2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[Gam]

I'm officially all in on Ike. The only guys with a chance in hell of being there that I'd prefer are Mitchell and Zach Collins. You could also talk me into Kennard if we don't resign Snell. Otherwise Ike is absolutely my guy.

[snoogans8056]

At this point, I'm getting to be all in on Hart at 17. Have loved him throughout the process, but at 17, I don't really care to take an unpolished guy like Ike. Everything about Josh Hart screams sleeper. Winning pedigree with a NC. His efficiency throughout his career. He won DPOY in his conference. I think someone said it earlier, there aren't going to be 17 guys better than Josh Hart thus draft, I agree. I say you run with the Brogdon/Hart backcourt and let the playmaking on this team come from a forward rotation. Turn Jabari into a 6th man for next year and starter Giannis and Middleton. Work it out from there.

My problem with Hart is that unless he is a Kyrie-like savant around the hoop, NBA bigs are going to take away all his points in the paint. He grades well for athleticism, but I just don't remember seeing any of it.

[skones]

At this point, I'm getting to be all in on Hart at 17. Have loved him throughout the process, but at 17, I don't really care to take an unpolished guy like Ike. Everything about Josh Hart screams sleeper. Winning pedigree with a NC. His efficiency throughout his career. He won DPOY in his conference. I think someone said it earlier, there aren't going to be 17 guys better than Josh Hart thus draft, I agree. I say you run with the Brogdon/Hart backcourt and let the playmaking on this team come from a forward rotation. Turn Jabari into a 6th man for next year and starter Giannis and Middleton. Work it out from there.

My problem with Hart is that unless he is a Kyrie-like savant around the hoop, NBA bigs are going to take away all his points in the paint. He grades well for athleticism, but I just don't remember seeing any of it.

You're not drafting Hart with the idea that he's some sort of "get buckets guy." You're drafting him because he plays at both ends of the floor, can shoot, and brings a little extra to the table. His finishing at the rim, in the half court, was in the 93rd percentile in the NCAA and he's a guard. 66% at the cup. That's pretty damn excellent. He's far more elusive than he is explosive. Do I expect him to be proficient in isolation situations? No. I DO expect him to be able to attack close outs effectively, something that is largely missing from Tony Snell's repertoire and I believe would be from Kennard's as well.

[freewhitemoon]

Nah, dont really want Josh Hart at 17. I get that we cant have enough 2 way wings but we desperately need a guy who can do something off the bounce. I'd take Derrick white at 17 and then try get someone like Sindarius Thornwell in the 2nd to replace Snell

[snoogans8056]

At this point, I'm getting to be all in on Hart at 17. Have loved him throughout the process, but at 17, I don't really care to take an unpolished guy like Ike. Everything about Josh Hart screams sleeper. Winning pedigree with a NC. His efficiency throughout his career. He won DPOY in his conference. I think someone said it earlier, there aren't going to be 17 guys better than Josh Hart thus draft, I agree. I say you run with the Brogdon/Hart backcourt and let the playmaking on this team come from a forward rotation. Turn Jabari into a 6th man for next year and starter Giannis and Middleton. Work it out from there.

My problem with Hart is that unless he is a Kyrie-like savant around the hoop, NBA bigs are going to take away all his points in the paint. He grades well for athleticism, but I just don't remember seeing any of it.

You're not drafting Hart with the idea that he's some sort of "get buckets guy." You're drafting him because he plays at both ends of the floor, can shoot, and brings a little extra to the table. His finishing at the rim, in the half court, was in the 93rd percentile in the NCAA and he's a guard. 66% at the cup. That's pretty damn excellent. He's far more elusive than he is explosive.

I still like him, I'm just nit picking. When his paint stuff isn't working he is a very frustrating player to watch offensively.

Rashad Vaughn would probably be a very similar player in his senior year.

[Bernman]

17. Take Patton or Leaf if they're still available, otherwise trade down.

Late 1st (hypothetical). Jackson, White, Hart, BAM!

2nd. Kaba, Dozier, Beachem, Mason, Morris

[freewhitemoon]

Man if Zach Collins falls to like 15th and gets picked just in front of us that'll be such a downer. Zanik needs to try pull one over on the Kings for their 10th pick.

How optimistic is Jabari for 10th?

[ReasonablySober]

At this point I think Giles is more likely to go top ten than fall out of the lottery, but if he starts to drop and the Bucks don't move up, I'm going to be pissed.

[Ron Swanson]

Hart at #17 is a hell of a reach. And I like Josh Hart.

[skones]

Hart at #17 is a hell of a reach. And I like Josh Hart.

We've seen a number of 4 year players tremendously undervalued in this draft because of perceived "upside" relative to age and it's been unwarranted. I think that's the case with Hart. I think he's a bonafide first round pick, and unless we grab a later first, he's off the board, that's why I have to consider him at 17.

[ReasonablySober]

Hart at #17 is a hell of a reach. And I like Josh Hart.

We've seen a number of 4 year players tremendously undervalued in this draft because of perceived "upside" relative to age and it's been unwarranted. I think that's the case with Hart.

What pick would you accept in an exchange for Brogdon?

[skones]

Hart at #17 is a hell of a reach. And I like Josh Hart.

We've seen a number of 4 year players tremendously undervalued in this draft because of perceived "upside" relative to age and it's been unwarranted. I think that's the case with Hart.

What pick would you accept in an exchange for Brogdon?

11 depending on how I think the board shakes out. 10 if I want to make myself a guarantee. I don't like Malik Monk much at all.

[ReasonablySober]

Impressive looking workout from Collins.

[ReasonablySober]

Seth Davis isn't letting unemployment keep him from publishing his annual scouts look at the top fifty prospects.

These three seem like the guys in our range that got the best comments:

Jordan Bell, 6’8” junior forward, Oregon
“He’s one of my favorite players in the draft. He could be a switch monster because of his ability to defend multiple positions. He’s probably a better shooter than we saw at Oregon. He’s a hot name. He’s undersized four, but he’s just such a ridiculous athlete.”

Donovan Mitchell, 6’2” sophomore guard, Louisville
“Absolutely love him. His athleticism and wing span are intriguing. He can cover a lot of the floor. If he can get a consistent jump shot I think he has the chance. High character young man, strong calves and lower body. Improving three-point shooter. I think he can be a lottery pick. Didn’t measure well height-wise, but he has a 6’10” wing span so it doesn’t matter.”

D.J. Wilson, 6’10” junior forward, Michigan
“Big-time upside. He didn’t play for two years and now he’ll probably get drafted in the first round. Just needs experience. Little bit of a four/three tweener. He did the right thing by coming out. He has the size and skill set you like, as well as the footspeed and ballhandling ability. He needs to be more aggressive and improve as a defensive player. I’d think most people would take him over Lydon.”

[Rockmaninoff]

Well the translatable skills are the ones that actually matter in the conversation..... He had trouble getting to the rim in college, I have a hard time seeing him get to the line at a decent rate at the next level when it becomes even more difficult. Spot ups, dribble pull ups on close outs, that's what I expect out of him.

Nobody is questioning his skill level in college or his production, I want to make that clear. There are thousands of successful college players who weren't able to translate those things to the next level. The translatable skills ARE the topic of discussion.

Yeah, I guess I'm struggling to figure out why people think Kennard's only transferable skills are spot up shooting and dribble shooting out of closeouts. I think he could have a lot of utility out of DHO and PnR, not to mention he's already probably one of the better shooters off the dribble in any situation, in this draft. But, agree to disagree.

[skones]

Well the translatable skills are the ones that actually matter in the conversation..... He had trouble getting to the rim in college, I have a hard time seeing him get to the line at a decent rate at the next level when it becomes even more difficult. Spot ups, dribble pull ups on close outs, that's what I expect out of him.

Nobody is questioning his skill level in college or his production, I want to make that clear. There are thousands of successful college players who weren't able to translate those things to the next level. The translatable skills ARE the topic of discussion.

Yeah, I guess I'm struggling to figure out why people think Kennard's only transferable skills are spot up shooting and dribble shooting out of closeouts. I think he could have a lot of utility out of DHO and PnR, not to mention he's already probably one of the better shooters off the dribble in any situation, in this draft. But, agree to disagree.

I just don't see him getting a lot of room in the Pick and Roll and that's where we differ. In order to run the pick n roll effectively in the NBA, you need to be able to get into the paint. I don't see that happening with Kennard. That's why you don't see guys like Kyle Korver and Dougie McBuckets operating in the pick and roll. The defender is either fighting over the top of the screen or switching in which case Kennard's difficulty turning the corner hinders his impact. In the NCAA only 15.9% of his looks in the half court came at the rim this season, only 11 out of the pick and roll. Major red flag for me in terms of translation. Dribble handoffs, sure, but if your utility is a spot up or a dribble hand off, how much is that worth?

[Rockmaninoff]

I said agree to disagree, but I think he's a much better ball handler than McDermott or Korver. Not to mention post ups, but I'm done.

[Gianstoppable]

Man if Zach Collins falls to like 15th and gets picked just in front of us that'll be such a downer. Zanik needs to try pull one over on the Kings for their 10th pick.

How optimistic is Jabari for 10th?

Not. Jabari is one of the faces of the franchise, even if it made sense I doubt they do it because it would be a PR nightmare, especially if Jabari bounces back healthy and Collins underwhelms

[machu46]

Seth Davis isn't letting unemployment keep him from publishing his annual scouts look at the top fifty prospects.

These three seem like the guys in our range that got the best comments:

Jordan Bell, 6’8” junior forward, Oregon
“He’s one of my favorite players in the draft. He could be a switch monster because of his ability to defend multiple positions. He’s probably a better shooter than we saw at Oregon. He’s a hot name. He’s undersized four, but he’s just such a ridiculous athlete.”

Donovan Mitchell, 6’2” sophomore guard, Louisville
“Absolutely love him. His athleticism and wing span are intriguing. He can cover a lot of the floor. If he can get a consistent jump shot I think he has the chance. High character young man, strong calves and lower body. Improving three-point shooter. I think he can be a lottery pick. Didn’t measure well height-wise, but he has a 6’10” wing span so it doesn’t matter.”

D.J. Wilson, 6’10” junior forward, Michigan
“Big-time upside. He didn’t play for two years and now he’ll probably get drafted in the first round. Just needs experience. Little bit of a four/three tweener. He did the right thing by coming out. He has the size and skill set you like, as well as the footspeed and ballhandling ability. He needs to be more aggressive and improve as a defensive player. I’d think most people would take him over Lydon.”

Comments on Lydon seemed really good too. Better than I expected them to be honestly.


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[Badgerlander]

Seth Davis isn't letting unemployment keep him from publishing his annual scouts look at the top fifty prospects.

These three seem like the guys in our range that got the best comments:

Jordan Bell, 6’8” junior forward, Oregon
“He’s one of my favorite players in the draft. He could be a switch monster because of his ability to defend multiple positions. He’s probably a better shooter than we saw at Oregon. He’s a hot name. He’s undersized four, but he’s just such a ridiculous athlete.”

Donovan Mitchell, 6’2” sophomore guard, Louisville
“Absolutely love him. His athleticism and wing span are intriguing. He can cover a lot of the floor. If he can get a consistent jump shot I think he has the chance. High character young man, strong calves and lower body. Improving three-point shooter. I think he can be a lottery pick. Didn’t measure well height-wise, but he has a 6’10” wing span so it doesn’t matter.”

D.J. Wilson, 6’10” junior forward, Michigan
“Big-time upside. He didn’t play for two years and now he’ll probably get drafted in the first round. Just needs experience. Little bit of a four/three tweener. He did the right thing by coming out. He has the size and skill set you like, as well as the footspeed and ballhandling ability. He needs to be more aggressive and improve as a defensive player. I’d think most people would take him over Lydon.”

Really liked Bells passing from the high post and we could certainly use his defense at forward, if he can hit the 3 he'll be a stud. Wilson is intriguing as hell too, if he falls to a good team like the Spurs I'd bet on him breaking out