2017 Nets Build-A-Team Eastern Conference Preliminary Round Voting Thread- vince, EvO and Papi move on

[Jersey Generals]

Hello! Welcome to the 2017 Nets Build-A-Team Preliminary thread. This is open for ANYONE to vote, so if you're not part of the game or even a Nets fan, feel free to throw your votes as you see fit.

The point of this is to find the three best teams out of this conference. So check out the teams below and vote on who you think are the three best.

What is the criteria of voting? There are three things you should look at:

1) the depth of the team, how deep is this team? How well configured it is? Is it only strong at one position, but weak at all the others?

2) the future of the team, is this a simple old team that would have a season of two of championship level play and then fade or is built for the longhaul with young assets?

3) how good is this team? Flat out, could it beat everyone else if they were to play every other team?

Using those three prongs, choose which three teams are the best.

If you want a more in-depth look at the various teams, go here. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1562810

Eastern Conference Teams

Las Vegas Sharks

Kyle Lowry/Jrue Holiday/Marcus Smart
Wes Matthews/Joe Ingles
Kevin Durant/Harrison Barnes
Kevin Love/Patrick Patterson
Dwight Howard/Pau Gasol/Steven Adams

I intend on running a system similar to seven seconds or less, but based around intense defense like the early 90s Runnin' Rebels. In the set offense, I intend of shooting a lot, while running the offense through the point position, but mostly, I would look to get open court and fast break points. Rebounding and great defense is how the team will get out into the open court.

Twilight Zone Defense
PG: Steph Curry/ Seth Curry
SG: Bradley Beal/ Kyle Korver
SF: Paul Millsap/Andre Iguodala/Chandler Parsons
PF: Jabari Parker/ Marvin Williams
C: Myles Turner/Nerlens Noel/Greg Monroe

jbeach boys

PG: Jeremy Lin/ Zach Lavine/ Kris Dunn
SG: CJ McCollum/ Sean Kilpatrick/ Archie Goodwin
SF: Kawhi Leonard/ Ben Simmons
PF: Thaddeus Young/ Trevor Booker
C: Deande Jordan/ Quincy Acy

SAN JUAN PAPI'S

PG: Damian Lilliard/ Patty Mills
SG: George Hill/ Tyler Johnson/ Tony Allen
SF: Robert Covington/ Tobias Harris
PF: Greek Freak/ James Johnson
C: Nikola Jokic/ Mason Plumlee

Defense! Defense! Defense! and two-way players. Each and every one of my players are two-way players that are not liabilities on either side of the floor. Each one of my players have versatility and can do multiple things with or without the ball.

New Hampshire Dwont's

PG: Kyrie Irving/Wade/Schroder
SG: JJ Redick/Wade/Ross
SF: Lebron MF'in James/Morris/Ross
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge/Dirk/Favors/Morris
C: Hassan Whiteside/Chandler/Favors/Dirk

My squad is going to be based on swarming and suffocating defense creating turnovers and pushing the ball, not just for dunks and layups, but also open 3's.

The Seattle Wharf Rats

PG: Eric Bledsoe/Ricky Rubio
SG: Gary Harris/Allen Crabbe/De'angelo Russell
SF: Paul George/ Wilson Chandler
PF: Kristpas Porzingis/ Dario Saric
C: Demarcus Cousins / Enes Kanter/Jusuf Nurkic

[vincecarter4pres]

Sorry, I just updated my depth chart JG.

[jbeachboy]

any team with lebron gets my vote.

[TheSparkleKing]

Wait aren't we all supposed to vote for three teams?

[Jersey Generals]

Wait aren't we all supposed to vote for three teams?

Well, that's the intention, yeah.

[Jersey Generals]

If there is still a tie when voting ends in a few hours, I'll take myself out of the running and the other two teams will move on.

[NyCeEvO]

I just realized that VC4P says his intention is to have a team that plays swarming suffocating defense yet he doesn't have the personnel to do that.

Where's the secondary help wing defender to aid LBJ in trapping? Surely not Kyrie and JJ Reddick...if they trapped with LBJ, the opposing guard would simply pass over the double team and LBJ would now have to race back to cover the roller who already has a headstart to the rim.

Whiteside is a good rim protector but if the opposition is a drive and kick 3pt team, the team is screwed.

This team has a lot of name caché (which makes it pretty easy for people to be enamored by it) but the actual implementation of the game plan and the fit of the team is kinda suspect IMO. Idk how a team with 1/2 of the team over 30 and mediocre at best defense is supposed to be "swarming".

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[Prokorov]

Papi swav.... lvoe your team and would have voted for them if i hadnt missed the vote

but calling lillard a 2 way guy who isnt a liability on defense? he is an awful defender. bottom 5 among PG in DRAPM/DRPM each of the past 3 years. he is Bogs level bad on D

[Jersey Generals]

I just realized that VC4P says his intention is to have a team that plays swarming suffocating defense yet he doesn't have the personnel to do that.

Where's the secondary help wing defender to aid LBJ in trapping? Surely not Kyrie and JJ Reddick...if they trapped with LBJ, the opposing guard would simply pass over the double team and LBJ would now have to race back to cover the roller who already has a headstart to the rim.

Whiteside is a good rim protector but if the opposition is a drive and kick 3pt team, the team is screwed.

This team has a lot of name caché (which makes it pretty easy for people to be enamored by it) but the actual implementation of the game plan and the fit of the team is kinda suspect IMO. Idk how a team with 1/2 of the team over 30 and mediocre at best defense is supposed to be "swarming".

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Shh....you're blowing your chance to beat him in the playoffs. You bring this up in the next round if you play him, and you can knock him out because his team is flawed like you said. The next round is legit a versus round, where each team will be against another team. So...his team can get knocked out by a good match up, assuming people vote on who would win rather than just seeing "Lebron James."


Additionally, I decided to extend the voting until tonight due to the holiday weekend.

[NyCeEvO]

I just realized that VC4P says his intention is to have a team that plays swarming suffocating defense yet he doesn't have the personnel to do that.

Where's the secondary help wing defender to aid LBJ in trapping? Surely not Kyrie and JJ Reddick...if they trapped with LBJ, the opposing guard would simply pass over the double team and LBJ would now have to race back to cover the roller who already has a headstart to the rim.

Whiteside is a good rim protector but if the opposition is a drive and kick 3pt team, the team is screwed.

This team has a lot of name caché (which makes it pretty easy for people to be enamored by it) but the actual implementation of the game plan and the fit of the team is kinda suspect IMO. Idk how a team with 1/2 of the team over 30 and mediocre at best defense is supposed to be "swarming".

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Shh....you're blowing your chance to beat him in the playoffs. You bring this up in the next round if you play him, and you can knock him out because his team is flawed like you said. The next round is legit a versus round, where each team will be against another team. So...his team can get knocked out by a good match up, assuming people vote on who would win rather than just seeing "Lebron James."


Additionally, I decided to extend the voting until tonight due to the holiday weekend.

Last time I checked I was on the outside of the playoffs looking in.

I wish I would've taken the time to detail my play style/description of my team because I think it's the perfect balance of true elite team defense, exceptional perimeter shooting, and players who are great at driving/slashing to the basket.

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[Jersey Generals]

I wish I would've taken the time to detail my play style/description of my team because I think it's the perfect balance of true elite team defense, exceptional perimeter shooting, and players who are great at driving/slashing to the basket.

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Huh? You're in the playoffs.

It's the top three: vincecarter4pres is in, and me, you, and Papi_swav are tied at 4. Since I've already said I'd take my name out so long as it is a tie, you're in as of right now.


Additionally, even if you didn't make it this round, I think there's a good chance you'd make it in the final two spots in the losers bracket.

[Jersey Generals]

Congrats to New Hampshire Dwont's, Twilight Zone Defense, and San Juan Papi's for moving into the playoffs!

[NyCeEvO]

I wish I would've taken the time to detail my play style/description of my team because I think it's the perfect balance of true elite team defense, exceptional perimeter shooting, and players who are great at driving/slashing to the basket.

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Huh? You're in the playoffs.

It's the top three: vincecarter4pres is in, and me, you, and Papi_swav are tied at 4. Since I've already said I'd take my name out so long as it is a tie, you're in as of right now.


Additionally, even if you didn't make it this round, I think there's a good chance you'd make it in the final two spots in the losers bracket.

Oh...I can't see polls on mobile. I just assumed I was out since the last time I checked on my computer I had 3 votes lol.

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[Papi_swav]

Papi swav.... lvoe your team and would have voted for them if i hadnt missed the vote

but calling lillard a 2 way guy who isnt a liability on defense? he is an awful defender. bottom 5 among PG in DRAPM/DRPM each of the past 3 years. he is Bogs level bad on D

Thanks bro, but I've clearly stated that Lilliard might be the only liability on defense, but his offense is so dominant and the other players on my team are very good on defense that they will pick up the slack. Never called him a 2 way.

Edit: I wrote more than what is up there my bad, you didn't see it. But yea Lilliard is pretty much my only liability on defense. Thanks though, I love my team too and think I have the best squad IMO.

[vincecarter4pres]

I just realized that VC4P says his intention is to have a team that plays swarming suffocating defense yet he doesn't have the personnel to do that.

Where's the secondary help wing defender to aid LBJ in trapping? Surely not Kyrie and JJ Reddick...if they trapped with LBJ, the opposing guard would simply pass over the double team and LBJ would now have to race back to cover the roller who already has a headstart to the rim.

Whiteside is a good rim protector but if the opposition is a drive and kick 3pt team, the team is screwed.

This team has a lot of name caché (which makes it pretty easy for people to be enamored by it) but the actual implementation of the game plan and the fit of the team is kinda suspect IMO. Idk how a team with 1/2 of the team over 30 and mediocre at best defense is supposed to be "swarming".

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Shh....you're blowing your chance to beat him in the playoffs. You bring this up in the next round if you play him, and you can knock him out because his team is flawed like you said. The next round is legit a versus round, where each team will be against another team. So...his team can get knocked out by a good match up, assuming people vote on who would win rather than just seeing "Lebron James."


Additionally, I decided to extend the voting until tonight due to the holiday weekend.

I have to disagree though. Whiteside is a flatout anchor, Lebron is a perennial DPOY candidate, LMA is extremely mobile and also blocks some shots and steals the ball for a big and although Redick isn't a top defender by any stretch of the imagination, he's a guy who fights through screens, siphons into his bigs, keeps his man in front of him more than not and gets his hands on loose balls and sloppy handles. Yes Kyrie is a sieve, but that hasn't been a problem for Cleveland in real life except in the Finals versus another super team that might as well be the best team in a 12 team fantasy draft such as this.

Additionally, my bench has some athletes and guys known for their defense for sure. Chandler, Morris, Ross and Favors are all guys known for their athleticism, mobility, defensive grit and ability to either aid, anchor, or adapt to a high level defense. Wade is still no slouch if he's only asked to be a 25ish mpg 6xth man and I'd argue Schroder has shown a lot of flashes of being a high level defender as well, albeit he's overextended in real life on offense so he expends too much energy to really dig in this last year and a half on the defensive end, both physically and mentally. On this team he'd only be in for 15 or so minutes a game anyway.

Dirk is basically instant offense and asked to guard the slowest guy on the court for the limited minutes he plays, he'll be in maybe 12 a game or so.

Think about this, Cleveland has had a really tight defense for a couple years and I've swapped out their weakest links on offense for guys much better and skilled, yet no worse then even on defense, on a player for player basis. Let alone everyone can force turnovers and get out and run, just like Cleveland.

All my guys have the smarts and quicks to defend and on this team their roles and minutes will be pulled back considerably on offense, allowing them to really dig in on the other side. Look at KD in GSW. He went from a mediocre guy on D, with questionable desire and commitment on that side while in OKC, to be subbed onto an All NBA squad and this year he looked like an absolute beast on D. You have to give that benefit of the doubt that these guys will be that much more effective, imho.

[Jersey Generals]

Papi swav.... lvoe your team and would have voted for them if i hadnt missed the vote

but calling lillard a 2 way guy who isnt a liability on defense? he is an awful defender. bottom 5 among PG in DRAPM/DRPM each of the past 3 years. he is Bogs level bad on D

Thanks bro, but I've clearly stated that Lilliard might be the only liability on defense, but his offense is so dominant and the other players on my team are very good on defense that they will pick up the slack. Never called him a 2 way.

Edit: I wrote more than what is up there my bad, you didn't see it. But yea Lilliard is pretty much my only liability on defense. Thanks though, I love my team too and think I have the best squad IMO.

You'll have a better chance to explain your team next round. This was really just a depth chart kind of thing, whereas next round is when you can really write up a report on why you think your team is better than the the other team, which will be EvO's in your case.

[NyCeEvO]

I just realized that VC4P says his intention is to have a team that plays swarming suffocating defense yet he doesn't have the personnel to do that.

Where's the secondary help wing defender to aid LBJ in trapping? Surely not Kyrie and JJ Reddick...if they trapped with LBJ, the opposing guard would simply pass over the double team and LBJ would now have to race back to cover the roller who already has a headstart to the rim.

Whiteside is a good rim protector but if the opposition is a drive and kick 3pt team, the team is screwed.

This team has a lot of name caché (which makes it pretty easy for people to be enamored by it) but the actual implementation of the game plan and the fit of the team is kinda suspect IMO. Idk how a team with 1/2 of the team over 30 and mediocre at best defense is supposed to be "swarming".

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Shh....you're blowing your chance to beat him in the playoffs. You bring this up in the next round if you play him, and you can knock him out because his team is flawed like you said. The next round is legit a versus round, where each team will be against another team. So...his team can get knocked out by a good match up, assuming people vote on who would win rather than just seeing "Lebron James."


Additionally, I decided to extend the voting until tonight due to the holiday weekend.

I have to disagree though. Whiteside is a flatout anchor, Lebron is a perennial DPOY candidate, LMA is extremely mobile and also blocks some shots and steals the ball for a big and although Redick isn't a top defender by any stretch of the imagination, he's a guy who fights through screens, siphons into his bigs, keeps his man in front of him more than not and gets his hands on loose balls and sloppy handles. Yes Kyrie is a sieve, but that hasn't been a problem for Cleveland in real life except in the Finals versus another super team that might as well be the best team in a 12 team fantasy draft such as this.

Additionally, my bench has some athletes and guys known for their defense for sure. Chandler, Morris, Ross and Favors are all guys known for their athleticism, mobility, defensive grit and ability to either aid, anchor, or adapt to a high level defense. Wade is still no slouch if he's only asked to be a 25ish mpg 6xth man and I'd argue Schroder has shown a lot of flashes of being a high level defender as well, albeit he's overextended in real life on offense so he expends too much energy to really dig in this last year and a half on the defensive end, both physically and mentally. On this team he'd only be in for 15 or so minutes a game anyway.

Dirk is basically instant offense and asked to guard the slowest guy on the court for the limited minutes he plays, he'll be in maybe 12 a game or so.

Think about this, Cleveland has had a really tight defense for a couple years and I've swapped out their weakest links on offense for guys much better and skilled, yet no worse then even on defense, on a player for player basis. Let alone everyone can force turnovers and get out and run, just like Cleveland.

All my guys have the smarts and quicks to defend and on this team their roles and minutes will be pulled back considerably on offense, allowing them to really dig in on the other side. Look at KD in GSW. He went from a mediocre guy on D, with questionable desire and commitment on that side while in OKC, to be subbed onto an All NBA squad and this year he looked like an absolute beast on D. You have to give that benefit of the doubt that these guys will be that much more effective, imho.

I'll respond to all of this...if and when I face you.

[Prokorov]

VC4P im shocked both batum and LMA arent both on your team... with eric gordon

[vincecarter4pres]

VC4P im shocked both batum and LMA arent both on your team... with eric gordon

I was legit targeting both but either got beat to the punch, or got greedy.

Also, I saw how inefficient Batum had become, falling victim to being a prisoner of the stats and forgetting how limited and proper his role would have been on this team again, so I should have quote, unquote, "reached" haha. Though I didn't love the idea of Batum with this mileage as my primary shooting guard, I felt like I would have had to sell that way too hard. He would have made a great 6xth man though. I definitely loaded up on some "names" at a point in the draft, but these guys aren't going to be asked to do too much or play too many minutes, so it should work swimmingly haha.