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Re: 2017 Offseason Speculation, Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 

Post#481 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:16 pm

pidi wrote:But what can cleveland Add to Mess with the Warriors?? I am so sad that gsw Reminds me that much to the nash-suns.. sad but true

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If they could trade Love for George that might help

Shumpert is on a bad deal - plus he was horrible in the finals

Korver is going to get a lot of money - not sure he makes sense

Brandon Knight anybody, Bueller- - he can get some of his own offense - as that is where they lose to GSW, no bench scoring

think PJ would make at make sense for them. just how to get with MLE for taxpayers
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Post#482 » by Qwigglez » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:32 pm

So uh, who won MVP this season? I thought they announced that in like the beginning of the 2nd round of the playoffs?
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Post#483 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:36 pm

Cavs need a shot blocker... Had Bogut been healthy they could have given Warriors a better competition.

They have the talent... But very predictable system.

Warriors have a bench that can score well but Cavs bench look awful without Lebron setting them up or Kyrie going off scoring wise. The Cavs rely way too much on Lebron..

Warriors have 4 play makers that take turns making plays for others... Draymond, Curry, Durant, Iguadala. And a system where the ball moves ro everyone. They also have are first team in history where defenders leave the lane open during transition to stick close to the shooters... Allowing easy dunks.... They broke the rules of basketball... Defenders give up the paint because of their shooters.


Cavs need more playmakers... Better ball movement and have their shooters actually be smart enough to draw defenders out then give the ball back to the cutters... None of this fake out at 3pt then dribble in.. Warriors are too quick to fall for that. Cavs need better passing.
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Post#484 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:07 pm

Saberestar wrote:
MathiasPW wrote:Can we stop mentioning Gambo as a source?

"Oh but he was right that one time"

Well, broken clocks are also right 2x a day.

He is right a lot of times. That is why I mention him. He has connections for sure.

Just an example...How could he know that the Suns were in Las Vegas on a weekend watching a private workout from Isaac if he does not have any inside info? It was not official AT ALL.


Gambo used to be right more pre Ryan days. I seriously think his source was Sarver. But lately, since Ryan McD that well has dried up.

And just because Gambo says the same thing 3 to 4 times in a 12 minute segment, doesn't mean its right

So maybe he is right about Josh Jackson but he also had the Suns trading Rudy Gay for Markieff Morris, signing Kosta Koufos so take him with a grain of salt.
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Post#485 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:09 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Gambo is a legit source, our best Suns source we have ever had, no offense to the legend, Paul Coro.


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Paul Coro was a beat writer - not an "insider" like Wojnarowski

Paul Coro knew all the dirt but as a beat writer, he has to keep it quiet to keep his sources. There was a lot of stuff Coro could have reported on but his sources would have dried up. A beat writer has to have the respect of the coaches, players, front office to know what to write about and what not too.

So in that respect, Coro and soon to be Bordow, not there job to break stories, get part of the rumor mill, etc. There job is to report stories that happen.
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Post#486 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:52 pm

Well, Curry signing $205 million deal over 5 year, Celtics the primary threat to sign Blake Griffin and Mavs want to sign Jrue and and Justin Holiday...all up in wiretaps. I wonder who the Mavs targets are in the draft. I wonder if they'd still draft a guy like Ntilikina and sign Jrue..probably since Ntilikina is so raw, and would take a while to develop anyway. Or they may hope Markkanen slides, though Dirk said he thought they would look elsewhere in draft.
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Post#487 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:57 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Well, Curry signing $205 million deal over 5 year, Celtics the primary threat to sign Blake Griffin and Mavs want to sign Jrue and and Justin Holiday...all up in wiretaps. I wonder who the Mavs targets are in the draft. I wonder if they'd still draft a guy like Ntilikina and sign Jrue..probably since Ntilikina is so raw, and would take a while to develop anyway. Or they may hope Markkanen slides, though Dirk said he thought they would look elsewhere in draft.


Eric Bledsoe for the 9th overall pick might be good for the Mavs - IF, the Suns draft a point guard at 4. That means Ball

I really don't understand trading back with the Kings for 5 and 10. As that means a young PG and Forward type. Well, does that mean Bledsoe is on the block for a pick. Suns do not need three top 10 picks. The Bledsoe for pick is only because his timeline and age probably does not align with the other players.

I think that is why I would want JJ or Isaac as that probably means keeping Bledsoe which means a much better team in 2017/18. I would take Ball and trade Bledsoe. Or if the Lakers are dangling Russell after drafting Ball, would they take a pick acquired for Bledsoe

And I like Iguodala - but if the dollars are close - he is on the perfect team for his skillset and what he brings.
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Post#488 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:29 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Well, Curry signing $205 million deal over 5 year, Celtics the primary threat to sign Blake Griffin and Mavs want to sign Jrue and and Justin Holiday...all up in wiretaps. I wonder who the Mavs targets are in the draft. I wonder if they'd still draft a guy like Ntilikina and sign Jrue..probably since Ntilikina is so raw, and would take a while to develop anyway. Or they may hope Markkanen slides, though Dirk said he thought they would look elsewhere in draft.


I think Markkanen is the guy on the top of their list. He is very Dirk like, and who better to mentor him for the next year or two than the man himself. Honestly it reminds me of the Spurs drafting a very Mr. Robinson like Tim Duncan and David teaching him not just his patented moves but the way of the NBA.
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Post#489 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:34 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Well, Curry signing $205 million deal over 5 year, Celtics the primary threat to sign Blake Griffin and Mavs want to sign Jrue and and Justin Holiday...all up in wiretaps. I wonder who the Mavs targets are in the draft. I wonder if they'd still draft a guy like Ntilikina and sign Jrue..probably since Ntilikina is so raw, and would take a while to develop anyway. Or they may hope Markkanen slides, though Dirk said he thought they would look elsewhere in draft.


I think Markkanen is the guy on the top of their list. He is very Dirk like, and who better to mentor him for the next year or two than the man himself. Honestly it reminds me of the Spurs drafting a very Mr. Robinson like Tim Duncan and David teaching him not just his patented moves but the way of the NBA.


I always compared him to Dirk too, but I was surprised to hear Dirk say he thought they'd look elsewhere in draft as if he knew something.
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Post#490 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:38 pm

Someone brought up a Shumpert for Knight trade... you know what I really like that idea. Hell I would even be willing to take the last year of Fry's deal in that trade if the insisted. It actually makes some sense for Cleveland as it would give them another ball handler off the bench and while knight is paid well they are in all out win mode without a ton of other options to get better so might be worth a gamble. If the suns took Fry it would also give Cleveland a trade exemption that could be valuable as the look for a wing defender.

For the suns it would all be about clearing knighs salary but Shump and Fry could also provide some of that "vet leadership" they like talking about without jamming up their cap sheet with long term contracts. By the summer of 2019 they would have all the dead weight off their books and that's right about when the young guys should be hitting their stride.
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Post#491 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:50 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Someone brought up a Shumpert for Knight trade... you know what I really like that idea. Hell I would even be willing to take the last year of Fry's deal in that trade if the insisted. It actually makes some sense for Cleveland as it would give them another ball handler off the bench and while knight is paid well they are in all out win mode without a ton of other options to get better so might be worth a gamble. If the suns took Fry it would also give Cleveland a trade exemption that could be valuable as the look for a wing defender.

For the suns it would all be about clearing knighs salary but Shump and Fry could also provide some of that "vet leadership" they like talking about without jamming up their cap sheet with long term contracts. By the summer of 2019 they would have all the dead weight off their books and that's right about when the young guys should be hitting their stride.


We'd have to take Frye, but there is no way we could find a better trade than that if they'd do it. I wouldn't really want Knight if I was the Cavs or LeBron and I don't think they really need another ball handler as long as they stagger Kyrie and LeBron, and if they keep Deron Williams or if he signs for the minimum or something they definitely wouldn't need him.

Shump's a decent defender and Frye has had some good games for them so I don't know that they'd do it, but if they were convinced Knight could be a good spot up shooter, who knows? You don't want him handling the ball too much though..they need ball movement or the ball in Kyrie/LeBron's hands.

But yeah, it's a great idea if they'd consider it.
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Post#492 » by BobbieL » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:21 am

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Someone brought up a Shumpert for Knight trade... you know what I really like that idea. Hell I would even be willing to take the last year of Fry's deal in that trade if the insisted. It actually makes some sense for Cleveland as it would give them another ball handler off the bench and while knight is paid well they are in all out win mode without a ton of other options to get better so might be worth a gamble. If the suns took Fry it would also give Cleveland a trade exemption that could be valuable as the look for a wing defender.

For the suns it would all be about clearing knighs salary but Shump and Fry could also provide some of that "vet leadership" they like talking about without jamming up their cap sheet with long term contracts. By the summer of 2019 they would have all the dead weight off their books and that's right about when the young guys should be hitting their stride.


We'd have to take Frye, but there is no way we could find a better trade than that if they'd do it. I wouldn't really want Knight if I was the Cavs or LeBron and I don't think they really need another ball handler as long as they stagger Kyrie and LeBron, and if they keep Deron Williams or if he signs for the minimum or something they definitely wouldn't need him.

Shump's a decent defender and Frye has had some good games for them so I don't know that they'd do it, but if they were convinced Knight could be a good spot up shooter, who knows? You don't want him handling the ball too much though..they need ball movement or the ball in Kyrie/LeBron's hands.

But yeah, it's a great idea if they'd consider it.


I think this was my idea. Thanks for the props. But like you said Cavs are in win now mode - Knight is going to be moved for a bad contract at least Shumpert is one year less and does provide defense - which the team needs with Ulis off the bench.

Frye is interesting - because like you said it creates a trade exception but how about this

Yesterday I mentioned Thompson and Shumpert for Knight and Chandler

What about this one - especially if they don't bring back Bogut and Frye is out of the rotation:

Chandler and Knight for Shumpert, Frye and than ask Derrick Williams if he wants to sign with phoenix for 3/16m with the first year the only one guaranteed for the exact amount of the cap needed for the numbers. I think its about 4.5m . Its the Keith Van Horn Aaron McKie type deal

Shumpert rolls off a year before Knight
Frye rolls off a year before Chandler

Granted, if you can find a better deal for Chandler take it but its probably going to be an expiring type deal

Suns get cap space; Cavs get guys that can help them win now.

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Re: 2017 Offseason Speculation, Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 

Post#493 » by starbosa10 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:19 am

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bwgood77 wrote:Well, Curry signing $205 million deal over 5 year, Celtics the primary threat to sign Blake Griffin and Mavs want to sign Jrue and and Justin Holiday...all up in wiretaps. I wonder who the Mavs targets are in the draft. I wonder if they'd still draft a guy like Ntilikina and sign Jrue..probably since Ntilikina is so raw, and would take a while to develop anyway. Or they may hope Markkanen slides, though Dirk said he thought they would look elsewhere in draft.


Eric Bledsoe for the 9th overall pick might be good for the Mavs - IF, the Suns draft a point guard at 4. That means Ball

I really don't understand trading back with the Kings for 5 and 10. As that means a young PG and Forward type. Well, does that mean Bledsoe is on the block for a pick. Suns do not need three top 10 picks. The Bledsoe for pick is only because his timeline and age probably does not align with the other players.

I think that is why I would want JJ or Isaac as that probably means keeping Bledsoe which means a much better team in 2017/18. I would take Ball and trade Bledsoe. Or if the Lakers are dangling Russell after drafting Ball, would they take a pick acquired for Bledsoe

And I like Iguodala - but if the dollars are close - he is on the perfect team for his skillset and what he brings.

If we went Tatum or Isaac at 5 and Collins at 10 we wouldn't necessarily need to trade Bled, at least not yet ( could hold til deadline)

could go with this 5 to start and bring the rooks off the bench with Ulis and Sauce
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Post#494 » by Jdiddy701 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:02 am

Kinda random and I am kinda bored.

If Suns offered the 4th pick for Cousins, would Pelicans accept that? Would we?


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Post#495 » by DirtyDez » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:47 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Kinda random and I am kinda bored.

If Suns offered the 4th pick for Cousins, would Pelicans accept that? Would we?


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The Suns will win a lot more games next year and look attractive to FA's. Cousins will be our #1 target given the UK friendships. Tons of young talent and a top-3 big going forward. Sign me up.
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Post#496 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:53 am

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Kinda random and I am kinda bored.

If Suns offered the 4th pick for Cousins, would Pelicans accept that? Would we?


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The Suns will win a lot more games next year and look attractive to FA's. Cousins will be our #1 target given the UK friendships. Tons of young talent and a top-3 big going forward. Sign me up.


As for the original question, the Pelicans definitely wouldn't, and there is no real reason we should either. As Dez mentioned, we can sign him anyway in free agency if he wants to be here in 2018, whether or not we trade a pick for him. If he doesn't want to be here, we will have thrown away a pick if we made the trade and they somehow did accept it.
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Post#497 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:20 am

Lakers 2018:

Ball, Wade, George, Carmelo, LeBron
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Post#498 » by BobbieL » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:46 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Lakers 2018:

Ball, Wade, George, Carmelo, LeBron


and they won't win

Lebron wants to win again - call the Pacres about Love for George

Suns for Knight/Chandler for my deal - I think they would handle the Warriors a lot better
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Post#499 » by Frank Lee » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:15 pm

stop it with the Knight trade talk.... you have to take bad to get rid of bad. At least Knight is a known 'bad'. Besides he doesn't impact our ability to sign anyone really. If it came down to it, meaning signing a dude like Hayward, McD could move Knight somewhere by attaching a miami pick. Who wouldn't trade Knight and a first for hayward???

No way I move Chandler to move Knight, unless it is a straight up request from Tyson.
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Post#500 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:47 pm

OK. Assume we draft Tatum.

DEN In: TJ Warren, Eric Bledsoe, #53, TOR 2d '18
DEN Out: Gary Harris, Jameer Nelson, Will Barton, #13

PHX In: Gary Harris, Jameer Nelson, Will Barton, #13
PHX Out: TJ Warren, Eric Bledsoe, #53, TOR 2d '18

What say ye?

[Livingston]/Ulis/Nelson
Booker/Harris/(Knight)
Tatum/Barton/DJJ
Chriss/Bender/Dudley
(Chandler)/Williams/[Collins, Allen, Patton]

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