Jonathan Jeanne

Osirus89 · Post #61 » by **Osirus89** » Thu May 25, 2017 4:17 am

I would be thrilled if OKC drafted Jeanne if we somehow turned pick 21 into two later firsts. He's looks like he will take a while to develop, but he would be a great change of pace big man next to Steven Adams.

You guys are absolutely right about his weight. Porzingis is having to continually bulk up to go against NBA big men and KP is massive compared to Jeanne currently. :-?

doordoor123 · Post #62 » by **doordoor123** » Thu May 25, 2017 4:57 am

KqWIN wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:Lol what? How are you disagreeing with me? A better shooter when you're 7'2 you can just dominate the game by standing next to the basket, but he learned to shoot. He also has good footwork in the post. None of that is natural ability. Shooting is repetition and muscle memeory. Post game is actually really hard and why a lot of centers have a hard time learning how to play in the post.

I find it ridiculous to say that one player is more dedicated because he is more skilled. Michael Beasley is infinitely more skilled than someone like Tony Allen, but that doesn't mean he is more dedicated to becoming a better player. Take a look at all the D-League guys that are just a shot away from being an NBA caliber players. You can bet that those guys are working everyday to become a better shooter, but there's still going to be guys that will better shooters after putting in a fraction of the work.

Skill development requires hard work, but hard work doesn't guarantee skill development. People always say that shooting can be taught, and while that's true it doesn't mean that everyone can be taught. Most guys that can't shoot coming into the league end up not being able to shoot, and it's not because they didn't work at it. The ones that do improve are the exceptions. If all took to become a great shooter was hard work, there would be a whole lot more great shooters in the league.

They are completely different players coming into the league, which is why I'm lukewarm on the comparison. If you want to say that Jeanne is more dedicated to becoming a better jump shooter, fine, but that doesn't mean he has a better work ethic than Gobert. That because it isn't a part of Gobert's game. If Gobert had been working on his post moves and shooting ability this whole time he'd either still be in the D-League or back in Europe.

Also, you don't just dominate the game because you're 7'2. If that's the case, you could just as easily say that Jeanne is lazy and doesn't want to dominate the game. He shoots >50% from the field, hardly domination.

Anyone can be great if they have the mental fortitude, even someone Isaiah Thomas' height. I wasn't saying he has the learning ability to be great because the truth is most people just can't mentally learn a lot of stuff. I'm not saying that he will become Hakeem at all, Im saying that so far in his career he has put in the work. You can't project these guys down the line because we don't know them at all. You can judge their personality based on stuff outside of basketball, but basketball is a different thing. Players that love the game usually succeed, but every person is different. Some players just watch it a lot and they know the game. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the great players have one motivation -- money because it's a multi-million dollar business and all you need is one big payoff.

For a kid, shooting and footwork is a lot. Those kids who are super advanced have gone through tons of programs and have had personal training. Most already have relationships with NBA players because they met them at one of their camps. International players especially don't have the same opportunities.

I'm confused with what you're talking about and I don't think you know what I'm talking about because I think we're talking about different things.

KqWIN · Post #63 » by **KqWIN** » Thu May 25, 2017 5:15 am

doordoor123 wrote:Anyone can be great if they have the mental fortitude, even someone Isaiah Thomas' height. I wasn't saying he has the learning ability to be great because the truth is most people just can't mentally learn a lot of stuff. I'm not saying that he will become Hakeem at all, Im saying that so far in his career he has put in the work. You can't project these guys down the line because we don't know them at all. You can judge their personality based on stuff outside of basketball, but basketball is a different thing. Players that love the game usually succeed, but every person is different. Some players just watch it a lot and they know the game. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the great players have one motivation -- money because it's a multi-million dollar business and all you need is one big payoff.

For a kid, shooting and footwork is a lot. Those kids who are super advanced have gone through tons of programs and have had personal training. Most already have relationships with NBA players because they met them at one of their camps. International players especially don't have the same opportunities.

I'm confused with what you're talking about and I don't think you know what I'm talking about because I think we're talking about different things.

Mental fortitude is needed to be great, but not everyone can be great because they have mental fortitude. In any case, I don't think being better at something automatically means you have more mental fortitude.

As far as being talking about different things, I don't understand this quote:

To learn the footwork and to have a jump shot shows more dedication than Gobert had.

Footwork and shooting can be hard, but that doesn't show me that he has more dedication than Gobert. I'd agree that he put in more work on those things, but like I said, they are different players. Different players work on different things.

I know Gobert has a tremendous amount of drive because we've seen his career pan out. He's been one of the most improved players in the league, twice, and has had his competitiveness pointed out numerous times by his teammates, coaches, FO members, and competitors.

We don't know if Jeanne has that dedication and work ethic yet. Saying he has more because of his better jump shot and footwork is not something I understand.

plutoking · Post #64 » by **plutoking** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 12:05 am

Read on Twitter

Absolutely awful for him. Isaiah Austin managed to get cleared to play basketball again 2 years after he was diagnosed, so maybe there is still hope for Jonathan.

zzaj · Post #65 » by **zzaj** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 12:25 am

plutoking wrote:

Read on Twitter

Absolutely awful for him. Isaiah Austin managed to get cleared to play basketball again 2 years after he was diagnosed, so maybe there is still hope for Jonathan.

Hope to play basketball in some capacity, yes. Play in the NBA? Very little chance...

EvanZ · Post #66 » by **EvanZ** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 12:53 am

This sucks. One of my favorite prospects in this draft.

Post #67 » by **GimmeDat** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 3:32 am

Really sad. Hopefully he is able to safely resume his career at some stage.

TJM217 · Post #68 » by **TJM217** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:14 am

plutoking wrote:

Read on Twitter

Absolutely awful for him. Isaiah Austin managed to get cleared to play basketball again 2 years after he was diagnosed, so maybe there is still hope for Jonathan.

Im always surprised that this doesn't happen more often. Its a rare disease but causes the physical characteristics of a great basketball player

neno · Post #69 » by **neno** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 7:09 am

Good thing he came to combine and discovered this so he can get proper treatment and come back better than ever.
Good luck and best wishes Johnathan see you soon.

cedric76 · Post #70 » by **cedric76** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:15 am

Remind me turiaf sad news basketball wise for him but best get spotted early and live a normal life

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TKainZero · Post #71 » by **TKainZero** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 3:38 pm

cedric76 wrote:Remind me turiaf sad news basketball wise for him but best get spotted early and live a normal life

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Turiaf had an heart issue (if I recal)but was able to play through it

Glad this was identified.

Wish him the best

I wonder if he will get the same treatment that Austin did a couple years back (a token selections at end of lotto)

nolang1 · Post #72 » by **nolang1** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 8:56 pm

TKainZero wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Remind me turiaf sad news basketball wise for him but best get spotted early and live a normal life

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Turiaf had an heart issue (if I recal)but was able to play through it

Glad this was identified.

Wish him the best

I wonder if he will get the same treatment that Austin did a couple years back (a token selections at end of lotto)

Turiaf's issue could be fixed with surgery and then he could play again once he had recovered. Marfan syndrome could lead to a similar heart issue, but the underlying cause of it wouldn't be fixed after surgery.

pad300 · Post #73 » by **pad300** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:56 pm

Does anyone know if he has actually withdrawn? I cannot find an announcement with a quick google search...

doordoor123 · Post #74 » by **doordoor123** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:52 pm

pad300 wrote:Does anyone know if he has actually withdrawn? I cannot find an announcement with a quick google search...

Pretty sure he's automatically ineligible with his heart issue.

EvanZ · Post #75 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:47 am

neno wrote:Good thing he came to combine and discovered this so he can get proper treatment and come back better than ever.
Good luck and best wishes Johnathan see you soon.

As said above it's a genetic disorder. It can't be "treated". He has to live with it and the permanent risk of cardiovascular complications that come with it.

pad300 · Post #76 » by **pad300** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:58 am

doordoor123 wrote:
pad300 wrote:Does anyone know if he has actually withdrawn? I cannot find an announcement with a quick google search...

Pretty sure he's automatically ineligible with his heart issue.

They may be pulling the same thing they did with Isaiah Austin. DX just published a "OFFICIAL 2017 NBA DRAFT EARLY-ENTRY WITHDRAWAL LIST"
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/official-2017-nba-draft-early-entry-withdrawal-list-released-by-nba-6014/
and Jeanne is not on the withdrawn nor the remaining in portions of the list.

Further thought - if they did "ceremonially" draft him, like they did with Austin, could a team gamble on his recovering enough to play pro (like Austin did), by drafting him in the 2nd round - say at 59?

BillyKingGM · Post #77 » by **BillyKingGM** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:56 am

I have marfans. The thing is they don't actually know if you have it. There's no test or anything of the sort, there's just a lot of things that people with marfans tend to have, and if you have enough of them they say you have it. You don't actually know if you have it or not until you drop dead.

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doordoor123 · Post #78 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:02 am

BillyKingGM wrote:I have marfans. The thing is they don't actually know if you have it. There's no test or anything of the sort, there's just a lot of things that people with marfans tend to have, and if you have enough of them they say you have it. You don't actually know if you have it or not until you drop dead.

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I don't mean any offense because I don't know much about it, but that sounds really sad. Do you know what the symptoms are? And how can you ever be sure someone doesn't have it, like Austin? He was cleared recently. Specifically in the NBA I don't think it's allowed generally because they're afraid of it. In other countries it's okay to play with it, which is why Austin is overseas. But I wonder why he was cleared of there's no way to know if he still has it. Again, sorry for my ignorance, I'm just trying to understand.

BillyKingGM · Post #79 » by **BillyKingGM** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:12 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
BillyKingGM wrote:I have marfans. The thing is they don't actually know if you have it. There's no test or anything of the sort, there's just a lot of things that people with marfans tend to have, and if you have enough of them they say you have it. You don't actually know if you have it or not until you drop dead.

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I don't mean any offense because I don't know much about it, but that sounds really sad. Do you know what the symptoms are? And how can you ever be sure someone doesn't have it, like Austin? He was cleared recently. Specifically in the NBA I don't think it's allowed generally because they're afraid of it. In other countries it's okay to play with it, which is why Austin is overseas. But I wonder why he was cleared of there's no way to know if he still has it. Again, sorry for my ignorance, I'm just trying to understand.

It's no big deal. Basically the symptoms are being really tall, having oddly proportioned bones, flat feet, malformed chest, and then having a heart murmur. Usually the murmur comes from having an enlarged ventricle, which is what I have. The way you die is at some point, usually during physical activity, your aorta will just explode basically. So I got a lot of notes to get out of PT. It worked out for me so far, and to be honest I doubt I have it because I don't look nearly as freaky as someone like JJ, but it's one of those "better safe than sorry" moves and doctors aren't afraid to overdiagnose it since there really isn't treatment except to not do a lot of physical activity.

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Sabas11 · Post #80 » by **Sabas11** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:49 pm

Anyone remember this 2017 international prospect? He's actually resumed his career and been playing pro ball in Denmark since 2019.

Just had 41 points (17/22 FG 3/3 on threes), 12 rebounds, 6 assists in a playoffs semi-finals game. Averaged 18/9/3 with 2 blocks this season. Pretty nice to see he's doing well and shining on a basketball court, albeit in a tier C European league.