2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[76ciology]

Bargnani fits today's game.

OMG, the Josh Jackson people have no shame!

Welcome to 2017

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[SelfishPlayer]

Bargnani fits today's game.

OMG, the Josh Jackson people have no shame!

Welcome to 2017

career -0.9 VORP

[76ciology]

OMG, the Josh Jackson people have no shame!

Welcome to 2017

career -0.9 VORP

FIT, that pertains to a player's style of play. I'm not saying he's so much better than a replacement player.

[SelfishPlayer]

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FIT, that pertains to a player's style of play. I'm not saying he's so much better than a replacement player.

He'd be worse today because he's too slow to defend the perimeter so now he can't hid by being a bad defender in the painted area while guarding Okafor types. His best seasons came while playing with another big in Bosh. So you expect teams to play two bigs today?Not ideal...

[smittybanton]

Tickets to the draft keep going up. $75 for the cheap seats, off angle to the stage. Was about $40 last year. Less before. Vegas Summer League game day tickets going up to $30/day. Sheesh. Still a blast. I encourage everyone to go at a least once.

Really? It was only $20 when I went last year. Walked down to more expensive seats by the 10th pick.

Did you buy early? I'm usually a late purchaser. Pretty sure me and my crew got stuck up for $40+ last year.
... So I just went and checked, and Ticketmaster has them down to $41 for the cheapest. I guess I panicked. Lol.

[Negrodamus]

Tickets to the draft keep going up. $75 for the cheap seats, off angle to the stage. Was about $40 last year. Less before. Vegas Summer League game day tickets going up to $30/day. Sheesh. Still a blast. I encourage everyone to go at a least once.

Really? It was only $20 when I went last year. Walked down to more expensive seats by the 10th pick.

Did you buy early? I'm usually a late purchaser. Pretty sure me and my crew got stuck up for $40+ last year.
... So I just went and checked, and Ticketmaster has them down to $41 for the cheapest. I guess I panicked. Lol.

I'm not sure, my girlfriend bought them for me for my birthday (this month), so I can't imagine it was any earlier than June.

[Negrodamus]

If you knew Jayson Tatum would turn out to be Gordon Hayward at the next level, would you select him at 3?

They had similar stats in college, Gordon a bit better with advanced stats, but he was also playing at Butler again lesser competition.

I'd for sure draft him @ 3 knowing that was his outcome. I dunno when watching Butler play that year it was surprising how athletic he was for a you know that kind of guy. I think he looked a lot more explosive going to the basket at Butler than Tatum at Duke. Either way 100% you take Tatum if that is his ceiling.

I actually think Tatum is more athletic. He is slightly slower with the ball in his hands, but he's way more physical with a frame that will be easily built upon. I think he has a smoothness to his game that is very impressive, but the speed will be amped up with conditioning at the next level (which I think he'll attain because his work ethic and leadership, scouts words; not mine, are exemplary).

[vtime]

2 inches doesn't make that much of a difference, especially if he's paired with a big pg, the effect is gone, hell, Philly fans of all people should know about undersized shooting guards, you had a 6'0 MVP shooting guard. They paired him with big pgs and went to the Finals.

Yeah but Allen Iverson was drafted as a PG and played PG at an All Star level. Monk didn't play PG at all in college and doesn't look capable. PG is a more valuable position than short shooting guard. You do not draft a short shooting guard high in the draft. Besides when you start comparing the former #1 pick in the draft and hall of famer to someone that may not go top 5, you are traveling down the wrong road. Lou Williams, Jamal Murray, Shawn Respert, and Tony Delk are some short shooting guards that deserve to be in conversation with Monk more than Iverson.

Some pretty good 2 guards on this league thst are Monk's size. CJ McCollum and Every Bradley jump out to me, but also Redick, Gary Harris, Monta Ellis, Waiters, Oladipo. It would be similar to Houston where Harden rums the pg on offense and Beverly plays off the ball while guarding shooting guards. Simmons would dominate the ball. And Monk played in high school, only played wing because of Fox

[Negrodamus]

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Like I said, he'll be a nice role player as a spot up shooter and great passer. If we want that at 3, then sure, get him. Otherwise, we shouldn't expect superstardom from him. He can't shoot off the dribble and the scouting reports will be crowding him at the 3 point line and forcing him to drive in the paint and try his hand at finishing against the shot blockers of the league. Even if he draws the foul, he's only a 60 some percent FT shooter. If you're comfortable with all of that, Lonzo might be for you (ignoring the whole father situation, too).

[SelfishPlayer]

2 inches doesn't make that much of a difference, especially if he's paired with a big pg, the effect is gone, hell, Philly fans of all people should know about undersized shooting guards, you had a 6'0 MVP shooting guard. They paired him with big pgs and went to the Finals.

Yeah but Allen Iverson was drafted as a PG and played PG at an All Star level. Monk didn't play PG at all in college and doesn't look capable. PG is a more valuable position than short shooting guard. You do not draft a short shooting guard high in the draft. Besides when you start comparing the former #1 pick in the draft and hall of famer to someone that may not go top 5, you are traveling down the wrong road. Lou Williams, Jamal Murray, Shawn Respert, and Tony Delk are some short shooting guards that deserve to be in conversation with Monk more than Iverson.

Some pretty good 2 guards on this league thst are Monk's size. CJ McCollum and Every Bradley jump out to me, but also Redick, Gary Harris, Monta Ellis, Waiters, Oladipo. It would be similar to Houston where Harden rums the pg on offense and Beverly plays off the ball while guarding shooting guards. Simmons would dominate the ball. And Monk played in high school, only played wing because of Fox

Wrong, Briscoe was the starting PG when Fox was injured against the Gators.

[51X3RF4N]

Malik Monk can score, but what else does he bring to the table?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/6/1/15721544/malik-monk-nba-draft-2017-shooting-athleticism-passing-fit

https://clutchpoints.com/malik-monk-had-greatest-shooting-performances-workout-suns-seen/

These articles have me excited about Monk being a Sixer. Who knows? Maybe he is going to be a bust. But watching JR, Kyrie, LBJ, Klay, KD, and Steph amazes me with how they can just hit shots left and right from anywhere against any defense. It's game changing... adding someone like that to Ben and Joel is just exciting to me. Maybe not at 3, but if you could get him at 5 and pick up value from a trade, I would be intrigued.

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[shawn_hemp]

I like Monk's release the most about his game. A lot of guys can hit 3's, and if you go by % numbers, there are better shooters than Monk.

But his ability to catch a ball running just about full speed, turn and eye up the basket, and release the ball in a timely fashion is second to none in this draft

thats what drives me crazy about the downplaying of his shooting ability.

"oh all he does is shoot!"
YEAH BUT HES REALLY GOOD AT IT LIKEWHAT

im sure people said the same thing about Curry coming out of college. "well all he does is shoot"

not saying Monk has evn remotely close tothe ball handling skills as Steph but he isnt as bad of a creator as people give him credit for, and he seems like someone who will expand their game, much like CJ McCollum has

[51X3RF4N]

I think personally that if the best case on Monk is a lighter version of Klay or Booker, then I want that with our group. Like I said, maybe not at 3, but I'd trade down for it.

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[SelfishPlayer]

I like Monk's release the most about his game. A lot of guys can hit 3's, and if you go by % numbers, there are better shooters than Monk.

But his ability to catch a ball running just about full speed, turn and eye up the basket, and release the ball in a timely fashion is second to none in this draft

thats what drives me crazy about the downplaying of his shooting ability.

"oh all he does is shoot!"
YEAH BUT HES REALLY GOOD AT IT LIKEWHAT

im sure people said the same thing about Curry coming out of college. "well all he does is shoot"m

not saying Monk has evn remotely close tothe ball handling skills as Steph but he isnt as bad of a creator as people give him credit for, and he seems like someone who will expand their game, much like CJ McCollum has

The year before Curry entered the draft he was just a shooting scorer. He went back to school another year and became a full time shooting scoring point guard. Monk is still just a shooter.

[Skates]

Monk has a truly sweet and pure looking shot he can get off from almost any motion or position. I never compare players to Steph Curry, but he dies have a pure shooter's stroke like Korver always did.

He can be an amazing weapon on a good team, and is far higher caliber of a role player than some he is compared to, but from a value standpoint he is surely a trade down candidate, not a guy you spend third pick value on.

I am earning a bit to Tatum and wonder if league wide he isn't suffering a bit from Okafor's failings, but the truth is that if Okafor worked as hard as Tatum is reputed to, he would be a much better player than he is.

Less than two weeks to go and I like a lot of players, but am not completely in love with one, except maybe Fultz.

[Unbreakable99]

I like Monk's release the most about his game. A lot of guys can hit 3's, and if you go by % numbers, there are better shooters than Monk.

But his ability to catch a ball running just about full speed, turn and eye up the basket, and release the ball in a timely fashion is second to none in this draft

thats what drives me crazy about the downplaying of his shooting ability.

"oh all he does is shoot!"
YEAH BUT HES REALLY GOOD AT IT LIKEWHAT

im sure people said the same thing about Curry coming out of college. "well all he does is shoot"

not saying Monk has evn remotely close tothe ball handling skills as Steph but he isnt as bad of a creator as people give him credit for, and he seems like someone who will expand their game, much like CJ McCollum has

Monk got shut down by Justin Jackson. All you need to do is put some 6'6 or 6'7 guy on him and Monk will have difficulty getting his shot off. Monk also cooled off in the second half of the season. I like him but I think 3 is too high. I get nervous about these shooters who don't do much else. Monk is a good athlete though. Monk was just a freshman and I do like his burst but he's not getting any taller. What makes him any different than a Ben Gordon or someone on that level. I wouldn't mind getting Monk if we got a 2nd 1st round pick but no way I'm taking him at 3. Too risky to me.

[LloydFree]

I like Monk's release the most about his game. A lot of guys can hit 3's, and if you go by % numbers, there are better shooters than Monk.

But his ability to catch a ball running just about full speed, turn and eye up the basket, and release the ball in a timely fashion is second to none in this draft

thats what drives me crazy about the downplaying of his shooting ability.

"oh all he does is shoot!"
YEAH BUT HES REALLY GOOD AT IT LIKEWHAT

im sure people said the same thing about Curry coming out of college. "well all he does is shoot"

not saying Monk has evn remotely close tothe ball handling skills as Steph but he isnt as bad of a creator as people give him credit for, and he seems like someone who will expand their game, much like CJ McCollum has

Monk got shut down by Justin Jackson. All you need to do is put some 6'6 or 6'7 guy on him and Monk will have difficulty getting his shot off. Monk also cooled off in the second half of the season. I like him but I think 3 is too high. I get nervous about these shooters who don't do much else. Monk is a good athlete though. Monk was just a freshman and I do like his burst but he's not getting any taller. What makes him any different than a Ben Gordon or someone on that level. I wouldn't mind getting Monk if we got a 2nd 1st round pick but no way I'm taking him at 3. Too risky to me.

Ben Gordon is who I think of when I envision what Monk could be in the NBA, except Gordon had a much better handle and was better at getting himself to spots to get his shot.

I like Malik Monk, but taking him with a top 3 pick is borderline ridiculous. Picking a lesser player like him won't hurt you much, if Ben Simmons is an All-star and he's here as long as Monk is here. But what if Simmons re-breaks his foot (or just isn't any good)? Now you're sitting here after 4 years of tanking, with nothing but Embiid and a bunch of mismatched role players. The 76ers aren't at the point where they can bypass high level talent for "fit", like they're one piece away from The Finals. And I'm certainly not going to change my valuation of a prospect based on the thought that I have another player that will always be here to play next to him and make him successful.

[ROA]

I like Monk's release the most about his game. A lot of guys can hit 3's, and if you go by % numbers, there are better shooters than Monk.

But his ability to catch a ball running just about full speed, turn and eye up the basket, and release the ball in a timely fashion is second to none in this draft

thats what drives me crazy about the downplaying of his shooting ability.

"oh all he does is shoot!"
YEAH BUT HES REALLY GOOD AT IT LIKEWHAT

im sure people said the same thing about Curry coming out of college. "well all he does is shoot"

not saying Monk has evn remotely close tothe ball handling skills as Steph but he isnt as bad of a creator as people give him credit for, and he seems like someone who will expand their game, much like CJ McCollum has

Monk got shut down by Justin Jackson. All you need to do is put some 6'6 or 6'7 guy on him and Monk will have difficulty getting his shot off. Monk also cooled off in the second half of the season. I like him but I think 3 is too high. I get nervous about these shooters who don't do much else. Monk is a good athlete though. Monk was just a freshman and I do like his burst but he's not getting any taller. What makes him any different than a Ben Gordon or someone on that level. I wouldn't mind getting Monk if we got a 2nd 1st round pick but no way I'm taking him at 3. Too risky to me.

This is his first duel against Justin Jackson this season.

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[Cheatergriffin]

I like Monk's release the most about his game. A lot of guys can hit 3's, and if you go by % numbers, there are better shooters than Monk.

But his ability to catch a ball running just about full speed, turn and eye up the basket, and release the ball in a timely fashion is second to none in this draft

thats what drives me crazy about the downplaying of his shooting ability.

"oh all he does is shoot!"
YEAH BUT HES REALLY GOOD AT IT LIKEWHAT

im sure people said the same thing about Curry coming out of college. "well all he does is shoot"

not saying Monk has evn remotely close tothe ball handling skills as Steph but he isnt as bad of a creator as people give him credit for, and he seems like someone who will expand their game, much like CJ McCollum has

Monk got shut down by Justin Jackson. All you need to do is put some 6'6 or 6'7 guy on him and Monk will have difficulty getting his shot off. Monk also cooled off in the second half of the season. I like him but I think 3 is too high. I get nervous about these shooters who don't do much else. Monk is a good athlete though. Monk was just a freshman and I do like his burst but he's not getting any taller. What makes him any different than a Ben Gordon or someone on that level. I wouldn't mind getting Monk if we got a 2nd 1st round pick but no way I'm taking him at 3. Too risky to me.

Ben Gordon is who I think of when I envision what Monk could be in the NBA, except Gordon had a much better handle and was better at getting himself to spots to get his shot.

I like Malik Monk, but taking him with a top 3 pick is borderline ridiculous. Picking a lesser player like him won't hurt you much, if Ben Simmons is an All-star and he's here as long as Monk is here. But what if Simmons re-breaks his foot (or just isn't any good)? Now you're sitting here after 4 years of tanking, with nothing but Embiid and a bunch of mismatched role players. The 76ers aren't at the point where they can bypass high level talent for "fit", like they're one piece away from The Finals. And I'm certainly not going to change my valuation of a prospect based on the thought that I have another player that will always be here to play next to him and make him successful.

Nice call. Just to add i think if ben gordon and michael redd had a baby itd be malik monk.

[Unbreakable99]

I like Monk's release the most about his game. A lot of guys can hit 3's, and if you go by % numbers, there are better shooters than Monk.

But his ability to catch a ball running just about full speed, turn and eye up the basket, and release the ball in a timely fashion is second to none in this draft

thats what drives me crazy about the downplaying of his shooting ability.

"oh all he does is shoot!"
YEAH BUT HES REALLY GOOD AT IT LIKEWHAT

im sure people said the same thing about Curry coming out of college. "well all he does is shoot"

not saying Monk has evn remotely close tothe ball handling skills as Steph but he isnt as bad of a creator as people give him credit for, and he seems like someone who will expand their game, much like CJ McCollum has

Monk got shut down by Justin Jackson. All you need to do is put some 6'6 or 6'7 guy on him and Monk will have difficulty getting his shot off. Monk also cooled off in the second half of the season. I like him but I think 3 is too high. I get nervous about these shooters who don't do much else. Monk is a good athlete though. Monk was just a freshman and I do like his burst but he's not getting any taller. What makes him any different than a Ben Gordon or someone on that level. I wouldn't mind getting Monk if we got a 2nd 1st round pick but no way I'm taking him at 3. Too risky to me.

This is his first duel against Justin Jackson this season.

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A lot of that isn't against Jackson.