2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

M-C-G · Post #1021 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:05 pm

Who do you guys consider the best 5 shooters in this draft?
Who do you consider the best 5 shooters available at or after pick 17 and later?

Part of me is thinking, do we just prioritize getting more shooting as the number one priority versus the best overall player available? Like weight shooting higher when looking at the prospect. In that case, guys like Ike would drop down my board some.

emunney · Post #1022 » by **emunney** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:09 pm

M-C-G wrote:Who do you guys consider the best 5 shooters in this draft?
Who do you consider the best 5 shooters available at or after pick 17 and later?

Part of me is thinking, do we just prioritize getting more shooting as the number one priority versus the best overall player available? Like weight shooting higher when looking at the prospect. In that case, guys like Ike would drop down my board some.

Not shooting exclusively, but I do think fit with Giannis should be among the first wave of considerations. Shooting should be a litmus test at least among perimeter players.

tski1972 · Post #1023 » by **tski1972** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:10 pm

sdn40 wrote:
tski1972 wrote:

Read on Twitter

too bad the Bucks don't have a GM.

Don't know if you're kidding or not, but some of you act as if the Bucks are closed for business, not answering the phone or whatever. It's business as usual. Zanik is the acting GM and is covering all of those duties until he is told otherwise. He is probably in Hammonds former office as we speak taking the sharpened pencils out of the ceiling. Just like any other organization, he has a team of guys he talks to about possible trade partners, options etc. They are making final preparations for the draft just like any other team. The spot isn't vacant.

of course it's business as usual, but if Zanik doesn't end up the GM then the real GM has missed their first opportunity to construct the team they want at a pretty crucial time.

crkone · Post #1024 » by **crkone** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:11 pm

emunney wrote:
M-C-G wrote:Who do you guys consider the best 5 shooters in this draft?
Who do you consider the best 5 shooters available at or after pick 17 and later?

Part of me is thinking, do we just prioritize getting more shooting as the number one priority versus the best overall player available? Like weight shooting higher when looking at the prospect. In that case, guys like Ike would drop down my board some.

Not shooting exclusively, but I do think fit with Giannis should be among the first wave of considerations. Shooting should be a litmus test at least among perimeter players.

They also need guys who can create their own shots. Giannis can't create all on his own, especially if he can't shoot.

PANDEMONEUM · Post #1025 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:14 pm

Donovan Mitchell
SG | Louisville 6'3" 211 lbs Sophomore 20.8 yrs

Luke Kennard
SG | Duke 6'6" 196 lbs Sophomore 20.9 yrs

Justin Jackson
SF | North Carolina 6'8" 201 lbs Junior 22.2 yrs

Josh Hart
SG | Villanova 6'5" 209 lbs Senior 22.3 yrs

does Leaf count as a shooter ?
Hartenstein is a willing shooter.

Fotis St · Post #1026 » by **Fotis St** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:17 pm

M-C-G wrote:Who do you guys consider the best 5 shooters in this draft?
Who do you consider the best 5 shooters available at or after pick 17 and later?

Part of me is thinking, do we just prioritize getting more shooting as the number one priority versus the best overall player available? Like weight shooting higher when looking at the prospect. In that case, guys like Ike would drop down my board some.

I get what you are saying but Kidd has Middleton and Teletovic and it seems that our offense was complete chaos. Kidd's moto " the closer to the basket you go, the bigger threat you are" is killing our shooters. We were near the bottom in the NBA in 3PAs ... so Kidd's is not thinking the way you think. I like your thought but Kidd is like driving this Franchise with his foot always on the break pedal. No reason to get a fast car when Kidd is the driver.
Anyway shooters : Kennard, Jok, not really sold on others ... there are many streaky shooters ... catch n shoot guys .... but as natural shooters are those two in my eyes.

emunney · Post #1027 » by **emunney** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:18 pm

crkone wrote:
emunney wrote:
M-C-G wrote:Who do you guys consider the best 5 shooters in this draft?
Who do you consider the best 5 shooters available at or after pick 17 and later?

Part of me is thinking, do we just prioritize getting more shooting as the number one priority versus the best overall player available? Like weight shooting higher when looking at the prospect. In that case, guys like Ike would drop down my board some.

Not shooting exclusively, but I do think fit with Giannis should be among the first wave of considerations. Shooting should be a litmus test at least among perimeter players.

They also need guys who can create their own shots. Giannis can't create all on his own, especially if he can't shoot.

Sure, but that really narrows down the list, and there's no guarantee the guys who could do it in college can do it in the pros. Shot creators go quick. Would be happy to trade up for one of them if the price isn't too steep. Would also be happy to take a shot with Derrick White at 17.

Pure shooting is a little easier to scout, imo, and balancing the floor around Giannis better will make it easier for him or anybody else to create shots.

Fotis St · Post #1028 » by **Fotis St** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:18 pm

M-C-G wrote:Who do you guys consider the best 5 shooters in this draft?
Who do you consider the best 5 shooters available at or after pick 17 and later?

Part of me is thinking, do we just prioritize getting more shooting as the number one priority versus the best overall player available? Like weight shooting higher when looking at the prospect. In that case, guys like Ike would drop down my board some.

I get what you are saying but Kidd has Middleton and Teletovic and it seems that our offense was complete chaos. Kidd's moto " the closer to the basket you go, the bigger threat you are" is killing our shooters. We were near the bottom in the NBA in 3PAs ... so Kidd's is not thinking the way you think. I like your thought but Kidd is like driving this Franchise with his foot always on the break pedal. No reason to get a fast car when Kidd is the driver.
Anyway shooters : Kennard, Jok, not really sold on others ... there are many streaky shooters ... catch n shoot guys .... but as natural shooters are those two in my eyes.

Edit : Markannen too, Ferguson was projected as one of the best shooters in this class, but he had a low usage and poor % in Australia...

So you asked 5 best shooters
1.Markannen (picked earlier)
2.Kennard (probably picked earlier)
3.Jok (Projected Undrafted, available at #48)
4.Ferguson (probably available at #17)
5.Kurucs (available at#17)

Lippo · Post #1029 » by **Lippo** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:19 pm

I want BAM

PANDEMONEUM · Post #1030 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:20 pm

2nd round, "shooters'

Sindarius Thornwell
SG | South Carolina 6'5" 212 lbs Senior 22.6 yrs

Dwayne Bacon
SF | Florida State 6'6" 222 lbs Sophomore 21.8 yrs

and idk if any of the PGs are considered shooters

Post #1031 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:25 pm

Read on Twitter

Heh.

M-C-G · Post #1032 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:28 pm

PANDEMONEUM wrote:2nd round, "shooters'

Sindarius Thornwell
SG | South Carolina 6'5" 212 lbs Senior 22.6 yrs

Dwayne Bacon
SF | Florida State 6'6" 222 lbs Sophomore 21.8 yrs

and idk if any of the PGs are considered shooters

I think I am trying to lock in Dorsey somehow in the second round. He can be your third string PG, but he seems to check the boxes shooting and scoring wise. I really love Thornwell too and would love to figure out how to get both guys in the second.

SirChurros · Post #1033 » by **SirChurros** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:52 pm

I wouldn't classify Thornwell as a shooter.

He had two good season's shooting the three and two really bad seasons. I think he's probably a 32-34% three-point shooter in the NBA. A team is going to take him because he's experienced and is a good defender.

PANDEMONEUM · Post #1034 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:55 pm

M-C-G wrote:
PANDEMONEUM wrote:2nd round, "shooters'

Sindarius Thornwell
SG | South Carolina 6'5" 212 lbs Senior 22.6 yrs

Dwayne Bacon
SF | Florida State 6'6" 222 lbs Sophomore 21.8 yrs

and idk if any of the PGs are considered shooters

I think I am trying to lock in Dorsey somehow in the second round. He can be your third string PG, but he seems to check the boxes shooting and scoring wise. I really love Thornwell too and would love to figure out how to get both guys in the second.

tankathon, doesnt even have Tyler Dorsey being drafted.
dx, has him at #47

i really like Bacon.
maybe hes more of a, scorer, instead of a shooter.

SirChurros · Post #1035 » by **SirChurros** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:57 pm

Yeah, Bacon is much more of a scorer/slasher than he is a shooter at this point.

That being said, I would take Bacon or Dorsey long before I take Thornwell.

emunney · Post #1036 » by **emunney** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:59 pm

For mine, Thornwell should have been National PoY. Unreal how far he carried that squad.

LuessiT · Post #1037 » by **LuessiT** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:02 pm

PANDEMONEUM wrote:2nd round, "shooters'

Sindarius Thornwell
SG | South Carolina 6'5" 212 lbs Senior 22.6 yrs

Dwayne Bacon
SF | Florida State 6'6" 222 lbs Sophomore 21.8 yrs

and idk if any of the PGs are considered shooters

Thornwell is not a good shooter. Thornwell was awfull untill this year (and even now his shot looks flat and his TS% is only this high because he gets to the line A LOT). Neither is Bacon. Come on.

LuessiT · Post #1038 » by **LuessiT** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:03 pm

emunney wrote:For mine, Thornwell should have been National PoY. Unreal how far he carried that squad.

Yes, but he's still not a shooter. He's one of the best defensive guard prospects though.

emunney · Post #1039 » by **emunney** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:04 pm

Counterpoint: Thornwell is a good shooter, but is going to struggle to stretch to NBA range. He's especially a good shooter if you consider that shooting wouldn't be in his top 3 strengths as a player.

xTitan · Post #1040 » by **xTitan** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:09 pm

Fotis St wrote:
M-C-G wrote:Who do you guys consider the best 5 shooters in this draft?
Who do you consider the best 5 shooters available at or after pick 17 and later?

Part of me is thinking, do we just prioritize getting more shooting as the number one priority versus the best overall player available? Like weight shooting higher when looking at the prospect. In that case, guys like Ike would drop down my board some.

I get what you are saying but Kidd has Middleton and Teletovic and it seems that our offense was complete chaos. Kidd's moto " the closer to the basket you go, the bigger threat you are" is killing our shooters. We were near the bottom in the NBA in 3PAs ... so Kidd's is not thinking the way you think. I like your thought but Kidd is like driving this Franchise with his foot always on the break pedal. No reason to get a fast car when Kidd is the driver.
Anyway shooters : Kennard, Jok, not really sold on others ... there are many streaky shooters ... catch n shoot guys .... but as natural shooters are those two in my eyes.

Edit : Markannen too, Ferguson was projected as one of the best shooters in this class, but he had a low usage and poor % in Australia...

So you asked 5 best shooters
1.Markannen (picked earlier)
2.Kennard (probably picked earlier)
3.Jok (Projected Undrafted, available at #48)
4.Ferguson (probably available at #17)
5.Kurucs (available at#17)

I agree with 1 and 2, perhaps keeping Jok....but no Monk? I'd put Monk 3, considering age and all