Holiday Leaving?!- Mavs Become Frontrunners To Sign BOTH Holidays!

[GEOLINK]

Thank God!

Take those losers. I hate Holliday's face and don't want him near the Knicks anymore for being trash and being a hero in that last game of the season.

No need for his inconsistent shooting.

[DaKnicksAreBack]

Laughable. $8 mil is more than reasonable.

Possibly, however I would rather save the cap space on adding difference makers. JH is average to below average in everything except free throws and defense, and his D isn't great. Bottom line is we're a bad team without him and a bad team with him, so why is it a must that we pony up the big bucks to sign him?

He’s a plus contributor on both ends of the floor. One of the more efficient scorers on the team last year, could get out in transition and was actually part of the few net positive lineups we had last year. He’s the definition of a role player that you want on your team as you build a foundation.

And he’s 27, not 32 so he’ll productive throughout that contract. We have to forget about star FAs and build within, acquiring assets along the way. That cap space can also be used to take on bad contracts with picks attached to them. Continuity matters and he’s a guy you want to bring back.

Yeah I don't consider him an efficient scorer and with him being 27 there's really not that much more upside we're going to see from him. I dont think he's a scrub, he seeems like a good guy, I just not desperate to bring him back. Continuity matters once there's success to build on. Being that we haven't had success with the players on our team it only makes sense that we make moves. I guess it boils down to the fact that you and I disagree as to how good holiday is. I don't think it's imperative to sign a player that I think has very little impact on the fortunes of a team. You probably think he's more of an impact player.

[Knickkilla]

Hey, I was reading the max we can give Justin Holiday is 8 mill, but is that true? I thought we had his bird rights?

[magnumt]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246255/Mavericks-Interested-In-Signing-Both-Jrue-Holiday-Justin-Holiday

Mavericks Interested In Signing Both Jrue Holiday, Justin Holiday
JUN 14, 2017 2:48 PM



The Dallas Mavericks are serious contenders to sign both Jrue Holiday and Justin Holiday in free agency.

The Holiday brothers have strong interest in playing together.

Jrue Holiday is coming off a four-year, $41 million extension he signed in 2012 with the Philadelphia 76ers. Holiday was traded to the New Orleans Pelicans in 2013.

Justin Holiday will be a free agent after appearing in all 82 games last season for the New York Knicks.

--Mags

I can't blame them

its a good move

perhaps we can take Wes Mathews off their hands

Ill send them a resigned Holiday and Lee for Mathews and Noel!

I'd need SOME kind of pick in that scenario.

--Mags

[rajajackal]

idk what the percentages are, but i feel like most times i saw justin holiday take a shot i could be confident it would go in, and it usually did

[RHODEY]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246255/Mavericks-Interested-In-Signing-Both-Jrue-Holiday-Justin-Holiday

Mavericks Interested In Signing Both Jrue Holiday, Justin Holiday
JUN 14, 2017 2:48 PM



The Dallas Mavericks are serious contenders to sign both Jrue Holiday and Justin Holiday in free agency.

The Holiday brothers have strong interest in playing together.

Jrue Holiday is coming off a four-year, $41 million extension he signed in 2012 with the Philadelphia 76ers. Holiday was traded to the New Orleans Pelicans in 2013.

Justin Holiday will be a free agent after appearing in all 82 games last season for the New York Knicks.

--Mags

[dakomish23]

If you suffered through watching the majority of least season, you’d know holiday was our most consistent performer on both ends, and re-signing him is a top priority.

Yeah, I was counting on him being a core piece. This sucks.

[dakomish23]

EARLY BIRD RIGHTS NOT BIRD RIGHTS

Think LFT

[br7knicks]

If you suffered through watching the majority of least season, you’d know holiday was our most consistent performer on both ends, and re-signing him is a top priority.

i don't think top, but it should be way up high on the priority list.

to me, drafting well is #1. finding a way to unload noah is #2 (i know, won't happen). getting a good return on melo should be #3.

[Clyde Frazier]

Possibly, however I would rather save the cap space on adding difference makers. JH is average to below average in everything except free throws and defense, and his D isn't great. Bottom line is we're a bad team without him and a bad team with him, so why is it a must that we pony up the big bucks to sign him?

He’s a plus contributor on both ends of the floor. One of the more efficient scorers on the team last year, could get out in transition and was actually part of the few net positive lineups we had last year. He’s the definition of a role player that you want on your team as you build a foundation.

And he’s 27, not 32 so he’ll productive throughout that contract. We have to forget about star FAs and build within, acquiring assets along the way. That cap space can also be used to take on bad contracts with picks attached to them. Continuity matters and he’s a guy you want to bring back.

Yeah I don't consider him an efficient scorer and with him being 27 there's really not that much more upside we're going to see from him. I dont think he's a scrub, he seeems like a good guy, I just not desperate to bring him back. Continuity matters once there's success to build on. Being that we haven't had success with the players on our team it only makes sense that we make moves. I guess it boils down to the fact that you and I disagree as to how good holiday is. I don't think it's imperative to sign that I think has very little impact on the fortunes of a team. You probably think he's more of an impact player.

Just take a look at available free agents at SG/SF:

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/shooting-guard/

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/small-forward/

The pickings are slim. I don't think rolling the dice with someone else over him makes sense.

He essentially scored at league average efficiency on a team that had few playmakers looking to get others open looks. Some lineup data:

Holiday / KOQ / KP, 241 min, +7.9 points per 100 possessions

Holiday / Jennings / KP, 386 min, +6.3 per 100

Holiday / Willy / Jennings, 301 min, +4.5 per 100

etc. etc. these net positive lineups with significant minutes are few and far between. This also extends to 4 man lineups which were all over 100 minutes. Holiday is a constant in them as i’ve said. That’s visible impact.

[dakomish23]

If Knicks management had a brain they would of started Justin at SF, moved Melo KP to 4/5 and resemble the modern NBA.

But they don't so we didn't.

[Thugger HBC]

Justin is a backup player, no sleep lost at all if true.

[dakomish23]

7.7 PPG
2.7 RPG
1.2 APG
0.8 SPG
0.4 BPG
43% FG
36% 3PT
83% FT

In 20 MPG at 28

4 years 30 mil should keep him. You could go over the cap using the Eary Bird rights. Lord know this dumb franchise will settle for mediocre FA signings but use every ounce of space they have.

Sickening

[Greenie]

we have his bird rights. If the Mavs give him $15M a year, then let him go

If the Mavs give him 10, let him go.

[Greenie]

we have his bird rights. If the Mavs give him $8 a year, then let him go

FIFY

Me and you are >< right now

[Capn'O]

PJax didn't mention Justin much in his presser so I guess I'm not surprised. He was a guy that I wanted to resign for the right price.

OP also missed some great Dad Pun titles.

"Holidays in Texas?"
"PJax sleeps and loses a Holiday"
"Leaving for the Holidays"
"Mavs get 2 for 1 Holiday Deal?"

and so on...

[Greenie]

If you suffered through watching the majority of least season, you’d know holiday was our most consistent performer on both ends, and re-signing him is a top priority.

Yeah, I was counting on him being a core piece. This sucks.

A core piece, on a rebuilding team, at age 28?

[DOT]

He's probably worth 10 - 12 mil, not a terrible starter, one of our best off-ball cutters last year, dude didn't stop moving

In my world, we trade Melo for best trade available, trade Lee for Rubio, we'd need a wing starter for at least a year or two until we draft someone, so 3 years 40 million

Rubio
#8 pick
Holiday
KP
Willy

Nice and young, pretty bad too so we get a good pick

[Clyde Frazier]

If you suffered through watching the majority of least season, you’d know holiday was our most consistent performer on both ends, and re-signing him is a top priority.

Yeah, I was counting on him being a core piece. This sucks.

A core piece, on a rebuilding team, at age 28?

You can't have a team entirely of players with little to no NBA experience. There's a reason lee was actually a reasonable signing for us. Think of holiday as a younger version of that who will still be in his prime 3 seasons from now.

[thebuzzardman]

He’s a plus contributor on both ends of the floor. One of the more efficient scorers on the team last year, could get out in transition and was actually part of the few net positive lineups we had last year. He’s the definition of a role player that you want on your team as you build a foundation.

And he’s 27, not 32 so he’ll productive throughout that contract. We have to forget about star FAs and build within, acquiring assets along the way. That cap space can also be used to take on bad contracts with picks attached to them. Continuity matters and he’s a guy you want to bring back.

Yeah I don't consider him an efficient scorer and with him being 27 there's really not that much more upside we're going to see from him. I dont think he's a scrub, he seeems like a good guy, I just not desperate to bring him back. Continuity matters once there's success to build on. Being that we haven't had success with the players on our team it only makes sense that we make moves. I guess it boils down to the fact that you and I disagree as to how good holiday is. I don't think it's imperative to sign that I think has very little impact on the fortunes of a team. You probably think he's more of an impact player.

Just take a look at available free agents at SG/SF:

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/shooting-guard/

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/small-forward/

The pickings are slim. I don't think rolling the dice with someone else over him makes sense.

He essentially scored at league average efficiency on a team that had few playmakers looking to get others open looks. Some lineup data:

Holiday / KOQ / KP, 241 min, +7.9 points per 100 possessions

Holiday / Jennings / KP, 386 min, +6.3 per 100

Holiday / Willy / Jennings, 301 min, +4.5 per 100

etc. etc. these net positive lineups with significant minutes are few and far between. This also extends to 4 man lineups which were all over 100 minutes. Holiday is a constant in them as i’ve said. That’s visible impact.

I don't even need stats to tell me Holiday was a fairly complete, decent player, if not great.

Good outside shooter
Willing cutter and good at moving without the ball
Could dribble drive some
Good and willing defender
Some ball hawking skills
Could handle both SF and SG (some versatility)

I mean, it's sort of the Walsh quote, where a player is good at one price and not at another. I wouldn't want to overpay for Holiday to keep him, but losing him would be a bit of a hit. I know watching the Knicks tends to make a fan overvalue average players, but Holiday at least seems average and would be on any team.