Frank Ntilikina

Post #261 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 8, 2017 2:07 am

GimmeDat wrote:That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

Longest wingspan DX has on record, PG: 6-11.75 (Georges DePaula)
Longest wingspan DX has on record, SG: 7-1 (MarShon Brooks, Dudley Blackwell)

Longest wingspan for NBA rotation player, PG: 6-11 (Shaun Livingston)
Longest wingspan for NBA rotation player, SG: 6-11.25 (Allen Crabbe)

Post #262 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 8, 2017 2:14 am

Even if he doesn't develop into a PG, I think he can easily be a longer Iman Shumpert. To me, that's essentially his floor (removing possibility of completely busting, which every prospect has). He may not develop into a star, but has a high probability of sticking around as a 3/D player. Even at SG, if he begins to develop his offensive game past where it is, look out.

Post #263 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 8, 2017 2:51 am

Klomp wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

Longest wingspan DX has on record, PG: 6-11.75 (Georges DePaula)
Longest wingspan DX has on record, SG: 7-1 (MarShon Brooks, Dudley Blackwell)

Longest wingspan for NBA rotation player, PG: 6-11 (Shaun Livingston)
Longest wingspan for NBA rotation player, SG: 6-11.25 (Allen Crabbe)

Just for another layer of information

Longest wingspans for NBA rotation player, SF:
Kevin Durant, 7-4
Kawhi Leonard, 7-3
Giannis Antetokounmpo, 7-3
Rudy Gay, 7-3
Brandon Ingram, 7-3
Damien Inglis, 7-3
Trevor Ariza, 7-2
Jerami Grant, 7-2
Kyle Anderson, 7-1
Otto Porter, 7-1
Kelly Oubre, 7-1

Other notable SFs:
LeBron James, 7-0.25
Andrew Wiggins, 7-0
Paul George, 6-11.25
Jimmy Butler, 6-7.5

Dr Positivity · Post #264 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Jun 8, 2017 3:11 am

You can say maybe he can play some PG one day, but I don't see the justification for him being called a PG primary right now. He is a SG on his current team and both his body/mobility and his game's strengths and weaknesses are definitely more like a SGs than a PGs. A long armed SG with 3pt potential is appealing in modern game anyways

doordoor123 · Post #265 » by **doordoor123** » Thu Jun 8, 2017 4:02 am

Klomp wrote:Even if he doesn't develop into a PG, I think he can easily be a longer Iman Shumpert. To me, that's essentially his floor (removing possibility of completely busting, which every prospect has). He may not develop into a star, but has a high probability of sticking around as a 3/D player. Even at SG, if he begins to develop his offensive game past where it is, look out.

His jumpshot is better than Iman's has ever been.

No-Man · Post #266 » by **No-Man** » Thu Jun 8, 2017 5:41 am

Dr Positivity wrote:You can say maybe he can play some PG one day, but I don't see the justification for him being called a PG primary right now. He is a SG on his current team and both his body/mobility and his game's strengths and weaknesses are definitely more like a SGs than a PGs. A long armed SG with 3pt potential is appealing in modern game anyways

Has been playing PG for his team as a starter for a while now

Mirotic12 · Post #267 » by **Mirotic12** » Thu Jun 8, 2017 8:26 pm

Fischella wrote:Has been playing PG for his team as a starter for a while now

In a lot of European basketball systems they use the old Yugoslavian definition of a point guard. That's what Ntilikina is playing...in NBA terminology it's called the shooting guard position.

So his team calls it "point guard", but it's the same exact position and role as shooting guard is in the NBA. Positions are not always uniform from European basketball to American basketball.

Very often,

In Europe, point guard = shooting guard in America

In Europe, shooting guard = point guard in America

In Europe, center = power forward in America

Under American basketball definitions, Ntilikina is used as a shooting guard by his team, SIG.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #268 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jun 8, 2017 10:33 pm

I don't think there's a PG slower than him.

daoneandonly · Post #269 » by **daoneandonly** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:22 pm

I have no doubt this guy will bust, he's the Belgian Dante Exum

dukes_wild · Post #270 » by **dukes_wild** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:48 pm

I have Ntilikina as the 5th best PG prospect just barely ahead of Frank Jackson, 12th best overall prospect

Village Idiot · Post #271 » by **Village Idiot** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:52 am

brannigan73 wrote:Ntilikina has played against suspect competition. Lets dial back the hype a little bit. He is slated to go around 10 and that seems about right to me. To try to push him in front of guys like Monk and Dennis Smith. Uh no.

Smith is a ball-hog who seemed to have really poor chemistry with teammates. Monk can definitely have a role in the league as a scorer/shooter. I can see good reasons for a team to prefer Ntilikina over either or both of them although his offensive game is unpolished. His physical potential is better suited for the NBA in that he can guard the 1-3 while Smith can only guard the 1 and Monk will be physically overmatched against most players.

Curmudgeon · Post #272 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:31 pm

So many axes to grind here. Defensively, Ntilikina is a beast with his length and 7-0 wingspan. Players like Fultz and Ball with high dribbles will have to work to get the ball across halfcourt with Ntilikina hounding them. Ntilikina is slow? Are you kidding?

His offensive game needs development but the fundamentals are there. Smooth stroke, good court vision, unselfish player. He's probably going to the Knicks at #8 and in a year or two folks will begin to recognize what a steal he was.

HotelVitale · Post #273 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:52 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:So many axes to grind here. Defensively, Ntilikina is a beast with his length and 7-0 wingspan. Players like Fultz and Ball with high dribbles will have to work to get the ball across halfcourt with Ntilikina hounding them. Ntilikina is slow? Are you kidding?

He doesn't have a first step on offense and doesn't have crazy choppy feet on defense. There's a lot to like about his defensive potential but it's not like he's going to be stealing the ball from NBA point guards as they bring it up (the steal highlights you're seeing are against Estonian teenagers and 16 year-old Luxembourgians). Also plenty of junk defenders had big wingspans--Marshon Brooks had a 7'0 wingpsan IIRC, and D Lo has a 6'10 one. I'm sure there are dozens of other guys with big wingspans that haven't made anything of it.

There's no reason to go straight from 'he has some good things' to 'he'll be a stifling lockdown guy from day one.' He doesn't have the most amazing defensive profile ever but he has some good upside there. No need to hate him or fall in love, truth is always in between.

rzzzzz · Post #274 » by **rzzzzz** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:59 pm

Village Idiot wrote:Smith is a ball-hog who seemed to have really poor chemistry with teammates.

Smith's assists rate wasn't bad, and would have been more than respectable if he had team mates who converted the looks he gave them. and his coach... but you raise a valid concern, which is why Phil probably had dinner with the kid last week: to get a handle on where his head is at. the Knicks didn't work him out, though. they didn't need to. his athleticism is off the charts, and he can shoot the NBA long ball.

MotownMadness · Post #275 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:18 pm

rzzzzz wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:Smith is a ball-hog who seemed to have really poor chemistry with teammates.

Smith's assists rate wasn't bad, and would have been more than respectable if he had team mates who converted the looks he gave them. and his coach... but you raise a valid concern, which is why Phil probably had dinner with the kid last week: to get a handle on where his head is at. the Knicks didn't work him out, though. they didn't need to. his athleticism is off the charts, and he can shoot the NBA long ball.

I don't see him getting past the Magic anyways to be honest

reanimator · Post #276 » by **reanimator** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:36 pm

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Curmudgeon · Post #277 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:48 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:So many axes to grind here. Defensively, Ntilikina is a beast with his length and 7-0 wingspan. Players like Fultz and Ball with high dribbles will have to work to get the ball across halfcourt with Ntilikina hounding them. Ntilikina is slow? Are you kidding?

He doesn't have a first step on offense and doesn't have crazy choppy feet on defense.

Oh baloney. These are the same kinds of tired cliches that people who know nothing trot out, like "doesn't create his own shot."
Watch some video of Ntilikina in the French league playoffs, where is has been outstanding despite limited minutes. Plus he's the youngest player in the draft, playing against men, not college boys.

No-Man · Post #278 » by **No-Man** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:52 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:So many axes to grind here. Defensively, Ntilikina is a beast with his length and 7-0 wingspan. Players like Fultz and Ball with high dribbles will have to work to get the ball across halfcourt with Ntilikina hounding them. Ntilikina is slow? Are you kidding?

He doesn't have a first step on offense and doesn't have crazy choppy feet on defense.

Oh baloney. These are the same kinds of tired cliches that people who know nothing trot out, like "doesn't create his own shot."
Watch some video of Ntilikina in the French league playoffs, where is has been outstanding.

His feet on D are amazing, and he is huge, it aint as easy to be shifty when you are 6'7 with his length, and he is, gets skinny, around screens, battles.

He is super impressive to me, can't quite remember a perimeter player his age with this tools and upside coming from Europe honestly.

Mirotic12 · Post #279 » by **Mirotic12** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:48 pm

Klomp wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:That wingspan is nuts. Is there any guard (PG or SG) that's that long in the league?

Longest wingspan DX has on record, PG: 6-11.75 (Georges DePaula)
Longest wingspan DX has on record, SG: 7-1 (MarShon Brooks, Dudley Blackwell)

Longest wingspan for NBA rotation player, PG: 6-11 (Shaun Livingston)
Longest wingspan for NBA rotation player, SG: 6-11.25 (Allen Crabbe)

Dimitris Diamantidis played at PG in Europe...he is 6-6 in shoes and his wingspan is 7-1. So he has everyone beat then. No wonder he got the nickname of Octopus Man.

Fischella wrote:Watch some video of NtilikiHis feet on D are amazing, and he is huge, it aint as easy to be shifty when you are 6'7 with his length, and he is, gets skinny, around screens, battles.

He is super impressive to me, can't quite remember a perimeter player his age with this tools and upside coming from Europe honestly.

Where did you get that he is 6-7? He does not look 6-7 at all.

HotelVitale · Post #280 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:22 pm

Fischella wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote: Oh baloney. These are the same kinds of tired cliches that people who know nothing trot out, like "doesn't create his own shot." Watch some video of Ntilikina in the French league playoffs, where is has been outstanding.

His feet on D are amazing, and he is huge, it aint as easy to be shifty when you are 6'7 with his length, and he is, gets skinny, around screens, battles. He is super impressive to me, can't quite remember a perimeter player his age with this tools and upside coming from Europe honestly.

Wow, y'all do like to fall in love! You're both talking about him like he's a shoe-in to be all-NBA defense from the jump, guess I just don't see that sort of dominant athlete there. Seems more like he can create some problems and be a nice defensive player but probably won't be a game changer against NBA athletes. Should have good steal/block numbers for a guard, and his D will give him a good chance to become a 3D guy who can also handle and drive some if things work out well. That's all dependent on deelopment though (like with all but the best prospects) and I'm not sure what I'm missing if you're seeing a sure thing with him.