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Post#541 » by CelticsLV » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:28 pm

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Curmudgeon wrote:Florida has no state income tax. That's Miami's first selling point. The Second is that they went 30-11 for the second half of the season: a 60-win pace. And with Bosh off the payroll, Miami has more cap space than Boston,


The taxes doesn't really work like that. They pay state taxes depending on where the games are played, for starters. So it is much less of an advantage than people have claimed. Been several illuminating articles about this from tax lawyers who work with pro athletes.

No doubt that they are an attractive FA destination, but easy to get carried away with that first point. Also really to overstate the value of the end of season record. Heat were a .500 team that didn't even make the playoffs last year, and would be no better than the Jazz team that he'd be leaving.

A Dragic/Hayward/Whiteside/Winslow/Tyler Johnson core is not going to get it done.


IT/Fultz/Hayward/Crowder/Horford will not either. Heat match up better against Cavs than we. They actually have a legit body to put against LeBron - James Johnson who was playing really well for them. Crowder + Horford vs Love + Thompson is a joke. Our only hope against Thompson would be rookie Zizič? We're still filled with pussies in the frontcourt and undersized in general. If Ainge doesn't give Hayward a win now plan then i see no advantage for us. It's a toss up to be fair.
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Re: Hayward Undecided 

Post#542 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:50 pm

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Why Miami besides the city?


The media has to once again do the fawning over Riley as a closer thing. He has to rebuild his cred since Lebron left, then wade left.

So, of course, the heat are threat.


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Post#543 » by GreenMasterz » Fri Jun 9, 2017 7:11 pm

Good ..Miami can sign him! ... even if celtics signs him we won't be able to beat Cavs lol next year! So what's the hype????? Go for Pg13 and that will scare the Cavs
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Post#544 » by Gant » Fri Jun 9, 2017 7:23 pm

GreenMasterz wrote:Good ..Miami can sign him! ... even if celtics signs him we won't be able to beat Cavs lol next year! So what's the hype????? Go for Pg13 and that will scare the Cavs


The hype is the price (in net assets). Free. Maybe that's why they call them "free" agents... maybe not.

Would you like a free all star? Yes please.
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Re: Hayward Undecided 

Post#545 » by Captain_Caveman » Fri Jun 9, 2017 8:15 pm

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Curmudgeon wrote:Florida has no state income tax. That's Miami's first selling point. The Second is that they went 30-11 for the second half of the season: a 60-win pace. And with Bosh off the payroll, Miami has more cap space than Boston,


The taxes doesn't really work like that. They pay state taxes depending on where the games are played, for starters. So it is much less of an advantage than people have claimed. Been several illuminating articles about this from tax lawyers who work with pro athletes.

No doubt that they are an attractive FA destination, but easy to get carried away with that first point. Also really to overstate the value of the end of season record. Heat were a .500 team that didn't even make the playoffs last year, and would be no better than the Jazz team that he'd be leaving.

A Dragic/Hayward/Whiteside/Winslow/Tyler Johnson core is not going to get it done.


IT/Fultz/Hayward/Crowder/Horford will not either. Heat match up better against Cavs than we. They actually have a legit body to put against LeBron - James Johnson who was playing really well for them. Crowder + Horford vs Love + Thompson is a joke. Our only hope against Thompson would be rookie Zizič? We're still filled with pussies in the frontcourt and undersized in general. If Ainge doesn't give Hayward a win now plan then i see no advantage for us. It's a toss up to be fair.


It's not at all a tossup. We are not a finished product and are far better situated to make improvements. Considering that Jaylen wasn't even a factor last year, we essentially have like three top 5 picks coming to a team that was already better than the Heat were last year. With a better coach. And multiple other good picks on the way. Plus two 1st round Eurostashes. And all of these assets can be used in major trades.
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Re: Hayward Undecided 

Post#546 » by 165bows » Fri Jun 9, 2017 8:59 pm

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Curmudgeon wrote:Florida has no state income tax. That's Miami's first selling point. The Second is that they went 30-11 for the second half of the season: a 60-win pace. And with Bosh off the payroll, Miami has more cap space than Boston,


How predictive do we think that 30-11 is for next year?

Thing is every team has up and down streaks. Celtics went 40-17 after starting 13-12.
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Post#547 » by drs123310 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 9:08 pm

GreenMasterz wrote:Good ..Miami can sign him! ... even if celtics signs him we won't be able to beat Cavs lol next year! So what's the hype????? Go for Pg13 and that will scare the Cavs


I think we all need to move on from entertaining any idea of obtaining PG13, unless it's through free agency. He now has one year left on his deal, and has made it abundantly clear that he wants to be a Laker. Any team that moves valuable assets for him at this point is foolish
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Re: Hayward Undecided 

Post#548 » by CelticsLV » Fri Jun 9, 2017 9:20 pm

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The taxes doesn't really work like that. They pay state taxes depending on where the games are played, for starters. So it is much less of an advantage than people have claimed. Been several illuminating articles about this from tax lawyers who work with pro athletes.

No doubt that they are an attractive FA destination, but easy to get carried away with that first point. Also really to overstate the value of the end of season record. Heat were a .500 team that didn't even make the playoffs last year, and would be no better than the Jazz team that he'd be leaving.

A Dragic/Hayward/Whiteside/Winslow/Tyler Johnson core is not going to get it done.


IT/Fultz/Hayward/Crowder/Horford will not either. Heat match up better against Cavs than we. They actually have a legit body to put against LeBron - James Johnson who was playing really well for them. Crowder + Horford vs Love + Thompson is a joke. Our only hope against Thompson would be rookie Zizič? We're still filled with pussies in the frontcourt and undersized in general. If Ainge doesn't give Hayward a win now plan then i see no advantage for us. It's a toss up to be fair.


It's not at all a tossup. We are not a finished product and are far better situated to make improvements. Considering that Jaylen wasn't even a factor last year, we essentially have like three top 5 picks coming to a team that was already better than the Heat were last year. With a better coach. And multiple other good picks on the way. Plus two 1st round Eurostashes. And all of these assets can be used in major trades.


Us being better than Heat is seriously arguable. I don't know why you are so sure about it? We beat them, that's why? Our record was better? Our record was better at the end of the season but when Heat health issues sorted out they were better than us. 60 win pace in the 2nd half of the season is nothing to take lightly. We were hopeless against Cavs while they beat them 3 times, also beat Warriors full squad. Winslow was injured for the most of the season and didn't even contribute yet just like Brown for us.

If you want to tell me Celtics have a better chance against Cavs with Hayward than Heat with Hayward then we're in a major disagreement here. Heat match up better against Cavs, period, especially with Hayward. Us, not so much. If anything, our frontcourt gets much weaker. Playing undersized and relying on rookies isn't really a sales pitch. If we have a guranteed trade for another all-star lined up to present to Hayward then we have a better shot.

If you think Horford came here because of all the assets then you're fooling yourself. We were legit in play for Durant. Horford even said that he liked Wizards talent more than ours. Shot at Durant was the major selling point.
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Re: Hayward Undecided 

Post#549 » by Captain_Caveman » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:12 pm

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IT/Fultz/Hayward/Crowder/Horford will not either. Heat match up better against Cavs than we. They actually have a legit body to put against LeBron - James Johnson who was playing really well for them. Crowder + Horford vs Love + Thompson is a joke. Our only hope against Thompson would be rookie Zizič? We're still filled with pussies in the frontcourt and undersized in general. If Ainge doesn't give Hayward a win now plan then i see no advantage for us. It's a toss up to be fair.


It's not at all a tossup. We are not a finished product and are far better situated to make improvements. Considering that Jaylen wasn't even a factor last year, we essentially have like three top 5 picks coming to a team that was already better than the Heat were last year. With a better coach. And multiple other good picks on the way. Plus two 1st round Eurostashes. And all of these assets can be used in major trades.


Us being better than Heat is seriously arguable. I don't know why you are so sure about it? We beat them, that's why? Our record was better? Our record was better at the end of the season but when Heat health issues sorted out they were better than us. 60 win pace in the 2nd half of the season is nothing to take lightly. We were hopeless against Cavs while they beat them 3 times, also beat Warriors full squad. Winslow was injured for the most of the season and didn't even contribute yet just like Brown for us.

If you want to tell me Celtics have a better chance against Cavs with Hayward than Heat with Hayward then we're in a major disagreement here. Heat match up better against Cavs, period, especially with Hayward. Us, not so much. If anything, our frontcourt gets much weaker. Playing undersized and relying on rookies isn't really a sales pitch. If we have a guranteed trade for another all-star lined up to present to Hayward then we have a better shot.

If you think Horford came here because of all the assets then you're fooling yourself. We were legit in play for Durant. Horford even said that he liked Wizards talent more than ours. Shot at Durant was the major selling point.


Not that arguable based on the fact that we were a #1 seed that made the ECFs while they were a 9th seed and .500 team that didn't even make the playoffs. If you want to lend more weight to their 2nd half of the season than their 1st, that's fine, but it doesn't make up all that ground.

Who is the Heat's All-Star, btw?

If you are being objective and holding both teams to the same standard, we are a better team with more means to improve.
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Re: Hayward Undecided 

Post#550 » by Captain_Caveman » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:14 pm

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Curmudgeon wrote:Florida has no state income tax. That's Miami's first selling point. The Second is that they went 30-11 for the second half of the season: a 60-win pace. And with Bosh off the payroll, Miami has more cap space than Boston,


How predictive do we think that 30-11 is for next year?

Thing is every team has up and down streaks. Celtics went 40-17 after starting 13-12.


Cavs were 23-23 in their last 56.
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Post#551 » by SparringPartner » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:30 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:It's not at all a tossup. We are not a finished product and are far better situated to make improvements. Considering that Jaylen wasn't even a factor last year, we essentially have like three top 5 picks coming to a team that was already better than the Heat were last year. With a better coach. And multiple other good picks on the way. Plus two 1st round Eurostashes. And all of these assets can be used in major trades.


The Celtics are already the #1 seed in the East.
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Post#552 » by The Corey's » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:44 pm

So if bosh didn't come off the books would they have the cap to sign Hayward?

If not than I'm more angry about ythe bosh and cap situation than I thought
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Post#553 » by Higgs Boston » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:54 pm

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Post#554 » by Asian Celtic » Fri Jun 9, 2017 10:57 pm

Lmao. Hayward coming here or not is a win for us. Hayward comes here we become more competitive, a closer shot at an upset. Hayward no coming opens up minutes to Jaylen and other rooks in the guard / wings position. Y'all gotta chill with Miami being a runner up, them with Hayward just looks like a poor man's Jazz team.
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Post#555 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:11 pm

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Post#556 » by Wes-J » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:21 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Florida has no state income tax. That's Miami's first selling point. The Second is that they went 30-11 for the second half of the season: a 60-win pace. And with Bosh off the payroll, Miami has more cap space than Boston,


The taxes doesn't really work like that. They pay state taxes depending on where the games are played, for starters. So it is much less of an advantage than people have claimed. Been several illuminating articles about this from tax lawyers who work with pro athletes.

No doubt that they are an attractive FA destination, but easy to get carried away with that first point. Also really to overstate the value of the end of season record. Heat were a .500 team that didn't even make the playoffs last year, and would be no better than the Jazz team that he'd be leaving.

A Dragic/Hayward/Whiteside/Winslow/Tyler Johnson core is not going to get it done.


Not to mention Waiters was a major part of that big run and he's not likely to come back after hitting the FA market.
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Post#557 » by Green89 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:25 am

Miami can offer Hayward the opportunity to play with Hassan Whiteside and Goran Dragic within their established culture of winning.


Marc Stein losing a lot of cred with this rubbish.
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Post#558 » by GreenMasterz » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:36 am

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GreenMasterz wrote:Good ..Miami can sign him! ... even if celtics signs him we won't be able to beat Cavs lol next year! So what's the hype????? Go for Pg13 and that will scare the Cavs


The hype is the price (in net assets). Free. Maybe that's why they call them "free" agents... maybe not.

Would you like a free all star? Yes please.



Since when he is an all star .. ? He is not an all star lol .. So no please
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Post#559 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:46 am

GreenMasterz wrote:
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GreenMasterz wrote:Good ..Miami can sign him! ... even if celtics signs him we won't be able to beat Cavs lol next year! So what's the hype????? Go for Pg13 and that will scare the Cavs


The hype is the price (in net assets). Free. Maybe that's why they call them "free" agents... maybe not.

Would you like a free all star? Yes please.



Since when he is an all star .. ? He is not an all star lol .. So no please

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And it's more difficult to become an All-Star in the loaded West. He's only going to get more efficient playing for his ex-coach in a better system. I wouldn't be surprised if he surpasses Butler and George during his time with the Celtics. His numbers were already comparable to both this past season.
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Re: Hayward Undecided 

Post#560 » by canman1971 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:57 am

Green89 wrote:
Miami can offer Hayward the opportunity to play with Hassan Whiteside and Goran Dragic within their established culture of winning.


Marc Stein losing a lot of cred with this rubbish.

For the love of a higher power, WTF is he talking about? Winning culture? How about once LeBron left, they were done. How about once Shaq left they were done. Now it's Whiteside and Dragic? This world has **** lost it's mind. Stein is officially an ESPN brainwashed tool.

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