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Post#841 » by stitches » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:38 am

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stitches wrote:I kid... I dunno... it's a pretty long term bet and I don't trust the Kings to develop players. If I'm here in 10 years lets do a 1 year signature or avatar bet. Also what would be the criteria?

Intriguing....

As for criteria, that's tough. Like you said, how do you balance the value of years of contractual control vs. talent? Is 7 years of a top 100ish player more valuable than 1 year of a top 30 talent? That in of itself is an interesting debate.

It probably depends on how close you are to contending. If you are close, you probably want 1 year top 30 player. If you are not, you take the long-term value and potential, IMO. I don't think we or anyone really is close to the GSW.
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Post#842 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:42 am

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stitches wrote:I kid... I dunno... it's a pretty long term bet and I don't trust the Kings to develop players. If I'm here in 10 years lets do a 1 year signature or avatar bet. Also what would be the criteria?

Intriguing....

As for criteria, that's tough. Like you said, how do you balance the value of years of contractual control vs. talent? Is 7 years of a top 100ish player more valuable than 1 year of a top 30 talent? That in of itself is an interesting debate.

It probably depends on how close you are to contending. If you are close, you probably want 1 year top 30 player. If you are not, you take the long-term value and potential, IMO. I don't think we or anyone really is close to the GSW.

I think I can agree to most of that.

Except the part about not being close to Golden State. I think we're as close as anybody else in the league (when healthy).
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Post#843 » by KqWIN » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:50 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:For the record, this is a terrible way to look at the situation with Favors. You don't just give him away for nothing because you think he's gone at the end of the year. That's not how things work in the NBA.


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Post#844 » by stitches » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:06 pm

I haven't noticed anybody mention it - I listened to a Locke interview on 1280 and they asked him if there has been a Rudy Gobert level workout this year. They usually ask him this specific question every year and he always says there hasn't been anything close to it. This time he said there were 2 that weren't exactly Gobert-level but they were close. The Jazz probably have at least two prospects they like very much. I think only Donovan Mitchell is a player who has worked out for us that is out of our range.

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Post#845 » by AingesBurner » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:10 pm

stitches wrote:I haven't noticed anybody mention it - I listened to a Locke interview on 1280 and they asked him if there has been a Rudy Gobert level workout this year. They usually ask him this specific question every year and he always says there hasn't been anything close to it. This time he said there were 2 that weren't exactly Gobert-level but they were close. The Jazz probably have at least two prospects they like very much. I think only Donovan Mitchell is a player who has worked out for us that is out of our range.


You know it's going down draft night, Hood plus 30 to get Donovan.
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Post#846 » by stitches » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:38 pm

GobertReport wrote:You know it's going down draft night, Hood plus 30 to get Donovan.

I'm not sure Mitchell is one of the players the Jazz like.
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Re: NBA 2017 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#847 » by AingesBurner » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:10 pm

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GobertReport wrote:You know it's going down draft night, Hood plus 30 to get Donovan.

I'm not sure Mitchell is one of the players the Jazz like.


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Post#848 » by stitches » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:08 pm

Locke had a mock draft with his Locked on network and he reportedly picked Tony Bradley at 24 and traded up to 27 from 30 to pick Derrick White. Both of them have had a workout with the Jazz.

I LOATHE the Bradley pick. I wouldn't pick him at 55, let alone at 24.
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Post#849 » by stitches » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:07 pm

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Post#850 » by pickIBL » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:10 pm

I want bolden, kaba, de paula, and burton and a lot of these guys are low or aren't even on the board. Fran is one of the few that actually knows what he is talking about. Pass on Bolden at your own risk.
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Post#851 » by AingesBurner » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:30 pm

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Post#852 » by Mirotic12 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:11 pm

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Who's this?

Aleksandar Vezenkov


He actually goes by name of Sasha Vezenkov, but NBA doesn't seem to be aware of that.
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Post#853 » by stitches » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:32 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
Who's this?

Aleksandar Vezenkov


He actually goes by name of Sasha Vezenkov, but NBA doesn't seem to be aware of that.

Do you think he can stay on the floor in the NBA? I'm really worried about his D and athleticism, but he seems to be able to adjust to any level(so far) and succeed.
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Post#854 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:33 pm

stitches wrote:Locke had a mock draft with his Locked on network and he reportedly picked Tony Bradley at 24 and traded up to 27 from 30 to pick Derrick White. Both of them have had a workout with the Jazz.

I LOATHE the Bradley pick. I wouldn't pick him at 55, let alone at 24.

I'm fine with the Derrick White pick, but dang... Tony Bradley at 24? Yuck. You could probably get him at 42, tbh. There's about 18 players I rather take at 24 than Bradley. I mean, you could even just take White at 24 and get Bradley at 30 without having to trade up if you really wanted.

As for what Locke said about the impressive workouts: from the interviews of Walt Perrin, my guess is that the two players that really impressed them were Bradley and Lessort. When asked by reporters who had surprised them in workouts, Perrin specifically mentioned those two guys. That's probably where the Bradley love is coming from... but I mean, to take him at 24...? I just don't see that making a whole lot of sense for the Jazz. But you never know, they need a backup C who can space the floor and reports are that Bradley has shot the ball surprisingly well in workouts.

But ya, I'm with you... totally not down for Bradley at 24.
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Post#855 » by sipclip » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:49 pm

stitches wrote:Locke had a mock draft with his Locked on network and he reportedly picked Tony Bradley at 24 and traded up to 27 from 30 to pick Derrick White. Both of them have had a workout with the Jazz.

I LOATHE the Bradley pick. I wouldn't pick him at 55, let alone at 24.


Lets hope to god this isn't what the jazz are thinking at 24. I actually really like White so I wouldn't mind him at 30 but I wouldn't trade up for him.
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Post#856 » by KqWIN » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:56 pm

Locke conspiracy says Tony Bradley and Derrick White...Not my favorite.
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Post#857 » by KqWIN » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:40 am

What exactly does Tony Bradley do besides rebound? He's a ground bound big man who is trying to develop a mid range shot. Yuck! This guy has Cristiano Felicio potential.
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Re: NBA 2017 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#858 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:32 am

KqWIN wrote:What exactly does Tony Bradley do besides rebound? He's a ground bound big man who is trying to develop a mid range shot. Yuck! This guy has Cristiano Felicio potential.

In fairness, I really like Cristiano Felicio. I actually think he'd be a great signing in free agency. He'd be an excellent backup C.

Tbh, the more I've looked at the draft, the more sold I've become on Semi Ojeleye at 24. He's not perfect by any stretch, but I think you have to take him if he somehow falls to 24 with how few wings are in this draft. You can get a plenty good big guy at 30 or even 42 if you really want one. That's also why I'd be fine with drafting either Derrick White or Jawun Evans at 24. Get your guard or wing early and then get a big later.
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Post#859 » by Catchall » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:19 am

Every year, Locke tends to hype players that are just below the Jazz's range, so when the Jazz get a player ranked above those players fans are happy.
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Post#860 » by Catchall » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:25 am

I think in reality the Jazz would like to acquire the following types of players:

** Someone who can play Stretch 5, or maybe Stretch 4/5. In this draft, the ideal might be Zach Collins. I thought Hartenstein might eventually be able to do this, but I'm having doubts. Pasecniks I'm sure has the Jazz's attention. DJ Wilson isn't out of the realm of possibility here now that he measured close to 6'11", but he needs a couple years of development.

** A strong 2-way wing that can potentially replace Rodney Hood if the Jazz decide not to extend or match on his deal. Donovan Mitchell has the Jazz's attention. I think the Jazz would also draft OG if they could. Both players are probably out of range. Not sure if the Jazz like Justin Jackson or Terrance Ferguson.

** I think the Jazz have to be impressed with Bam Adebayo as someone who can replace much of what Favors brings. I'm not 100% sure if the Jazz want a big in this mold, but I can't imagine the Jazz passing on Bam if he's there at 24. The guy can pick and roll, defend pick and roll, rebound and provide help defense all day.

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