2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

SupremeHustle · Post #961 » by **SupremeHustle** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:11 pm

emunney wrote:I feel like there is no upside in taking Allen over Bradley.

From what I've seen, I'd take Bradley all day over Allen. Maybe this post comes back to haunt me, but that's what the edit button is for.

machu46 · Post #962 » by **machu46** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:12 pm

Probably worth pointing out that DraftExpress has us taking Allen instead of Anigbogu now.

Post #963 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:12 pm

emunney wrote:I feel like there is no upside in taking Allen over Bradley.

You don't think Allen isn't a significantly better athlete?

Post #964 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:13 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:
emunney wrote:I feel like there is no upside in taking Allen over Bradley.

From what I've seen, I'd take Bradley all day over Allen. Maybe this post comes back to haunt me, but that's what the edit button is for.

And this is what the quote button is for. 8-)

SupremeHustle · Post #965 » by **SupremeHustle** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:15 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:
emunney wrote:I feel like there is no upside in taking Allen over Bradley.

From what I've seen, I'd take Bradley all day over Allen. Maybe this post comes back to haunt me, but that's what the edit button is for.

And this is what the quote button is for.

lol.

I think everyone knows I was joking. Except for maybe two people.

SupremeHustle · Post #966 » by **SupremeHustle** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:17 pm

machu46 wrote:Probably worth pointing out that DraftExpress has us taking Allen instead of Anigbogu now.

Zach Collins is within reach. Vaughn and 17 to Denver for Collins would be incredible!

NMB2420 · Post #967 » by **NMB2420** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:17 pm

A guy I have seen mocked to us often but I don't know much about is Terrance Ferguson. I know he is supposed to be a 3 and D guy but his shooting numbers don't appear to be very impressive to me. Am I missing something with him?

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machu46 · Post #968 » by **machu46** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:19 pm

NMB2420 wrote:A guy I have seen mocked to us often but I don't know much about is Terrance Ferguson. I know he is supposed to be a 3 and D guy but his shooting numbers don't appear to be very impressive to me. Am I missing something with him?

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Nope that's basically all there is to him. 3 and D guy that struggled to shoot this season and is considered to have inconsistent shooting mechanics.

The gist I've gotten from reading about him is that he's extremely streaky as a shooter and very athletic, but not really skilled enough to attack the rim much right now.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #969 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:37 pm

machu46 wrote:
Nope that's basically all there is to him. 3 and D guy that struggled to shoot this season and is considered to have inconsistent shooting mechanics.

The gist I've gotten from reading about him is that he's extremely streaky as a shooter and very athletic, but not really skilled enough to attack the rim much right now.

a 3 & D guy with no 3 is just a D guy

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Garden Of Edens · Post #970 » by **Garden Of Edens** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:37 pm

Honestly, out of all the available big men at our range I'd prefer Allen. He looks a little more polished than Ike and Bam. I still don't want us to draft a C, but if we did, hopefully its Allen

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emunney · Post #971 » by **emunney** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:40 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
emunney wrote:I feel like there is no upside in taking Allen over Bradley.

You don't think Allen isn't a significantly better athlete?

He's a better leaper for sure. TBF he's not a terrible prospect, I'm mainly down on him because when I compare him to any other big in our range, they all are better than him (Hartenstein, Patton, Bradley, Pasecniks, Bam) or at least have better tools (Ike). I'd take him over guys like Rabb (who I still like as a player) or Bryant (who I don't). Most years, I'd probably be fine taking him at 17 based on his length and pretty good play as a freshman, but there are too many talented bigs in this one to take a skinny guy with no range who isn't particularly stout defensively. My biggest problem is that he's clearly an interior player, but I've never seen him play with the kind of toughness required for that role. So what do you do with him?

Ron Swanson · Post #972 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:46 pm

Do people not like Allen just because he has an almost identical physical profile to John Henson? I see more of Larry Sanders minus the crazy.

machu46 · Post #973 » by **machu46** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:59 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Do people not like Allen just because he has an almost identical physical profile to John Henson? I see more of Larry Sanders minus the crazy.

I'll be alright if Allen is the pick, but if we're taking a center of roughly the same caliber of prospect (which, to me, guys like Anigbogu and Tony Bradley are), I'd prefer those two because they offer a stronger presence inside. I'm good with Thon as our skinny center.

If the Bucks think Allen is simply a better prospect than those guys, then they should take Allen, but I personally think they're all roughly even.

emunney · Post #974 » by **emunney** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:06 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Do people not like Allen just because he has an almost identical physical profile to John Henson? I see more of Larry Sanders minus the crazy.

Minus the shotblocking, too. Also... I don't think the crazy is really separable from what made Larry an effective player. He was obsessed with defending the rim. That obsessiveness dovetailed with his tools to make him great at it. But it was toxic in other areas.

I sometimes wonder if Larry wouldn't still be anchoring our defense (with occasional league discipline for behavior) if the league allowed players to smoke weed.

skones · Post #975 » by **skones** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:07 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Do people not like Allen just because he has an almost identical physical profile to John Henson? I see more of Larry Sanders minus the crazy.

He doesn't have anywhere near the shotblocking numbers that either had, and that makes me question his motor given his overall length, hence, the Henson who gave up in the NBA comparison.

Ron Swanson · Post #976 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:25 pm

The numbers aren't as important to me as the tools. Allen's probably a more polished/better prospect than either Henson or Larry were as freshman. I'd still prefer Ike over any other C prospect likely available at #17, but Allen wouldn't be a bad selection.

SirChurros · Post #977 » by **SirChurros** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:27 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:The numbers aren't as important to me as the tools. Allen's probably a more polished/better prospect than either Henson or Larry were as freshman. I'd still prefer Ike over any other C prospect likely available at #17, but Allen wouldn't be a bad selection.

He absolutely is.

skones · Post #978 » by **skones** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:31 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:The numbers aren't as important to me as the tools. Allen's probably a more polished/better prospect than either Henson or Larry were as freshman. I'd still prefer Ike over any other C prospect likely available at #17, but Allen wouldn't be a bad selection.

At the end of the day, you can be the toolsiest player in the world and still be garbage on the court. If he's lazy, it really doesn't matter how many tools he has, they won't make him a productive NBA player. As it stands youre drafting a guy because of his length and potential impact on the defensive end who doesn't have the motor or toughness to actually make an impact there. I tend to lean fool's gold.

I mean, DX's strengths video for example:
*Physical tools
*Defensive Potential
*Upside on the Glass
*Offensive flashes

Every strength is an unrealized thing. Couple that with his first mentioned weakness "Motor and Toughness" and I think you have a preventative trait in that realization.

Dellyhas2gfs · Post #979 » by **Dellyhas2gfs** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:38 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:
machu46 wrote:Probably worth pointing out that DraftExpress has us taking Allen instead of Anigbogu now.

Zach Collins is within reach. Vaughn and 17 to Denver for Collins would be incredible!

Let's try for Henson instead since he's a cheaper version of Plumlee

freewhitemoon · Post #980 » by **freewhitemoon** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:41 pm

Larry sanders was way more explosive than Allen