[RUNNER UP] Who do you NOT want the Suns to draft at #4?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

BUMP. Need more votes.

[Kyler Murray]

i just vote lonzo every round

[Blonde]

Can't believe so many people were that low on DSJ

[Damkac]

We already have our older DSJ in Bledsoe.

[Bjorpa]

We already have our older DSJ in Bledsoe.

Yeah, but Bledsoe does not fit timeline. DSJ does.

Bledsoe is great, but will be at least 31 when Booker, Chriss and Bender are ready. He might land us a draft pick, or young talent today.

[Qwigglez]

Don't want Ball. He really wants to stay in LA. Even if the Suns did somehow get him at No 4, I could actually see him refusing to sign an extension with us, taking the qualifying offer just so he can sign with the Lakers.

[Zelaznyrules]

Don't want Ball. He really wants to stay in LA. Even if the Suns did somehow get him at No 4, I could actually see him refusing to sign an extension with us, taking the qualifying offer just so he can sign with the Lakers.

I've been saying that since January but the scenario has changed IMO. I do believe he'd have run to LA the first chance he got but now, for that to happen, it would mean that LA spurned both him and his father. Given that, I believe we'd have as good of a chance of re-signing him as anyone and maybe even more so due to proximity. I guess we could lose him to the Clippers but he's shown no love for that franchise so I doubt it. So AFAIC, as long as we don't jump ahead of LA via trade, we need only worry about Lonzo, his play, and his out of this world father.

[Qwigglez]

Don't want Ball. He really wants to stay in LA. Even if the Suns did somehow get him at No 4, I could actually see him refusing to sign an extension with us, taking the qualifying offer just so he can sign with the Lakers.

I've been saying that since January but the scenario has changed IMO. I do believe he'd have run to LA the first chance he got but now, for that to happen, it would mean that LA spurned both him and his father. Given that, I believe we'd have as good of a chance of re-signing him as anyone and maybe even more so due to proximity. I guess we could lose him to the Clippers but he's shown no love for that franchise so I doubt it. So AFAIC, as long as we don't jump ahead of LA via trade, we need only worry about Lonzo, his play, and his out of this world father.

Did you watch him on the Kimmel Show? He said he wants to stay in LA. I could easily see his father driving a wedge between Lonzo and our front office if we decided to draft him. I just don't want to take that risk.

[Zelaznyrules]

Don't want Ball. He really wants to stay in LA. Even if the Suns did somehow get him at No 4, I could actually see him refusing to sign an extension with us, taking the qualifying offer just so he can sign with the Lakers.

I've been saying that since January but the scenario has changed IMO. I do believe he'd have run to LA the first chance he got but now, for that to happen, it would mean that LA spurned both him and his father. Given that, I believe we'd have as good of a chance of re-signing him as anyone and maybe even more so due to proximity. I guess we could lose him to the Clippers but he's shown no love for that franchise so I doubt it. So AFAIC, as long as we don't jump ahead of LA via trade, we need only worry about Lonzo, his play, and his out of this world father.

Did you watch him on the Kimmel Show? He said he wants to stay in LA. I could easily see his father driving a wedge between Lonzo and our front office if we decided to draft him. I just don't want to take that risk.

I understand but seriously, how will he feel once LA chooses to not draft him? Right now he thinks it's a lock because his dad keeps telling him it's his destiny but those emotional ties will be brutally severed if they can draft him and opt not to.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I've been saying that since January but the scenario has changed IMO. I do believe he'd have run to LA the first chance he got but now, for that to happen, it would mean that LA spurned both him and his father. Given that, I believe we'd have as good of a chance of re-signing him as anyone and maybe even more so due to proximity. I guess we could lose him to the Clippers but he's shown no love for that franchise so I doubt it. So AFAIC, as long as we don't jump ahead of LA via trade, we need only worry about Lonzo, his play, and his out of this world father.

Did you watch him on the Kimmel Show? He said he wants to stay in LA. I could easily see his father driving a wedge between Lonzo and our front office if we decided to draft him. I just don't want to take that risk.

I understand but seriously, how will he feel once LA chooses to not draft him? Right now he thinks it's a lock because his dad keeps telling him it's his destiny but those emotional ties will be brutally severed if they can draft him and opt not to.

My thoughts exactly. I'd be worried about taking him ahead of where the Lakers drafted, or in any event if the Lakers did not have a pick. But if he's spurned by the Lakers, I imagine there's at least the potential for the Balls to turn into the world's most famous Laker haters. And what better team for Lakers haters than the Suns?

Ultimately, I do think the FO will select whomever remains of the 4 players left on this list. Personally, I'd rather we deal down for Collins.

[Zelaznyrules]

Did you watch him on the Kimmel Show? He said he wants to stay in LA. I could easily see his father driving a wedge between Lonzo and our front office if we decided to draft him. I just don't want to take that risk.

I understand but seriously, how will he feel once LA chooses to not draft him? Right now he thinks it's a lock because his dad keeps telling him it's his destiny but those emotional ties will be brutally severed if they can draft him and opt not to.

My thoughts exactly. I'd be worried about taking him ahead of where the Lakers drafted, or in any event if the Lakers did not have a pick. But if he's spurned by the Lakers, I imagine there's at least the potential for the Balls to turn into the world's most famous Laker haters. And what better team for Lakers haters than the Suns?

Ultimately, I do think the FO will select whomever remains of the 4 players left on this list. Personally, I'd rather we deal down for Collins.

From where I sit, I hate the idea of drafting Collins anywhere in the first round. His undeveloped mental game along with his Len-like propensity to pick up stupid fouls scares the heck out of me. For the life of me I don't understand the Zach bandwagon. Having said that, if the front office has done their work and they still believe that they can turn him into a modern center, I'm all for that even if we have to do it at 4. I figure once you have your target, you're playing with fire if you play the trade-down game.

[bwgood77]

Don't want Ball. He really wants to stay in LA. Even if the Suns did somehow get him at No 4, I could actually see him refusing to sign an extension with us, taking the qualifying offer just so he can sign with the Lakers.

I've been saying that since January but the scenario has changed IMO. I do believe he'd have run to LA the first chance he got but now, for that to happen, it would mean that LA spurned both him and his father. Given that, I believe we'd have as good of a chance of re-signing him as anyone and maybe even more so due to proximity. I guess we could lose him to the Clippers but he's shown no love for that franchise so I doubt it. So AFAIC, as long as we don't jump ahead of LA via trade, we need only worry about Lonzo, his play, and his out of this world father.

Did you watch him on the Kimmel Show? He said he wants to stay in LA. I could easily see his father driving a wedge between Lonzo and our front office if we decided to draft him. I just don't want to take that risk.

If the Lakers pass on him they obviously don't want him that bad. You think he will still beg to go play for them and take far less money taking the QO?

[bwgood77]

I understand but seriously, how will he feel once LA chooses to not draft him? Right now he thinks it's a lock because his dad keeps telling him it's his destiny but those emotional ties will be brutally severed if they can draft him and opt not to.

My thoughts exactly. I'd be worried about taking him ahead of where the Lakers drafted, or in any event if the Lakers did not have a pick. But if he's spurned by the Lakers, I imagine there's at least the potential for the Balls to turn into the world's most famous Laker haters. And what better team for Lakers haters than the Suns?

Ultimately, I do think the FO will select whomever remains of the 4 players left on this list. Personally, I'd rather we deal down for Collins.

From where I sit, I hate the idea of drafting Collins anywhere in the first round. His undeveloped mental game along with his Len-like propensity to pick up stupid fouls scares the heck out of me. For the life of me I don't understand the Zach bandwagon. Having said that, if the front office has done their work and they still believe that they can turn him into a modern center, I'm all for that even if we have to do it at 4. I figure once you have your target, you're playing with fire if you play the trade-down game.

I wouldn't exactly say there is a bandwagon for Collins. I mean he did finish 11th in this poll. I wouldn't mind taking him at 10 or 12 if better prospects are gone and our FO likes him (if we had that pick). I wouldn't want to trade down for that unless we got a major asset for doing that though, and I don't see a major asset that we could get unless somehow Sac thought someone else was going to trade up with us to nab Fox, panicked, and offered us 5 and 10 for 4.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I understand but seriously, how will he feel once LA chooses to not draft him? Right now he thinks it's a lock because his dad keeps telling him it's his destiny but those emotional ties will be brutally severed if they can draft him and opt not to.

My thoughts exactly. I'd be worried about taking him ahead of where the Lakers drafted, or in any event if the Lakers did not have a pick. But if he's spurned by the Lakers, I imagine there's at least the potential for the Balls to turn into the world's most famous Laker haters. And what better team for Lakers haters than the Suns?

Ultimately, I do think the FO will select whomever remains of the 4 players left on this list. Personally, I'd rather we deal down for Collins.

From where I sit, I hate the idea of drafting Collins anywhere in the first round. His undeveloped mental game along with his Len-like propensity to pick up stupid fouls scares the heck out of me. For the life of me I don't understand the Zach bandwagon. Having said that, if the front office has done their work and they still believe that they can turn him into a modern center, I'm all for that even if we have to do it at 4. I figure once you have your target, you're playing with fire if you play the trade-down game.

I don't think his propensity to foul or anything else about Collins is "Len-like". His fouls result from toughness and aggression. Len's have often resulted from weakness - an inability to put his body on his man so having to resort to shoving and hacking. A lack of balance and confidence on offense.

Whereas Len had the physique and athleticism, Collins just strikes me as having the right mentality and approach. I wouldn't be at all disappointed to see us take him at 4, 6 or 7. That bandwagon is relatively small - basically, me, sunsbum, frank... and maybe one or two more I've missed.

Admittedly, if C were our strength and not our weakness, I would not have him #4 on my board. I can also see why some would prefer Lauri - he has a chance to be the next evolution of Nowizki. I think whoever drafts him will have made a wise selection. But Collins is my pick.

[Qwigglez]

I've been saying that since January but the scenario has changed IMO. I do believe he'd have run to LA the first chance he got but now, for that to happen, it would mean that LA spurned both him and his father. Given that, I believe we'd have as good of a chance of re-signing him as anyone and maybe even more so due to proximity. I guess we could lose him to the Clippers but he's shown no love for that franchise so I doubt it. So AFAIC, as long as we don't jump ahead of LA via trade, we need only worry about Lonzo, his play, and his out of this world father.

Did you watch him on the Kimmel Show? He said he wants to stay in LA. I could easily see his father driving a wedge between Lonzo and our front office if we decided to draft him. I just don't want to take that risk.

If the Lakers pass on him they obviously don't want him that bad. You think he will still beg to go play for them and take far less money taking the QO?

Yes, his friends and family would still tell him to go to LA. The Lakers could easily switch management in 4 years time or whatever and new faces could tell Ball they want him in LA. I wouldn't touch Ball, unless Fultz, Jackson, and Tatum are off the board. And even then I may even trade the pick.

[Zelaznyrules]

My thoughts exactly. I'd be worried about taking him ahead of where the Lakers drafted, or in any event if the Lakers did not have a pick. But if he's spurned by the Lakers, I imagine there's at least the potential for the Balls to turn into the world's most famous Laker haters. And what better team for Lakers haters than the Suns?

Ultimately, I do think the FO will select whomever remains of the 4 players left on this list. Personally, I'd rather we deal down for Collins.

From where I sit, I hate the idea of drafting Collins anywhere in the first round. His undeveloped mental game along with his Len-like propensity to pick up stupid fouls scares the heck out of me. For the life of me I don't understand the Zach bandwagon. Having said that, if the front office has done their work and they still believe that they can turn him into a modern center, I'm all for that even if we have to do it at 4. I figure once you have your target, you're playing with fire if you play the trade-down game.

I don't think his propensity to foul or anything else about Collins is "Len-like". His fouls result from toughness and aggression. Len's have often resulted from weakness - an inability to put his body on his man so having to resort to shoving and hacking. A lack of balance and confidence on offense.

Whereas Len had the physique and athleticism, Collins just strikes me as having the right mentality and approach. I wouldn't be at all disappointed to see us take him at 4, 6 or 7. That bandwagon is relatively small - basically, me, sunsbum, frank... and maybe one or two more I've missed.

Admittedly, if C were our strength and not our weakness, I would not have him #4 on my board. I can also see why some would prefer Lauri - he has a chance to be the next evolution of Nowizki. I think whoever drafts him will have made a wise selection. But Collins is my pick.

I watched several Gonzaga games but I haven't watched any of the draft videos on him, do they gloss over his problems when he has to match up against actual big men? Unlike Alex, Collins has good hands and I like his chance to become a court spacing big man down the road. But, IMO, like Alex, coming into the league he's more project than prospect. Right now, the gap between him and Markkanen is huge. I get why people are in love with his possible future but I'm really surprised that people think he belongs in the lottery.

[Zelaznyrules]

Did you watch him on the Kimmel Show? He said he wants to stay in LA. I could easily see his father driving a wedge between Lonzo and our front office if we decided to draft him. I just don't want to take that risk.

If the Lakers pass on him they obviously don't want him that bad. You think he will still beg to go play for them and take far less money taking the QO?

Yes, his friends and family would still tell him to go to LA. The Lakers could easily switch management in 4 years time or whatever and new faces could tell Ball they want him in LA. I wouldn't touch Ball, unless Fultz, Jackson, and Tatum are off the board. And even then I may even trade the pick.

I can't see Lavar just putting it behind him, that man can hold a grudge like no one's business. Just ask the last Chino Hills coach. And we've seen no reason to believe that anyone (ANYONE) influences him like his father does. Perhaps a change in management might produce a change in heart but I doubt it given that it's Magic Johnson that will be driving this decision and even if he's no longer with the team I can't see him being unaffiliated. Also, ownership is very present in the Lakers community and that's not likely to change either. I think you just don't want any piece of Ball and you're reaching for reasons but I think I'd stick with the more established issues; namely Dad, fit, questionable mid-range game and on the ball defense.

[bwgood77]

If the Lakers pass on him they obviously don't want him that bad. You think he will still beg to go play for them and take far less money taking the QO?

Yes, his friends and family would still tell him to go to LA. The Lakers could easily switch management in 4 years time or whatever and new faces could tell Ball they want him in LA. I wouldn't touch Ball, unless Fultz, Jackson, and Tatum are off the board. And even then I may even trade the pick.

I can't see Lavar just putting it behind him, that man can hold a grudge like no one's business. Just ask the last Chino Hills coach. And we've seen no reason to believe that anyone (ANYONE) influences him like his father does. Perhaps a change in management might produce a change in heart but I doubt it given that it's Magic Johnson that will be driving this decision and even if he's no longer with the team I can't see him being unaffiliated. Also, ownership is very present in the Lakers community and that's not likely to change either. I think you just don't want any piece of Ball and you're reaching for reasons but I think I'd stick with the more established issues; namely Dad, fit, questionable mid-range game and on the ball defense.

I don't think LaVar matters. Lonzo will be a man in 4 years making his own decisions and if he came to a team, had new teammates, developed those relationships, and especially if they Suns were winning, I seriously doubt he'd want to take a QO to hopefully go play for a team he's been battling against for four years.

It's not like he'd be going to play with ex teammates and guys he knows in all likelihood.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

BUMP. I'm going to give this one more day. Get your votes in!! It's a nail biter!!!

[itlnsunsfan]

I wouldn't mind any of these 4.