Fixing the NBA

[King4Day]

Maybe something where, even if you are willing to take a pay cut, you still count against the cap as a max player. How to determine what a player is worth is tbd, but I think it can work.

Do you think something all NBA team, Team USA spot, or all star appearances could determine that?

It'd probably have to be some hard numbers. So All NBA stuff and maybe a statistical baseline. Certain number of points per game, rebounds, etc.
Like baseball, maybe use an arbitrator to determine what the real worth is.

[Zelaznyrules]

Maybe something where, even if you are willing to take a pay cut, you still count against the cap as a max player. How to determine what a player is worth is tbd, but I think it can work.

Do you think something all NBA team, Team USA spot, or all star appearances could determine that?

It'd probably have to be some hard numbers. So All NBA stuff and maybe a statistical baseline. Certain number of points per game, rebounds, etc.
Like baseball, maybe use an arbitrator to determine what the real worth is.

I don't like the idea of adding even more incentive for players to focus on stats instead of winning.

[King4Day]

Do you think something all NBA team, Team USA spot, or all star appearances could determine that?

It'd probably have to be some hard numbers. So All NBA stuff and maybe a statistical baseline. Certain number of points per game, rebounds, etc.
Like baseball, maybe use an arbitrator to determine what the real worth is.

I don't like the idea of adding even more incentive for players to focus on stats instead of winning.

Then the idea of an arbitrator to value each player every season could be the way to go. They could use metrics beyond numbers.

[RaisingArizona]

I like the use of an arbitrator. I think we're on to something here!

[thamadkant]

I think the best solution would be to do away with max contracts and have a hard cap. This would allow the stars to get huge contracts but make it much harder to assemble super teams because you wouldn't be able to spend over the cap. This should spread the talent out around the league.

But unfortunately I don't think the players association would ever go for this idea because it would benefit a small number of stars while suppressing the salaries of the middle class that would make up the majority. I just can't see the majority of players voting against their own self interest.

Yes, these threads pop up on the General Board a lot and I always mention hard cap.

I also think non guaranteed contracts would fix a lot of things, but not specifically in regard to the star teams, but more in regard to getting rid of dead weight and players who got paid and don't care or are not that good, which basically hamper a lot of the avg to bad teams from doing anything because they have all these large contracts on their books.

Player union will never allow non guaranteed contracts. But perhaps a modified one that allows teams to put incentives on contracts and if not adhered to teams can buy out players at 50% ofthe contract value. Players still get money but teams get out of players who stop trying much.

[asudevil]

Yes, these threads pop up on the General Board a lot and I always mention hard cap.

I also think non guaranteed contracts would fix a lot of things, but not specifically in regard to the star teams, but more in regard to getting rid of dead weight and players who got paid and don't care or are not that good, which basically hamper a lot of the avg to bad teams from doing anything because they have all these large contracts on their books.

Yeah, the whole argument of doing away with max contracts and having a hard cap is extremely shortsighted....and the PA would see its flaws and never allow it.

I like the idea of non guaranteed contracts, but it would be something that the PA would never agree to either.

There's no rule in the nba that says contracts have to be guaranteed its just kind of the norm. Just like in the NFL its not a rule they are unguaranteed.

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But the NFL has WAY more than just non-guaranteed contracts.

Guaranteed money
Signing bonuses
Dead money

All of these things fit together in order to maximize money for the player and minimize the risk for the owners. the NBA has barely scratched the surface of this. Yes, they have PO and TO, but the salary construct of the NBA is simplistic when comparing to the NFL.

[Zelaznyrules]

Yeah, the whole argument of doing away with max contracts and having a hard cap is extremely shortsighted....and the PA would see its flaws and never allow it.

I like the idea of non guaranteed contracts, but it would be something that the PA would never agree to either.

There's no rule in the nba that says contracts have to be guaranteed its just kind of the norm. Just like in the NFL its not a rule they are unguaranteed.

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But the NFL has WAY more than just non-guaranteed contracts.

Guaranteed money
Signing bonuses
Dead money

All of these things fit together in order to maximize money for the player and minimize the risk for the owners. the NBA has barely scratched the surface of this. Yes, they have PO and TO, but the salary construct of the NBA is simplistic when comparing to the NFL.

I agree with most of what you're saying but if you really meant "simplistic", I'd have to disagree with that label. The NFL, for a myriad of reasons, has developed a fairly complex salary and compensation process that the NBA just doesn't need. Simplistic would mean that the NBA is backward or primitive in some way which I just don't think is the case. Their plan is sufficiently complex and intricate to meet the needs of both player and league. And if you really meant "simpler" and were just casual in your word choice, forget everything I said after "I agree"

[starbosa10]

LeBron started this nonsense