Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[LonZoBallin]

That's not how we do things and Im pretty happy with that. I'd rather be like the Spurs and build through the draft while winning over the Clippers who traded all their picks and have no assets or promising young players. Wouldn't mind trading them but only for the right thing.

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Build through the draft?

A) MU has shown no ability to build through the draft...to compare the raptors drafting to the Spurs is laughable. Just no

B) The Spurs traded up for Kawhi and hit at 15. Which is hard to hit at 15. Again though, they've had a history of hitting. MU hasn't! The two players they got late in Manu and Parker was just them being ahead of the rest of the league in international scouting. That time has pasted. The chances you getting anything real late in the draft is next to none.

You are comparing 3 years of Masai drafting to 20 years of Spurs drafting. It's not the same quality sure but it's a different level. Either way building through the draft is the best approach. I'd prefer Masais drafting to no drafting

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Building through the draft is the best approach.....in the top 10.

But goodluck with your Bruno, Dwright, Pascal, #23. 2018 pick in the 20's, 2019 pick in the 20's, 2020 pick in the 20's

Good luck

[Troubadour]

Build through the draft?

A) MU has shown no ability to build through the draft...to compare the raptors drafting to the Spurs is laughable. Just no

B) The Spurs traded up for Kawhi and hit at 15. Which is hard to hit at 15. Again though, they've had a history of hitting. MU hasn't! The two players they got late in Manu and Parker was just them being ahead of the rest of the league in international scouting. That time has pasted. The chances you getting anything real late in the draft is next to none.

You are comparing 3 years of Masai drafting to 20 years of Spurs drafting. It's not the same quality sure but it's a different level. Either way building through the draft is the best approach. I'd prefer Masais drafting to no drafting

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Building through the draft is the best approach.....in the top 10.

But goodluck with your Bruno, Dwright, Pascal, #23. 2018 pick in the 20's, 2019 pick in the 20's, 2020 pick in the 20's

Good luck

What are you getting in exchange for the 23rd pick in the draft? No team is giving you a starter for that pick.

[Tortiglioni]

This. I'm wondering if any other fanbase gets this excited about a late first round pick.

The talent at #23 in this draft is basically lottery-level in most drafts, and there are a ton of 2nd-rounders who will be NBA rotation players. That said, I have zero confidence in Masai drafting at #23.

If this is true, that will be unprecedented. We'll see. There are always sleepers that are drafted way later than they should have (i.e. Draymond Green). But what you're saying is that there are 2 dozen lottery talents (non-sleepers) in this draft? And about 40 players in all that should be rotation players? Or are you counting on a number of teams bungling their pick so that a higher-rated player falls to us?

There will be a ton of busts drafted throughout first round, but a higher than normal number of rotation players drafted in the 2nd. The draft is really deep, but with very little separation between #14-45. Essentially what I am saying is that, in this draft, your chances of finding a rotation player in the middle of the 2nd round aren't much lower than your chances of finding one at #23. Ultimately it will come down to scouting. In other words, the Spurs with get an NBA-starter at #29.

[TorontoRapsFan]

DX JG draft talk

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/podcast-jonathan-givony-nba-draft-talk-with-david-locke-5993/

[LonZoBallin]

You are comparing 3 years of Masai drafting to 20 years of Spurs drafting. It's not the same quality sure but it's a different level. Either way building through the draft is the best approach. I'd prefer Masais drafting to no drafting

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Building through the draft is the best approach.....in the top 10.

But goodluck with your Bruno, Dwright, Pascal, #23. 2018 pick in the 20's, 2019 pick in the 20's, 2020 pick in the 20's

Good luck

What are you getting in exchange for the 23rd pick in the draft? No team is giving you a starter for that pick.

If you trade #23 and next years 1st round pick you will be able to move up in the draft. You're banking on the fact you're going to keep winning and don't need another pick in the 20's next year or a pick in the 20's this year. Instead you trade both to move up and get a real player. Think ahead

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Yo I think I might be leaning towards Jordan Bell at 23.

[HeadtopChunes]

I like Bell too. Wonder if we work him out next week.

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[BoyzNTheHood]

Join me my friends! There's plenty of room left on the Jordan Bell bandwagon

[Syd-TK3]

Bell is good but if we are taking a big I'd prefer Bam

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[jimmy keys]

Building through the draft is the best approach.....in the top 10.

But goodluck with your Bruno, Dwright, Pascal, #23. 2018 pick in the 20's, 2019 pick in the 20's, 2020 pick in the 20's

Good luck

What are you getting in exchange for the 23rd pick in the draft? No team is giving you a starter for that pick.

If you trade #23 and next years 1st round pick you will be able to move up in the draft. You're banking on the fact you're going to keep winning and don't need another pick in the 20's next year or a pick in the 20's this year. Instead you trade both to move up and get a real player. Think ahead

I like the idea of trading up for OG Anunoby, but we're never proactive in moving up.

[ill-Will03]

I don't get why people don't have faith in Masais drafting. Yeah sure he's missed on a few picks but most of his picks have been solid NBA players. I have more faith in his drafting than any of our drafting in the past

[Spicy P]

I don't get why people don't have faith in Masais drafting. Yeah sure he's missed on a few picks but most of his picks have been solid NBA players. I have more faith in his drafting than any of our drafting in the past

I don't get it either. He's been working with some really late picks in some pretty weak drafts. If you look at who was picked after the Raptors picks, he couldn't have done much better.

[CoachJReturns]

I don't get why people don't have faith in Masais drafting. Yeah sure he's missed on a few picks but most of his picks have been solid NBA players. I have more faith in his drafting than any of our drafting in the past

Faith is probably the wrong word. He hasn't done anything at the draft in his career to make anyone think he's special at drafting. He's not bad either. Just average like 95 percent of general managers.

[PhilBlackson]

I really won't be surprised if we have some type of trade in place like Corey Joseph for 36 + 39 since we do seem to be looking at guys that are projected bubble 1sts and more so early 2nds and need cap space and Delon and FVV are just as good as CoJo if not better. Not to mention BC is apparently actively shopping them and you know they want a young vet.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/Philadelphia_76ers_Sixers_2017_NBA_draft_second_round_picks.html

[PhilBlackson]

Also even though I want us to draft Bolden, I keep getting the feeling that we're going to draft either Semi or Kuzma. While Semi did well in individual workouts, he did very poorly in actual 5-on-5 which imo is a bit more telling about how good a player is when actually competing where as Kuzma excelled. I know his name has been mentioned in this thread but I am surprised that he doesn't get anywhere near as much buzz as Semi...

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[HeadtopChunes]

Also even though I want us to draft Bolden, I keep getting the feeling that we're going to draft either Semi or Kuzma. While Semi did well in individual workouts, he did very poorly in actual 5-on-5 which imo is a bit more telling about how good a player is when actually competing where as Kuzma excelled. I know his name has been mentioned in this thread but I am surprised that he doesn't get anywhere near as much buzz as Semi...

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UtahRaptors lol

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[PhilBlackson]

Also even though I want us to draft Bolden, I keep getting the feeling that we're going to draft either Semi or Kuzma. While Semi did well in individual workouts, he did very poorly in actual 5-on-5 which imo is a bit more telling about how good a player is when actually competing where as Kuzma excelled. I know his name has been mentioned in this thread but I am surprised that he doesn't get anywhere near as much buzz as Semi...

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UtahRaptors lol

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[Psubs]

Also even though I want us to draft Bolden, I keep getting the feeling that we're going to draft either Semi or Kuzma. While Semi did well in individual workouts, he did very poorly in actual 5-on-5 which imo is a bit more telling about how good a player is when actually competing where as Kuzma excelled. I know his name has been mentioned in this thread but I am surprised that he doesn't get anywhere near as much buzz as Semi...

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He's not an above average defender nor offensive talent. Doesn't shoot FT's close to 80%, he might become a backup player with some time to develop but may be a 10th guy at best. Seems like a poor man's Demarre Carroll.

Semi can shoot FT's and he did put up 3pt shooting and shows nice finishing around the basket.

[S.W.A.N]

Also even though I want us to draft Bolden, I keep getting the feeling that we're going to draft either Semi or Kuzma. While Semi did well in individual workouts, he did very poorly in actual 5-on-5 which imo is a bit more telling about how good a player is when actually competing where as Kuzma excelled. I know his name has been mentioned in this thread but I am surprised that he doesn't get anywhere near as much buzz as Semi...

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He's not an above average defender nor offensive talent. Doesn't shoot FT's close to 80%, he might become a backup player with some time to develop but may be a 10th guy at best. Seems like a poor man's Demarre Carroll.

Semi can shoot FT's and he did put up 3pt shooting and shows nice finishing around the basket.

Workouts are only a small piece of the puzzle. Semi having a bad 5 on 5 means very little in the draft process. Same as Kuzma having a good one. Sure it moves the needle, but not much. These guys have been scouted all year or longer.

I would both these guys in same tier talent wise. Really could come to fit as to which one is better for us.

Personally, Semi is the guy right now. His 3 point shooting and the athleticism to guard some 3's now makes him my first choice.

But Semi, Kuzma,Bolden, Lydon, are all good stretch players I would pick. Bell for his defense is another guy in the mix.

[OAKLEY_2]

Also even though I want us to draft Bolden, I keep getting the feeling that we're going to draft either Semi or Kuzma. While Semi did well in individual workouts, he did very poorly in actual 5-on-5 which imo is a bit more telling about how good a player is when actually competing where as Kuzma excelled. I know his name has been mentioned in this thread but I am surprised that he doesn't get anywhere near as much buzz as Semi...

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Yes I didn't really see the wing footwork skills with Semi. Never mind what we think of Rudy Gay if you look at the way he gets around, how smooth he is, Semi just does not project that. Will say there are people who are sort of rough operators and are skilled at playing the game. Kuzma I like a lot. The mocks baffle me this year. Kuzma looks like a much better prospect than Wilson and a first rounder but are we going to get Dwayne more scoring in this draft?