthony out. It is quite possible. And the more and more Jackson chooses to state his need for a divorce the more likely that he's going to have basically give the bride what she wants. I mean why give up assets AND take on that salary (with the NTC AND the trade kicker LOL no less) when all it likely will take is a little bit of time before Jackson just bites the bullet and buys Anthony out. I'd get to keep my assets, pay a LOT LESS salary AND won't have to worry about taking on that idiotic NTC. The only thing I would do is contact Anthony's agents and make sure that he knows that we really admire his skills, appreciate everything he's done, will have a major role for him and expect to compete (no...it doesn't mean that I actually mean it) and when he's bought out, come see us immediately. And maybe I tell Anthony's agent to Anthony to start working behind the scenes to get himself bought out.

Hopefully that's not the same mindset that the real GM's around the league are thinking.

[Capn'O]

How the hell can you come in here and say "I don't make unreasonable lopsided trade proposals in favor of my team" after posting that garbage trade for KP and Melo?

If you don't like trades people are posting, that's fine...but doing what you just did (generalizing, baiting, and posting a **** trade) and not expect a firestorm.

Dude's lucky we're all on Valium these days...

I made my ridiculous proposal to see if I would get the type of response you posted. That’s all. I am realistic. I don’t expect the Knicks to trade C. Porg. For and average PG in Reggie Jackson. That’s why I said you proved my point. I just knew someone was going to view me as a hypocrite.

So you deliberately posted a hyperbolic trade offer in order to elicit outraged responses?

We know what it was.

And, by the way duder, that was my first response in the thread saying we, the Knicks mods, have been taking it easy these days so I have no idea wtf you're talking about my response for. Or why you're poking the bear.

[Ray Williams]

Dude's lucky we're all on Valium these days...

I made my ridiculous proposal to see if I would get the type of response you posted. That’s all. I am realistic. I don’t expect the Knicks to trade C. Porg. For and average PG in Reggie Jackson. That’s why I said you proved my point. I just knew someone was going to view me as a hypocrite.

So you deliberately posted a hyperbolic trade offer in order to elicit outraged responses?

We know what it was.

And, by the way duder, that was my first response in the thread saying we, the Knicks mods, have been taking it easy these days so I have no idea wtf you're talking about my response for. Or why you're poking the bear.

Get'im Cap

[Rotten Apple]

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