Draft Discussion Part 3

Post #1081 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:47 am

Kerrsed wrote:
ATTL wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:

Reminds me of Vince McMahon walking down the ramp

Yeah, I always thought of McMahon too when I saw that. So Kerrsed, you a Ball fan I guess?

wordsenuff · Post #1082 » by **wordsenuff** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:00 am

Kerrsed wrote:

Post #1083 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:01 am

The case for Jonathan Isaac

From someone in Florida who watched him closely.

RaisingArizona · Post #1084 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:13 am

Warriors Fan 44 wrote:Lol look at how excited you all are about your 4th pick. You guys just draft busts anyway so why even bother? How many years since you even sniffed the playoffs? It's completely deplorable.

Compare that to the mighty Warriors we drafted Curry at 7, Klay at 11 and Draymond at 35. That is how you draft children, and we are gonna be champs for a long time. Len at 5 lol Bender at 4, I can't wait to see which scrub ya'll draft next, should be a good laugh.

This user has been dealt with.

You have to be RocketsMan44

carey · Post #1085 » by **carey** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:14 am

Anyone think we'd be talking about Anunoby at #4 if he weren't injured?

carey · Post #1086 » by **carey** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:14 am

bwgood77 wrote:The case for Jonathan Isaac

From someone in Florida who watched him closely.

I'm going to read this with an open mind. I still think he has the biggest bust potential of all the Tier 2 guys.

carey · Post #1087 » by **carey** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:27 am

Interesting read. What kind of asset would Orlando give up to move from #6 to #4 to ensure Isaac is there? Would they take Knight off our hands in exchange for say Vucevic? Philly then takes Fox and we get Tatum.

Bledsoe-Ulis
Booker-#32
Tatum-Warren
Chriss-Bender
Chandler-Vucevic

I like that team quite a bit. Especially the bench.

YouTube · Post #1088 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:31 am

bwgood77 wrote:Yeah, I always thought of McMahon too when I saw that. So Kerrsed, you a Ball fan I guess?

Not at all.

Ive been against him since day one.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUT........... I think the previous reports are correct and we have him as our #1 player in the draft (above Fultz), and am also pretty damn sure that if he is on the board still, he will be our pick.

I dont like his shot. Its slow and ugly. Sure he got away with it in college, but i dont see how he keeps it up against NBA level defenders. No midrange game at all. Very predictable at the rim as well. Was able to take advantage of his height while defending college point guards, many of them who are under 6 feet tall (6-8 inch height difference). Add in his puke of a father, and i know everyone talks about how he isnt his father, but.....yeah, Ball has gone right with alot of the BS his dad has been talking, even saying that he himself would beat Jordan one on one if they played against each other tomorrow). Makes me nervous how everywhere he is, his dad is lurking in the background, like his evil shadow....or a sith lord.

Add in all the "Lakers only" talk and yada yada yada....

I dont like Ball. I dont trust Ball. I dont want Ball.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut.......with all that being said, if he is still on the board with Fultz/Jackson/Tatum gone, i feel like you HAVE to take him.

itlnsunsfan · Post #1089 » by **itlnsunsfan** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:40 am

Some people are grammar police, some are spelling police. I'm the number police. His postings of Fox and Kidd-Gilchrist's freethrow and 3 point %'s are incorrectly written. Otherwise, nice piece.

Post #1090 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:40 am

Kerrsed wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Yeah, I always thought of McMahon too when I saw that. So Kerrsed, you a Ball fan I guess?

Not at all.

Ive been against him since day one.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUT........... I think the previous reports are correct and we have him as our #1 player in the draft (above Fultz), and am also pretty damn sure that if he is on the board still, he will be our pick.

I dont like his shot. Its slow and ugly. Sure he got away with it in college, but i dont see how he keeps it up against NBA level defenders. No midrange game at all. Very predictable at the rim as well. Was able to take advantage of his height while defending college point guards, many of them who are under 6 feet tall (6-8 inch height difference). Add in his puke of a father, and i know everyone talks about how he isnt his father, but.....yeah, Ball has gone right with alot of the BS his dad has been talking, even saying that he himself would beat Jordan one on one if they played against each other tomorrow). Makes me nervous how everywhere he is, his dad is lurking in the background, like his evil shadow....or a sith lord.

Add in all the "Lakers only" talk and yada yada yada....

I dont like Ball. I dont trust Ball. I dont want Ball.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut.......with all that being said, if he is still on the board with Fultz/Jackson/Tatum gone, i feel like you HAVE to take him.

I'd take him begrudingly

Zelaznyrules · Post #1091 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:43 am

carey wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:The case for Jonathan Isaac

From someone in Florida who watched him closely.

I'm going to read this with an open mind. I still think he has the biggest bust potential of all the Tier 2 guys.

I did too until I read the comments from his college coach. I know they play the PR game with some of their exiting players but after reading Hamilton I expect Isaac has a very good chance to become the best player in this class.

GoblinytE · Post #1092 » by **GoblinytE** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:19 am

Ball-Jackson-Isaac...any of them and Im good. If its Ball...ill miss ya Bled,thanks for the great year and a nightmare of a contract negotiation. If its Jackson...I see Warren being used to unload B.Knight,whats up Orlando! If its Isaac...his climb and draft coverage reminds me of Chriss's last year. Crazy, a week from manana we will know..exciting! ..side-note: Add a black fro/stache to Lavar..any resemblance to Hercule/Mr. Satan from DBZ?...mmm I guess its just me.

gaspar · Post #1093 » by **gaspar** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:48 am

sunsbum wrote:Ball is so perfect for this team. If we added Ball and Collins I don't know what I'd do.

I know what I would do:

gaspar · Post #1094 » by **gaspar** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:52 am

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-mini-kevin-durant-jonathan-isaac-has-the-nba-drafts-highest-ceiling/

Clapping on the bench.... well we know who earl "were tracking high fives" Watson wants the suns to select

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Yeah, I don't really see what there is about him not to like. I feel if we pass on him there is a good chance he IS that guy that ends up being the next talent that people passed up on like Giannis or Kawhi. I like Tatum ok and think he is safe, but I think Isaac will be a guy that may not be great at first but will be a team first guy who does everything and could be the best player on any team in the lottery within 2-3 years, with the exception of maybe Embiid and Towns.

Because it seems pretty likely that he will never average more than 12 points and 2 assists per game. He would have to be elite at everything else to be worth drafting at #4 in this draft. I love his defense, but his BBIQ on the offensive end is a huge concern for me.

AtheJ415 · Post #1095 » by **AtheJ415** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:06 am

gaspar wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Clapping on the bench.... well we know who earl "were tracking high fives" Watson wants the suns to select

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Yeah, I don't really see what there is about him not to like. I feel if we pass on him there is a good chance he IS that guy that ends up being the next talent that people passed up on like Giannis or Kawhi. I like Tatum ok and think he is safe, but I think Isaac will be a guy that may not be great at first but will be a team first guy who does everything and could be the best player on any team in the lottery within 2-3 years, with the exception of maybe Embiid and Towns.

Because it seems pretty likely that he will never average more than 12 points and 2 assists per game. He would have to be elite at everything else to be worth drafting at #4 in this draft. I love his defense, but his BBIQ on the offensive end is a huge concern for me.

Lol. I have literally read advanced stat analysis that has Isaac as the most productive player starting in year 1.

Puff · Post #1096 » by **Puff** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:14 am

sunsbum wrote:Ball is so perfect for this team. If we added Ball and Collins I don't know what I'd do.

I have been holding out on my opinion, so I don't jinx us. I don't ever seem to guess right, when is comes to the draft. Although I was very pleased with last years draft as well as the pick for Booker the year before.

However I would love to see us get Ball in this draft as well as another big. I really do not care if it is Collins or Markkanen.

We need to start playing the right way. If Bledsoe is moved and we end up Ball and Ulis being our two PG's next season I think we will finally be headed in the right direction. If Alex Len is gone and replaced by either Collins or Markkanen our front court will be dramatically improved, especially in the future.

Now that I jinxed this scenario. Please make it happen.

Saberestar · Post #1097 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:29 am

Read on Twitter

Really excited about the possibility of drafting Josh Jackson. I would love Isaac too, but Jackson's floor is way higher IMO.

Ryu · Post #1098 » by **Ryu** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:43 am

carey wrote:
JMac1 wrote:NBADraft.Net has

1. Fultz
2. JJ
3. Tatum
4. Ball
5. Fox
6. Isaac
7. Smith
8. Monk

Do they base their stuff off of rumors, because we were DeAaron Fox since the lottery. This is the first change in their mock.

They are the least reliable of all the sites imo.

DraftExpress has the best reports, scouting and videos which go with that but NBADraft.net has more accurate mocks, imo.

DE still go with us picking Fox in their latest mock, even after it`s clear we are not taking him for the whole last week.

JoRain · Post #1099 » by **JoRain** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:52 am

Ryu wrote:
carey wrote:
JMac1 wrote:NBADraft.Net has

1. Fultz
2. JJ
3. Tatum
4. Ball
5. Fox
6. Isaac
7. Smith
8. Monk

Do they base their stuff off of rumors, because we were DeAaron Fox since the lottery. This is the first change in their mock.

They are the least reliable of all the sites imo.

DraftExpress has the best reports, scouting and videos which go with that but NBADraft.net has more accurate mocks, imo.

DE still go with us picking Fox in their latest mock, even after it`s clear we are not taking him for the whole last week.

DX isn't updating that often, last update was after early entry candidate withdrawal deadline. Nbadraft,net is very rarely really more accurate, especially with players selected after the lottery and 2nd round. then again, DX have posted that they are more concerned with predicting players that will be picked (and they always are in that regard) rather than specific spot they are being picked. In any case, it's all a guesswork anyway as neither of them has any inside info. DX just interviews so many more players and I guess they base their mock from info they get from those interviews.

Ryu · Post #1100 » by **Ryu** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:02 am

JoRain wrote:
Ryu wrote:
carey wrote:They are the least reliable of all the sites imo.

DraftExpress has the best reports, scouting and videos which go with that but NBADraft.net has more accurate mocks, imo.

DE still go with us picking Fox in their latest mock, even after it`s clear we are not taking him for the whole last week.

DX isn't updating that often, last update was after early entry candidate withdrawal deadline. Nbadraft,net is very rarely really more accurate, especially with players selected after the lottery and 2nd round. then again, DX have posted that they are more concerned with predicting players that will be picked (and they always are in that regard) rather than specific spot they are being picked. In any case, it's all a guesswork anyway as neither of them has any inside info. DX just interviews so many more players and I guess they base their mock from info they get from those interviews.

They updated their mock couple of hours ago. The Suns, they are still taking Fox according to DX.

Who would you rather have, Jackson or Tatum?