Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[Mr B]

Sounds like the Sixers are willing to trade back to the top of the lottery. I wonder if we should try to trade up to #3 to guarantee we get the PG of the future. It seems like the Lakers are vacillating between Lonzo or Josh Jackson, which means Fox would be there at 3.

That is not likely to happen however if it did and the Lakers took Jackson then Ball and Fox would be sitting there for the Mavs. I think I'd take Ball over Fox.

[2011Champs]

Dallas is exploring making an offer to Jrue Holiday making me wonder if Dallas thinks they will be drafting a forward or center.

[Mr B]

Dallas is exploring making an offer to Jrue Holiday making me wonder if Dallas thinks they will be drafting a forward or center.

I've read (can't remember where) that they are considering drafting a big man (my guess is Collins). I think that's only if they can't land a PG in the draft. That has nothing to do with Jrue Holiday though. I said before that I think they plan on adding a young vet PG even if they do draft a PG. Ntilikina and DSJ are not ready to start (especially Ntilikina). So even if they draft one of those guys they will still need a guy who can step in and start. They still plan on putting a competitive team on the floor and they won't be very competitive with a rookie PG starting for them.

[Yennefer]

I hope this is fake. Cuban and Donnie should really know that there is no point in signing veterans.

[Pinkyring]

I hope this is fake. Cuban and Donnie should really know that there is no point in signing veterans.

I think its real especially if matthews is dumped but u cant have all young guys plus jrue and guy like teague are 26 or just turned 27 so they are only a year older than barnes its not like we are pursuing 30 year olds that'd be a disaster.

[JamesConway]

Dallas is exploring making an offer to Jrue Holiday making me wonder if Dallas thinks they will be drafting a forward or center.

2013: #18 Larkin, a few days later we signed Jose Calderon, brought back Devin Harris, acquired Monta and also started the great Gal Mekel-experience

Therefore I don't think that Jrue-report tells an awful lot about their intentions re draft night. Maybe they have changed their mindest compared to that Larkin-year, but I'd be surprised tbqh.

Besides: the good thing about Jrue is that one of his biggest strengths is that he's so versatile on the floor. Not only does he play both ends, he's also capable of doing a variety of things on offense that make it a lot easier to build functioning lineups with him. E.g. I think him an Ntilikina would be a really good fit as both can run a PnR properly, have BBIQ/courtvision, but can also play off-ball. Imo that has a lot of appeal going forward. Imo Jrue (not taking the whole money-thing into account here) is exactly the type of player that makes sense loading up on for us: multipositional, skilled, two-way players with good size for their position(s), who work in most lineups due to their versatility to play on and off the ball and who are young enough to stick around for 3-5 years. I think Jrue fits all these molds and therefore is highly intrigueing as non-Superstar-but-high-quality-and-versatile-ish building block.

The only draftee where I'd truly say it doesn't make sense to bring Jrue in on top is probably Dennis Smith bc he's extremely ball-dominant. But in that case I'd happily pick up DSJ and start figuring out ways of how to build around such a PG effectively.

[daoneandonly]

Dallas is exploring making an offer to Jrue Holiday making me wonder if Dallas thinks they will be drafting a forward or center.

2013: #18 Larkin, a few days later we signed Jose Calderon, brought back Devin Harris, acquired Monta and also started the great Gal Mekel-experience

Therefore I don't think that Jrue-report tells an awful lot about their intentions re draft night. Maybe they have changed their mindest compared to that Larkin-year, but I'd be surprised tbqh.

Besides: the good thing about Jrue is that one of his biggest strengths is that he's so versatile on the floor. Not only does he play both ends, he's also capable of doing a variety of things on offense that make it a lot easier to build functioning lineups with him. E.g. I think him an Ntilikina would be a really good fit as both can run a PnR properly, have BBIQ/courtvision, but can also play off-ball. Imo that has a lot of appeal going forward. Imo Jrue (not taking the whole money-thing into account here) is exactly the type of player that makes sense loading up on for us: multipositional, skilled, two-way players with good size for their position(s), who work in most lineups due to their versatility to play on and off the ball and who are young enough to stick around for 3-5 years. I think Jrue fits all these molds and therefore is highly intrigueing as non-Superstar-but-high-quality-and-versatile-ish building block.

The only draftee where I'd truly say it doesn't make sense to bring Jrue in on top is probably Dennis Smith bc he's extremely ball-dominant. But in that case I'd happily pick up DSJ and start figuring out ways of how to build around such a PG effectively.

Agree with much of what you said here, and I think those that are familiar with my posts know my dream scenario is the bolded. Jrue is solid, but I think taking the money and injury history into account, probably best to not go that route. Unless of course the Pels for whatever reason would do a S& T with Wes Matthews along with Barea (or Curry). That won't happen though.

Nor will DSJ fall, but if he does, he needs to be the pick. If somehow DSJ and Nkinnia are there, and Cubes/Nelson takes Frank, the fanbase should be livid. You take the athlete, the BPA, the guy with explosiveness who fits much better with Noel and Barnes. At that point, get a SG that has some more playmaking/facilitating skills than Wes (Thabo, Temple, Iggy's long lost brother, etc.) and roll with that squad do or die.

[Texas Chuck]

the Jrue source is a hack so....

[JamesConway]

Via Sean Deveney:

(...) Other teams are jumping on the Kennard bandwagon. The Magic, Knicks and Mavericks will have Kennard in for workouts, too, though those teams have considered adding (or already have) picks later in the draft and could look at Kennard there. Orlando has No. 6 and 25, the Knicks have No. 8 (but have been active in searching for another pick) and Dallas has No. 9. (...)

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2017-rumors-luke-kennard-og-anunoby-frank-jackson-injury-update-first-round-workouts/1th6m4lxxnyw01xp3lltot1h8u?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Via Mike Fisher:

(...) If Dallas does not get a pass-first point guard at No. 9 … regardless of a trade made for a vet, the Mavs will try to acquire one later in this draft.

This is a very specific movement from inside Mavs HQ: There will be Mavs execs pushing to get back into the late first/second hoping to get their hands on a name like Jawun Evans, Edmund Summer, Kobi Simmons and a guy I have an affinity for, 6-5 Derrick White of Colorado. (...)

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/story/1784634-mavs-donuts-gameplan-on-isaac-vs-ntilikina


When it comes to the draft I usually expect next to nothing from the Mavs, but I would by lying if I said that reports like these aren't getting my hopes up at least a tiny bit...





Edit: and we'll attend the Dennis Smith-workout:

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[Mr B]

I hope this is fake. Cuban and Donnie should really know that there is no point in signing veterans.

Considering that they are not going into full tank mode and they still plan on competing for a playoff spot there absolutely is a reason to sign young vets. If you have nothing but really young raw players you end up with a team like the Sixers. They've sucked for how long? You need vets to help teach the young guys. Noel is a perfect example. He came to Dallas with a lot of bad habits (according to Dirk). He spent 4 years in a losing culture. He will need to break those habits before he can reach his full potential.

[Pinkyring]

I think the only way we get back in the late first early second is moving seth which im cool with. If we came out the draft with any combo of isaac smith nkilina evans id be happy. Issac and evans would really make me happy

[daoneandonly]

Not sure if its true or what it means, but there are reports that Issac won't work out for any team outside the top 4, leading many to believe he's been promised by one of those teams (likely the Suns) that they'll take him.

[JamesConway]

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That means (assuming reports are right about Minny locked in on Markkanen), we will be able to choose between Smith and Monk

[Pinkyring]

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[Mr B]

Believe nothing isola says ever

Everything I've been reading and hearing says that the Phil Jackson is enamored with Ntilikina. He views him as a perfect fit for the triangle. Ntilikina has also recently said that he would love to play for the Knicks and that the he believes he's a perfect fit for the triangle because it's basically the same system he plays in on his current team.

As for Minnesota locking in on Markkanen, I'm not so sure about that. He would be a perfect fit for them though. He's a perfect compliment to KAT. They would have to keep Rubio though (which is also a good idea in my opinion). I think Isaac would also be a good fit for them.

[Devassa]

Been reading a lot of buzz on Kennard or Ntilikina being locked in to New York at 8. That means we have a very real shot at Isaac, Smith, or Monk... Preferred in that order IMHO

Regardless though it's a great spot to be in if those 3 guys are what we get to choose from

[daoneandonly]

Been reading a lot of buzz on Kennard or Ntilikina being locked in to New York at 8. That means we have a very real shot at Isaac, Smith, or Monk... Preferred in that order IMHO

Regardless though it's a great spot to be in if those 3 guys are what we get to choose from

Yes, though I'm not sure Issac may be there. Just conjecture at this point, but there are rumors he won't work out for any team outside the top 4, leading some to believe one of those teams made him a promise.

[Devassa]

Been reading a lot of buzz on Kennard or Ntilikina being locked in to New York at 8. That means we have a very real shot at Isaac, Smith, or Monk... Preferred in that order IMHO

Regardless though it's a great spot to be in if those 3 guys are what we get to choose from

Yes, though I'm not sure Issac may be there. Just conjecture at this point, but there are rumors he won't work out for any team outside the top 4, leading some to believe one of those teams made him a promise.

I guess Phoenix makes sense for him, though I'm not sure he is actually better than any of the original projected top 4 (Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum).

[daoneandonly]

Been reading a lot of buzz on Kennard or Ntilikina being locked in to New York at 8. That means we have a very real shot at Isaac, Smith, or Monk... Preferred in that order IMHO

Regardless though it's a great spot to be in if those 3 guys are what we get to choose from

Yes, though I'm not sure Issac may be there. Just conjecture at this point, but there are rumors he won't work out for any team outside the top 4, leading some to believe one of those teams made him a promise.

I guess Phoenix makes sense for him, though I'm not sure he is actually better than any of the original projected top 4 (Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum).

I think his versatility puts him ahead of Tatum in my book, and I can even see an argument with jackson given his shooting deficiencies. I do think the top 3 will be fultz-ball-jackson, but if the next ones are issac-fox-tatum, that puts us in a great position if NYK are zeroing in on Frank, we'd just have to hope Minny does not draft another PG.