Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[OAKLEY_2]

Draft semi. Getting a Jae Crowder at 23 is exactly what we need to come away with here

This board always thinks it is going to get its small forward Jae freakin' Crowder every draft. If we didn't pick Prince last draft we are not taking Semi this draft especially with so many 4's available. If Semi is gone well good then.

I still like Rabb, but Semi is a possibility. We have to be realistic here though. Regardless of who we may individually like as prospects, there is NOBODY in our range that stands out. There are 5-10 and some might argue as many as 20 prospects available in the 20+ range who are all about even. So I'm trying to not disagree strongly with anyone's pick because in the end 80-90 percent of us will be wrong anyway. lol. Hell, we may all be wrong and an IT gets drafted 60th overall and becomes an all-star in a few years.(Glad we have those 2 way D League contracts now though for the unknowns.)

Rabb is still young and is a boards machine. As good as anyone at our pick. I could see us picking Bell without a doubt.

[ill-Will03]

This board always thinks it is going to get its small forward Jae freakin' Crowder every draft. If we didn't pick Prince last draft we are not taking Semi this draft especially with so many 4's available. If Semi is gone well good then.

I still like Rabb, but Semi is a possibility. We have to be realistic here though. Regardless of who we may individually like as prospects, there is NOBODY in our range that stands out. There are 5-10 and some might argue as many as 20 prospects available in the 20+ range who are all about even. So I'm trying to not disagree strongly with anyone's pick because in the end 80-90 percent of us will be wrong anyway. lol. Hell, we may all be wrong and an IT gets drafted 60th overall and becomes an all-star in a few years.(Glad we have those 2 way D League contracts now though for the unknowns.)

I think semi is our 4 he definitely has the strength to play small ball 4. And I mean pretty sure he had one of the highest pick and pop percentages out of all players in each draft

[Drop Shot]

didnt even know this guy came in for a workout already lol

Watch on YouTube

dude might average more "you knows" per interview then derozan lol

I think you mean Jonas. Demar always says most definitely

[WeTheNorth123]

didnt even know this guy came in for a workout already lol

Watch on YouTube

dude might average more "you knows" per interview then derozan lol

I think you mean Jonas. Demar always says most definitely

naaww fam derozan does too loll, you know

Watch on YouTube

[OAKLEY_2]

didnt even know this guy came in for a workout already lol

Watch on YouTube

dude might average more "you knows" per interview then derozan lol

I think you mean Jonas. Demar always says most definitely

naaww fam derozan does too loll, you know

Watch on YouTube

You know... I like Kuzma as our pick and as a stretch four way more than compact Semi. Would be super happy with the kid fom Flint. Poor Flint Michigan. There's a place that use some investment. Rust belt America.

[LonZoBallin]

you guys need to talk more about DSJ. Forget these role player ceiling players, if anything they set you back as they stick you in the middle. Go get a superstar

we weren't an Ibaka or Tucker away, we are a superstar away.

[JShuttlesworth]

you guys need to talk more about DSJ. Forget these role player ceiling players, if anything they set you back as they stick you in the middle. Go get a superstar

we weren't an Ibaka or Tucker away, we are a superstar away.

Why spend 100 pages talking about a lock for a Top 10 pick when we are picking 23?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Hey why talk about many prospects when you can just spam "DSJ future superstar Raps on treadmill!!!"?

[LonZoBallin]

you guys need to talk more about DSJ. Forget these role player ceiling players, if anything they set you back as they stick you in the middle. Go get a superstar

we weren't an Ibaka or Tucker away, we are a superstar away.

Why spend 100 pages talking about a lock for a Top 10 pick when we are picking 23?

You trade up and get him!

[Morse Code]

you guys need to talk more about DSJ. Forget these role player ceiling players, if anything they set you back as they stick you in the middle. Go get a superstar

we weren't an Ibaka or Tucker away, we are a superstar away.

Why spend 100 pages talking about a lock for a Top 10 pick when we are picking 23?

Because LonZoBallin said so.

[HeadtopChunes]

you guys need to talk more about DSJ. Forget these role player ceiling players, if anything they set you back as they stick you in the middle. Go get a superstar

we weren't an Ibaka or Tucker away, we are a superstar away.

Why spend 100 pages talking about a lock for a Top 10 pick when we are picking 23?

You trade up and get him!

Well we would if we could not sure we can tho.

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[PhilBlackson]

you guys need to talk more about DSJ. Forget these role player ceiling players, if anything they set you back as they stick you in the middle. Go get a superstar

we weren't an Ibaka or Tucker away, we are a superstar away.

Why spend 100 pages talking about a lock for a Top 10 pick when we are picking 23?

You trade up and get him!

Yet again, give it a rest!

You keep bringing up DS Jr for NO REASON...there isn't even the slightest rumour from even the sketchiest of sources that we have even so much of an inkling of a desire to trade into the top 10 or that anyone in the top 10 is looking to trade for any of our players, you might as well say something as stupid as we need to talk about LeBron James coming to TO as a FA....both have no basis in reality and are nothing more than pipedreams. Now let it go already.

[PhilBlackson]

I still like Rabb, but Semi is a possibility. We have to be realistic here though. Regardless of who we may individually like as prospects, there is NOBODY in our range that stands out. There are 5-10 and some might argue as many as 20 prospects available in the 20+ range who are all about even. So I'm trying to not disagree strongly with anyone's pick because in the end 80-90 percent of us will be wrong anyway. lol. Hell, we may all be wrong and an IT gets drafted 60th overall and becomes an all-star in a few years.(Glad we have those 2 way D League contracts now though for the unknowns.)

I think semi is our 4 he definitely has the strength to play small ball 4. And I mean pretty sure he had one of the highest pick and pop percentages out of all players in each draft

Semi is both shorter and not as long as DeRozan our SHOOTING GUARD, no he would not be the solution at the 4.

Like Crowder (who is a better defender), he needs to play the 3 (period). He would only play it if the other team goes extremely small as well (ie/ GSW's "Death Lineup"). He simply is not LONG enough to guard the 4 spot on a consistent basis.

[deeps6x]

DSJ won't get past 8. He might even be gone at 6.

If by some crazy fluke he is still there at 12, Detroit will back track on whatever potential trade they had lined up and take him themselves.

We could try to deal with the Kings. I'm sure they want to open the new arena with something better than the crap team they have on paper now. What do they have now, something like 6 SGs and 6 Cs and nothing else on the team? They lose their only SF this summer when Gay walks.

They desperately need PGs and SFs. Maybe something along the lines of CoJo and Carroll and #23 for #10 and #34 would work? They have the cap space to absorb both. Yeah, it favours the Raptors a bit in theory... or does it? Hell, look at Ingram as a #2 pick last year. He looked more like a #20 pick this season. You just never know how the players will turn out. But the Kings are desperate, this fills two needs with already made it NBA players, CoJo is one of the best backup PGs, and a decent spot starter, while Carroll is a starter level SF, if not a great one anymore, and if DSJ is gone by #10, there aren't any sure thing player left in the draft. It becomes a crapshoot.

Or maybe they want a star and trade #6 and #10 for DD. That would kick us back into rebuild mode for sure, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing to do while the LeBron era has a few more years to run.

[deeps6x]

I think semi is our 4 he definitely has the strength to play small ball 4. And I mean pretty sure he had one of the highest pick and pop percentages out of all players in each draft

Semi is both shorter and not as long as DeRozan our SHOOTING GUARD, no he would not be the solution at the 4.

Like Crowder (who is a better defender), he needs to play the 3 (period). He would only play it if the other team goes extremely small as well (ie/ GSW's "Death Lineup"). He simply is not LONG enough to guard the 4 spot on a consistent basis.

I definitely agree about Semi. His only shot at sticking with an NBA team will be as a 3.

As for Crowder comparisons, Crowder was like a top 3 advanced metrics college player in his draft. I was amazed when he fell to the second round. Semi isn't on his level.

http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2012-Draft-Model3.png

You never know, but look at Draymond Green, Crowder and Barton on the list above. The good advanced metrics players do tend to over achieve, no matter where they are picked in the draft.

That said, in our range, I could easily see Semi being Masai's pick. But only because we need consistent 3 point shooting from our SF backup.

[PhilBlackson]

DSJ won't get past 8. He might even be gone at 6.

If by some crazy fluke he is still there at 12, Detroit will back track on whatever potential trade they had lined up and take him themselves.

We could try to deal with the Kings. I'm sure they want to open the new arena with something better than the crap team they have on paper now. What do they have now, something like 6 SGs and 6 Cs and nothing else on the team? They lose their only SF this summer when Gay walks.

They desperately need PGs and SFs. Maybe something along the lines of CoJo and Carroll and #23 for #10 and #34 would work? They have the cap space to absorb both. Yeah, it favours the Raptors a bit in theory... or does it? Hell, look at Ingram as a #2 pick last year. He looked more like a #20 pick this season. You just never know how the players will turn out. But the Kings are desperate, this fills two needs with already made it NBA players, CoJo is one of the best backup PGs, and a decent spot starter, while Carroll is a starter level SF, if not a great one anymore, and if DSJ is gone by #10, there aren't any sure thing player left in the draft. It becomes a crapshoot.

Or maybe they want a star and trade #6 and #10 for DD. That would kick us back into rebuild mode for sure, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing to do while the LeBron era has a few more years to run.

Don't get LonzoBallin going lol, Dennis Smith will not be on the board at 10, guaranteed. The only really good PG prospect that may be there is Ntilikina and I think he is majorly slept on just because he plays overseas. It won't surprise me one bit if he turns out to be as good or better than one of or possibly both. He's incredibly well rounded, great defender in every way, an unheard of 7'1 wingspan as a PG and a better shooter than Fox. I think trading for him would be worth it....however I'm sorry but Corey is not getting you a top 10 in any draft lol let alone one as deep as this one. Remember Jeff Teague came off an all-star season and only got the Hawks a #12 (Taurean Prince) in what was considered by far a much worse draft.

[PhilBlackson]

I think semi is our 4 he definitely has the strength to play small ball 4. And I mean pretty sure he had one of the highest pick and pop percentages out of all players in each draft

Semi is both shorter and not as long as DeRozan our SHOOTING GUARD, no he would not be the solution at the 4.

Like Crowder (who is a better defender), he needs to play the 3 (period). He would only play it if the other team goes extremely small as well (ie/ GSW's "Death Lineup"). He simply is not LONG enough to guard the 4 spot on a consistent basis.

I definitely agree about Semi. His only shot at sticking with an NBA team will be as a 3.

As for Crowder comparisons, Crowder was like a top 3 advanced metrics college player in his draft. I was amazed when he fell to the second round. Semi isn't on his level.

http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2012-Draft-Model3.png

You never know, but look at Draymond Green, Crowder and Barton on the list above. The good advanced metrics players do tend to over achieve, no matter where they are picked in the draft.

That said, in our range, I could easily see Semi being Masai's pick. But only because we need consistent 3 point shooting from our SF backup.

I can also see him being Masai's pick, I've already said a couple of times I get the feeling it will be one of Semi or Kuzma even though I want Bolden. Semi is yet another "high character" guy that we seem to fall in love with, not to mention of Nigerian descent and yes the beloved 3 ball we're looking for but yes thank you for providing that link because it gets tiring seeing people likening Semi's potential impact to Crowder, Tucker or Green when Semi is not considered a good defender.

He might be able to be like Crowder offensively but defensively they are not the same and considering he is almost identical physically to Crowder, he should only be considered at SF unless playing super small ball as I've been saying.

[OAKLEY_2]

Semi is both shorter and not as long as DeRozan our SHOOTING GUARD, no he would not be the solution at the 4.

Like Crowder (who is a better defender), he needs to play the 3 (period). He would only play it if the other team goes extremely small as well (ie/ GSW's "Death Lineup"). He simply is not LONG enough to guard the 4 spot on a consistent basis.

I definitely agree about Semi. His only shot at sticking with an NBA team will be as a 3.

As for Crowder comparisons, Crowder was like a top 3 advanced metrics college player in his draft. I was amazed when he fell to the second round. Semi isn't on his level.

http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2012-Draft-Model3.png

You never know, but look at Draymond Green, Crowder and Barton on the list above. The good advanced metrics players do tend to over achieve, no matter where they are picked in the draft.

That said, in our range, I could easily see Semi being Masai's pick. But only because we need consistent 3 point shooting from our SF backup.

I can also see him being Masai's pick, I've already said a couple of times I get the feeling it will be one of Semi or Kuzma even though I want Bolden. Semi is yet another "high character" guy that we seem to fall in love with, not to mention of Nigerian descent and yes the beloved 3 ball we're looking for but yes thank you for providing that link because it gets tiring seeing people likening Semi's potential impact to Crowder, Tucker or Gree when Semi is not considered a good defender.

He might be able to be like Crowder offensively but defensively they are not the same and considering he is almost identical physically to Crowder, he should only be considered at SF unless playing super small ball as I've been saying.

This board would go nuts going Kuzma at 23 but MU would just say "guys its a 23 pick" so go medicate. I'll take Kuzma at 23 easily.

[deeps6x]

DSJ won't get past 8. He might even be gone at 6.

If by some crazy fluke he is still there at 12, Detroit will back track on whatever potential trade they had lined up and take him themselves.

We could try to deal with the Kings. I'm sure they want to open the new arena with something better than the crap team they have on paper now. What do they have now, something like 6 SGs and 6 Cs and nothing else on the team? They lose their only SF this summer when Gay walks.

They desperately need PGs and SFs. Maybe something along the lines of CoJo and Carroll and #23 for #10 and #34 would work? They have the cap space to absorb both. Yeah, it favours the Raptors a bit in theory... or does it? Hell, look at Ingram as a #2 pick last year. He looked more like a #20 pick this season. You just never know how the players will turn out. But the Kings are desperate, this fills two needs with already made it NBA players, CoJo is one of the best backup PGs, and a decent spot starter, while Carroll is a starter level SF, if not a great one anymore, and if DSJ is gone by #10, there aren't any sure thing player left in the draft. It becomes a crapshoot.

Or maybe they want a star and trade #6 and #10 for DD. That would kick us back into rebuild mode for sure, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing to do while the LeBron era has a few more years to run.

Don't get LonzoBallin going lol, Dennis Smith will not be on the board at 10, guaranteed. The only really good PG prospect that may be there is Ntilikina and I think he is majorly slept on just because he plays overseas. It won't surprise me one bit if he turns out to be as good or better than one of or possibly both. He's incredibly well rounded, great defender in every way, an unheard of 7'1 wingspan as a PG and a better shooter than Fox. I think trading for him would be worth it....however I'm sorry but Corey is not getting you a top 10 in any draft lol let alone one as deep as this one. Remember Jeff Teague came off an all-star season and only got the Hawks a #12 (Taurean Prince) in what was considered by far a much worse draft.

Well, true, but I never said CoJo would get you #10. I said CoJo and #23 and a needed SF might get you #10.

I agree about Frank Ntilikina. DX has him at #9 now, but if he were to drop and if we had #10, I'd be down with him as our pick. I have him on par with DSJ.

[PhilBlackson]

DSJ won't get past 8. He might even be gone at 6.

If by some crazy fluke he is still there at 12, Detroit will back track on whatever potential trade they had lined up and take him themselves.

We could try to deal with the Kings. I'm sure they want to open the new arena with something better than the crap team they have on paper now. What do they have now, something like 6 SGs and 6 Cs and nothing else on the team? They lose their only SF this summer when Gay walks.

They desperately need PGs and SFs. Maybe something along the lines of CoJo and Carroll and #23 for #10 and #34 would work? They have the cap space to absorb both. Yeah, it favours the Raptors a bit in theory... or does it? Hell, look at Ingram as a #2 pick last year. He looked more like a #20 pick this season. You just never know how the players will turn out. But the Kings are desperate, this fills two needs with already made it NBA players, CoJo is one of the best backup PGs, and a decent spot starter, while Carroll is a starter level SF, if not a great one anymore, and if DSJ is gone by #10, there aren't any sure thing player left in the draft. It becomes a crapshoot.

Or maybe they want a star and trade #6 and #10 for DD. That would kick us back into rebuild mode for sure, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing to do while the LeBron era has a few more years to run.

Don't get LonzoBallin going lol, Dennis Smith will not be on the board at 10, guaranteed. The only really good PG prospect that may be there is Ntilikina and I think he is majorly slept on just because he plays overseas. It won't surprise me one bit if he turns out to be as good or better than one of or possibly both. He's incredibly well rounded, great defender in every way, an unheard of 7'1 wingspan as a PG and a better shooter than Fox. I think trading for him would be worth it....however I'm sorry but Corey is not getting you a top 10 in any draft lol let alone one as deep as this one. Remember Jeff Teague came off an all-star season and only got the Hawks a #12 (Taurean Prince) in what was considered by far a much worse draft.

Well, true, but I never said CoJo would get you #10. I said CoJo and #23 and a needed SF might get you #10.

I agree about Frank Ntilikina. DX has him at #9 now, but if he were to drop and if we had #10, I'd be down with him as our pick. I have him on par with DSJ.

The key there would be AND a needed SF which we are in need of ourselves.

There is no deal there to be had unless we traded DeMar which there is ZERO indication of happening (LonzoBallin).