Trade Thread

[TheSuzerain]

I wonder if there's a deal with Milwaukee to get Middleton. I know he's coming off injury, but I'm a huge fan of the guy.

RoLo, Portis and 16?

Hilariously lopsided in our favor.

[Just_Bullz]

I would try all i can to try get seth curry. He's slolwy emerging in Dallas but i doubt cuban wants anyone from us of equivalent value.

[sco]

I wonder if there's a deal with Milwaukee to get Middleton. I know he's coming off injury, but I'm a huge fan of the guy.

RoLo, Portis and 16?

Hilariously lopsided in our favor.

How about this year and 2019 1sts - if we're not tanking.

[sco]

See Detroit still wants to trade Drummond.

The bad - big contract for 3 more years, only averaged 1.1 blocks, 40% FT
The good - 14/14, Only 23

Wonder if 2 1sts and Lopez gets it done. I think Detroit was just a mess...he has value.

[SpinninHouse]

See Detroit still wants to trade Drummond.

The bad - big contract for 3 more years, only averaged 1.1 blocks, 40% FT
The good - 14/14, Only 23

Wonder if 2 1sts and Lopez gets it done. I think Detroit was just a mess...he has value.

Geez, Drummond's only 23 still? Feels like he's been in the NBA for 10 years.

[Chi town]

So Lebron gets swept and goes to the Lakers...

East is now wide open.


What does GarPax do? IMO it changes a lot.

[Chicagoat]

So Lebron gets swept and goes to the Lakers

[Bulldog23]

Not sure if a trade is possible for this kid, but Jerami Grant. I really like his game. He is really athletic and can defend the 2 to 4 position. He more of a rebounder. He is really redundant next to Roberson.

[rowseyna]

So Lebron gets swept and goes to the Lakers...

East is now wide open.


What does GarPax do? IMO it changes a lot.

Trade RoLo for Melo and O'Quinn and then draft Mitchell at #16 and Thornwell at #38.

Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Grant/Wade/Mitchell/Thornwell
Butler/Zipser/Valentine
Melo/Portis
O'Quinn/Felicio/Lauvergne

[realEAST]

What would you guys think about trade like this:

Valentine, Portis, Grant, 2017 1st (#16) for Mudiay, Barton

Nuggets get another almost lotto pick, and three solid prospects - Valentine can cover hole at SF, Portis is developing and could be good fit along Jokic, while Grant can slide in that backup combo role he performed well in this season and develop from there.

Barton already stated that he will be testing FA waters, and Mudiay was benched half way through the season due to struggles. However, if Bulls aren't trading Jimmy, this would be nice move towards becoming more serious team. I think both of them can start for us.


I posted it at Nuggets board and two responses were positive (skywalker33 and NuggetsWY), so I guess value is more or less fine.


I'd be satisfied with this trade in isolation,
but my idea was that we could trade for Melo with Rondo, Payne and Zipser (we have cap space to absorb the rest of salary), completing interesting starting lineup of Mudiay-Barton-Butler-Melo-Lopez.
With Wade expiring and Melo on Early termination, along low Barton cap hold, we could have considerable cap space next summer if needed, and few good pieces in place.

[GimmeDat]

What would you guys think about trade like this:

Valentine, Portis, Grant, 2017 1st (#16) for Mudiay, Barton

Nuggets get another almost lotto pick, and three solid prospects - Valentine can cover hole at SF, Portis is developing and could be good fit along Jokic, while Grant can slide in that backup combo role he performed well in this season and develop from there.

Barton already stated that he will be testing FA waters, and Mudiay was benched half way through the season due to struggles. However, if Bulls aren't trading Jimmy, this would be nice move towards becoming more serious team. I think both of them can start for us.


I posted it at Nuggets board and two responses were positive (skywalker33 and NuggetsWY), so I guess value is more or less fine.


I'd be satisfied with this trade in isolation,
but my idea was that we could trade for Melo with Rondo, Payne and Zipser (we have cap space to absorb the rest of salary), completing interesting starting lineup of Mudiay-Barton-Butler-Melo-Lopez.
With Wade expiring and Melo on Early termination, along low Barton cap hold, we could have considerable cap space next summer if needed, and few good pieces in place.

I'm not a fan because Mudiay has been really bad. I like the idea of consolidating for a better prospect, but I don't think Mudiay is the guy.

[sco]

What would you guys think about trade like this:

Valentine, Portis, Grant, 2017 1st (#16) for Mudiay, Barton

Nuggets get another almost lotto pick, and three solid prospects - Valentine can cover hole at SF, Portis is developing and could be good fit along Jokic, while Grant can slide in that backup combo role he performed well in this season and develop from there.

Barton already stated that he will be testing FA waters, and Mudiay was benched half way through the season due to struggles. However, if Bulls aren't trading Jimmy, this would be nice move towards becoming more serious team. I think both of them can start for us.


I posted it at Nuggets board and two responses were positive (skywalker33 and NuggetsWY), so I guess value is more or less fine.

I like Barton, but not a huge fan of Mudiay. I'd try to keep 16 or Portis in that deal and leave out Mudiay.

I'd be satisfied with this trade in isolation,
but my idea was that we could trade for Melo with Rondo, Payne and Zipser (we have cap space to absorb the rest of salary), completing interesting starting lineup of Mudiay-Barton-Butler-Melo-Lopez.
With Wade expiring and Melo on Early termination, along low Barton cap hold, we could have considerable cap space next summer if needed, and few good pieces in place.

[realEAST]

What would you guys think about trade like this:

Valentine, Portis, Grant, 2017 1st (#16) for Mudiay, Barton

Nuggets get anothe my stancer almost lotto pick, and three solid prospects - Valentine can cover hole at SF, Portis is developing and could be good fit along Jokic, while Grant can slide in that backup combo role he performed well in this season and develop from there.

Barton already stated that he will be testing FA waters, and Mudiay was benched half way through the season due to struggles. However, if Bulls aren't trading Jimmy, this would be nice move towards becoming more serious team. I think both of them can start for us.


I posted it at Nuggets board and two responses were positive (skywalker33 and NuggetsWY), so I guess value is more or less fine.


I'd be satisfied with this trade in isolation,
but my idea was that we could trade for Melo with Rondo, Payne and Zipser (we have cap space to absorb the rest of salary), completing interesting starting lineup of Mudiay-Barton-Butler-Melo-Lopez.
With Wade expiring and Melo on Early termination, along low Barton cap hold, we could have considerable cap space next summer if needed, and few good pieces in place.

I'm not a fan because Mudiay has been really bad. I like the idea of consolidating for a better prospect, but I don't think Mudiay is the guy.

I actually like Mudiay, think there is much more to come from him once more consistent (and through this season he matured imo) and put in right situation. I think with Butler there to take consistent ball handling pressure off him, he could gradually come into his own. I like he is a good defender too.
Here is take from Rebel from Nuggets board, it mostly reflect my thoughts, but he's seen much more of him:

Mudiay's biggest problem is he is a young PG, that relies on confidence in what he is doing. He thinks to much when the paint is crowded which happens often when the floor is not spread enough, he has to be on the floor with shooters to spread the floor. He also is useful as an off the ball spot up shooter where he is pretty solid. He was terrible with the lineup featuring Barton, Faried, and Nurkic, but was great at the end of the season on the court with Murray, Hernangomez, and some combination of Jokic, Chandler, or Plumlee. I hate to lose the guy now that Malone finally has figured out to use him, but it maybe for the best.

[3noD]

Part of the problem is thinking about the draft as 30 or 60 guys, it's the top 30 guys out of maybe a thousand possible guys.

I don't follow. What do you mean, part of the problem?

If you think of the success rate of a pool of 30 guys and that the 5th guy picked should be better than the 15th guy picked, it would seem more obvious that stats would back that. If you are looking at after-the-fact success rate of 5th vs. 15th out of 1000, you are much more likely see statistical variance - especially given that ascribed value is often on placed on unproven supposition of future performance based on physical attributes and demonstrated performance against lesser competition.

Very smart take. Add to that that top 10 are all super young which adds to the uncertainty of who will pan out.


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[TheSuzerain]

What would you guys think about trade like this:

Valentine, Portis, Grant, 2017 1st (#16) for Mudiay, Barton

Nuggets get another almost lotto pick, and three solid prospects - Valentine can cover hole at SF, Portis is developing and could be good fit along Jokic, while Grant can slide in that backup combo role he performed well in this season and develop from there.

Barton already stated that he will be testing FA waters, and Mudiay was benched half way through the season due to struggles. However, if Bulls aren't trading Jimmy, this would be nice move towards becoming more serious team. I think both of them can start for us.


I posted it at Nuggets board and two responses were positive (skywalker33 and NuggetsWY), so I guess value is more or less fine.


I'd be satisfied with this trade in isolation,
but my idea was that we could trade for Melo with Rondo, Payne and Zipser (we have cap space to absorb the rest of salary), completing interesting starting lineup of Mudiay-Barton-Butler-Melo-Lopez.
With Wade expiring and Melo on Early termination, along low Barton cap hold, we could have considerable cap space next summer if needed, and few good pieces in place.

Barton is an unrestriced FA. Mudiay is the worst PG in recent memory.

Terrible trade.

[realEAST]

What would you guys think about trade like this:

Valentine, Portis, Grant, 2017 1st (#16) for Mudiay, Barton

Nuggets get another almost lotto pick, and three solid prospects - Valentine can cover hole at SF, Portis is developing and could be good fit along Jokic, while Grant can slide in that backup combo role he performed well in this season and develop from there.

Barton already stated that he will be testing FA waters, and Mudiay was benched half way through the season due to struggles. However, if Bulls aren't trading Jimmy, this would be nice move towards becoming more serious team. I think both of them can start for us.


I posted it at Nuggets board and two responses were positive (skywalker33 and NuggetsWY), so I guess value is more or less fine.


I'd be satisfied with this trade in isolation,
but my idea was that we could trade for Melo with Rondo, Payne and Zipser (we have cap space to absorb the rest of salary), completing interesting starting lineup of Mudiay-Barton-Butler-Melo-Lopez.
With Wade expiring and Melo on Early termination, along low Barton cap hold, we could have considerable cap space next summer if needed, and few good pieces in place.

Barton is an unrestriced FA. Mudiay is the worst PG in recent memory.

Terrible trade.

As long as your take is not superficial...

Barton being UFA is reason we can get both of these guys for such offer. Re-sign him if he is good.
Mudiay is nowhere near worst PG, just look at Bulls and our crop.
Besides, he is only 21 and has all the tools for a guard, wouldn't be surprised if he broke out next season, he just need to be put in right situation.

[3noD]

What would you guys think about trade like this:

Valentine, Portis, Grant, 2017 1st (#16) for Mudiay, Barton

Nuggets get another almost lotto pick, and three solid prospects - Valentine can cover hole at SF, Portis is developing and could be good fit along Jokic, while Grant can slide in that backup combo role he performed well in this season and develop from there.

Barton already stated that he will be testing FA waters, and Mudiay was benched half way through the season due to struggles. However, if Bulls aren't trading Jimmy, this would be nice move towards becoming more serious team. I think both of them can start for us.


I posted it at Nuggets board and two responses were positive (skywalker33 and NuggetsWY), so I guess value is more or less fine.


I'd be satisfied with this trade in isolation,
but my idea was that we could trade for Melo with Rondo, Payne and Zipser (we have cap space to absorb the rest of salary), completing interesting starting lineup of Mudiay-Barton-Butler-Melo-Lopez.
With Wade expiring and Melo on Early termination, along low Barton cap hold, we could have considerable cap space next summer if needed, and few good pieces in place.

I'm not a fan because Mudiay has been really bad. I like the idea of consolidating for a better prospect, but I don't think Mudiay is the guy.

Fair point, but this is the type of guys Garpax have to take a shot on. Young guy, great talent base, but slow NBA uptake. Learning curves are highly variable and you hope that he (and someone like Payne) are late bloomers.


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[TheSuzerain]

What would you guys think about trade like this:

Valentine, Portis, Grant, 2017 1st (#16) for Mudiay, Barton

Nuggets get another almost lotto pick, and three solid prospects - Valentine can cover hole at SF, Portis is developing and could be good fit along Jokic, while Grant can slide in that backup combo role he performed well in this season and develop from there.

Barton already stated that he will be testing FA waters, and Mudiay was benched half way through the season due to struggles. However, if Bulls aren't trading Jimmy, this would be nice move towards becoming more serious team. I think both of them can start for us.


I posted it at Nuggets board and two responses were positive (skywalker33 and NuggetsWY), so I guess value is more or less fine.


I'd be satisfied with this trade in isolation,
but my idea was that we could trade for Melo with Rondo, Payne and Zipser (we have cap space to absorb the rest of salary), completing interesting starting lineup of Mudiay-Barton-Butler-Melo-Lopez.
With Wade expiring and Melo on Early termination, along low Barton cap hold, we could have considerable cap space next summer if needed, and few good pieces in place.

Barton is an unrestriced FA. Mudiay is the worst PG in recent memory.

Terrible trade.

As long as your take is not superficial...

Barton being UFA is reason we can get both of these guys for such offer. Re-sign him if he is good.
Mudiay is nowhere near worst PG, just look at Bulls and our crop.
Besides, he is only 21 and has all the tools for a guard, wouldn't be surprised if he broke out next season, he just need to be put in right situation.

Mudiay is genuinely terrible. He has none of the tools for a guard, and if you think he does, then you don't know basketball.

Cameron Payne's rookie year is better than any year of Mudiay's career. He is that bad.

[realEAST]

Barton is an unrestriced FA. Mudiay is the worst PG in recent memory.

Terrible trade.

As long as your take is not superficial...

Barton being UFA is reason we can get both of these guys for such offer. Re-sign him if he is good.
Mudiay is nowhere near worst PG, just look at Bulls and our crop.
Besides, he is only 21 and has all the tools for a guard, wouldn't be surprised if he broke out next season, he just need to be put in right situation.

Mudiay is genuinely terrible. He has none of the tools for a guard, and if you think he does, then you don't know basketball.

Cameron Payne's rookie year is better than any year of Mudiay's career. He is that bad.

There is no point in discussing this if you are to continue with your no argument hot take brick throwing.

Mudiay is 6'5 very athletic guy, is solid shooter, especially as spot up shooter, and has pull up mid range game, and can take it to the rim if lanes are not clogged (thus, right situation). Good handler. Adept at P'n'R, can improve in classic half court (but p'n'r is name of the game today in big part). Solid defender with great tools.

Most of his mistakes are due to youth and inexperience, and he improved greatly to end last season (his first too was just fine for 19 y/o rookie playing as starter at hardest position in the league) after coming off the bench. In total, he played very good when put in right situation (with more than one shooter on floor basically).

And please, don't mention my basketball knowladge while being unable to present single argument in any discussion, it is quite condescending, and you are not the guy to do it. Played it and watched it for too long, don't you worry.

[TheSuzerain]