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Post#241 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:22 pm

He has a bit of Pierce to him. Paul developed his ball handling and passing over the years and never averaged more than 2.6apg in college. I honestly think he is being slept on a bit and that he should be in the consideration for the best player in this draft class. People are swinging too far the opposite direction when it comes to iso players, from overvalued to undervalued. And Tatum can score outside isolation, his offensive feel for the game is just years ahead of his age.
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Post#242 » by 916fan » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:26 pm

He reminds me of a slower Jeff Green. I think he could become a better scorer though.
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Post#243 » by TheSuzerain » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:27 pm

If he's a slower Jeff Green, then he should probably go undrafted because Jeff Green sucks.
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Post#244 » by EvanZ » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:32 pm

916fan wrote:He reminds me of a slower Jeff Green. I think he could become a better scorer though.


He's somewhere between Harrison Barnes and Carmelo Anthony. Which is to say, a player I will hate with all my passion.
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Post#245 » by No-Man » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:53 pm

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916fan wrote:He reminds me of a slower Jeff Green. I think he could become a better scorer though.


He's somewhere between Harrison Barnes and Carmelo Anthony. Which is to say, a player I will hate with all my passion.

He is more Joe Johnson if he pans out
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Post#246 » by mattao313 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:38 pm

Wilfried wrote:He reminds physically at Tobias Harris, that's true. But his style of play reminds me also of Paul Pierce

Nah Tobias Harris has more bounce to him Tatum looks stuck to the ground most of the time.
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Post#247 » by Ettorefm » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:52 pm

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Wilfried wrote:He reminds physically at Tobias Harris, that's true. But his style of play reminds me also of Paul Pierce

Nah Tobias Harris has more bounce to him Tatum looks stuck to the ground most of the time.


Tobias is the closest comparison IMHO. Of course they're not the same, no two players are equal

He's going to score more than Harris, for sure. And 15 years ago he would be valued as a star. But right now, I don't think he's that valuable.

I know they're not even close regarding skillset, but I feel the same way about tatum that I feel about Jahlil Okafor. They were born too late. Both skillsets and styles are interesting and rare, but exactly what the league is getting rid off.
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Post#248 » by Wilfried » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:01 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
Wilfried wrote:He reminds physically at Tobias Harris, that's true. But his style of play reminds me also of Paul Pierce

Nah Tobias Harris has more bounce to him Tatum looks stuck to the ground most of the time.


Tobias is the closest comparison IMHO. Of course they're not the same, no two players are equal

He's going to score more than Harris, for sure. And 15 years ago he would be valued as a star. But right now, I don't think he's that valuable.

I know they're not even close regarding skillset, but I feel the same way about tatum that I feel about Jahlil Okafor. They were born too late. Both skillsets and styles are interesting and rare, but exactly what the league is getting rid off.


A skillset is never 'out of date'. You just need to be very good at 1 thing (if you're not a 2-way player). Zach Randolph is a good example. Not a good defender, nor shooter, but 1 of the best inside scorers and rebounders ever. Very efficient.
And Memphis fared pretty well with him.

Although you could also say he was born too late, but he translated to the NBA.

If Tatum is a good defender and decent passer, he will become a nice player because he seems to have a natural instinct to play ball and can become a very efficient and versatile scorer.
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Post#249 » by reanimator » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:47 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:He has a bit of Pierce to him. Paul developed his ball handling and passing over the years and never averaged more than 2.6apg in college. I honestly think he is being slept on a bit and that he should be in the consideration for the best player in this draft class. People are swinging too far the opposite direction when it comes to iso players, from overvalued to undervalued. And Tatum can score outside isolation, his offensive feel for the game is just years ahead of his age.


If you have a Ray Allen and KG to put next to him then sure take him.

BTW he has nowhere near the shooting versatility of Pierce.

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Post#250 » by mattao313 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:56 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
Wilfried wrote:He reminds physically at Tobias Harris, that's true. But his style of play reminds me also of Paul Pierce

Nah Tobias Harris has more bounce to him Tatum looks stuck to the ground most of the time.


Tobias is the closest comparison IMHO. Of course they're not the same, no two players are equal

He's going to score more than Harris, for sure. And 15 years ago he would be valued as a star. But right now, I don't think he's that valuable.

I know they're not even close regarding skillset, but I feel the same way about tatum that I feel about Jahlil Okafor. They were born too late. Both skillsets and styles are interesting and rare, but exactly what the league is getting rid off.

I would say he's closer to Gallanari without the 3pt shot. Big SF below average vertical athleticism that lives at the line.
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Post#251 » by The_Hater » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:05 pm

Wilfried wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:
mattao313 wrote:Nah Tobias Harris has more bounce to him Tatum looks stuck to the ground most of the time.


Tobias is the closest comparison IMHO. Of course they're not the same, no two players are equal

He's going to score more than Harris, for sure. And 15 years ago he would be valued as a star. But right now, I don't think he's that valuable.

I know they're not even close regarding skillset, but I feel the same way about tatum that I feel about Jahlil Okafor. They were born too late. Both skillsets and styles are interesting and rare, but exactly what the league is getting rid off.


A skillset is never 'out of date'. You just need to be very good at 1 thing (if you're not a 2-way player). Zach Randolph is a good example. Not a good defender, nor shooter, but 1 of the best inside scorers and rebounders ever. Very efficient.
And Memphis fared pretty well with him.
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Skill sets can definitely go 'out of date'. The league has has changed drastically in the past 15 years making many big man skills less in demand and many small man skills more in demand.
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Post#252 » by Worm Guts » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:15 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
Wilfried wrote:He reminds physically at Tobias Harris, that's true. But his style of play reminds me also of Paul Pierce

Nah Tobias Harris has more bounce to him Tatum looks stuck to the ground most of the time.


Tobias is the closest comparison IMHO. Of course they're not the same, no two players are equal

He's going to score more than Harris, for sure. And 15 years ago he would be valued as a star. But right now, I don't think he's that valuable.

I know they're not even close regarding skillset, but I feel the same way about tatum that I feel about Jahlil Okafor. They were born too late. Both skillsets and styles are interesting and rare, but exactly what the league is getting rid off.


What's out of date about it?
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Post#253 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:15 pm

fultz, smith, tatum will be the best players out of this draft
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Post#254 » by dukes_wild » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:42 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:fultz, smith, tatum will be the best players out of this draft
IMO

As a Duke fan, I sadly disagree with Tatum being in that category.

He's Tobias Harris all over again. Good player who given the fact can do a lot of things and has very few flaws will likely always have a starting SF or PF spot somewhere, but there's nothing he's exceptionally good at besides being a good mid range scorer, which unless you can get to the FT line 8+ times a game like DeRozan or Butler, it's just not an effective form of offense anymore
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Post#255 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:50 pm

dukes_wild wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:fultz, smith, tatum will be the best players out of this draft
IMO

As a Duke fan, I sadly disagree with Tatum being in that category.

He's Tobias Harris all over again. Good player who given the fact can do a lot of things and has very few flaws will likely always have a starting SF or PF spot somewhere, but there's nothing he's exceptionally good at besides being a good mid range scorer, which unless you can get to the FT line 8+ times a game like DeRozan or Butler, it's just not an effective form of offense anymore


I think he has the potential to become more of a 3pt threat than he was at Duke. His FT% was 85% on ~5 FTAs/g, so I'm optimistic.
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Post#256 » by Prez » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:38 pm

dukes_wild wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:fultz, smith, tatum will be the best players out of this draft
IMO

As a Duke fan, I sadly disagree with Tatum being in that category.

He's Tobias Harris all over again. Good player who given the fact can do a lot of things and has very few flaws will likely always have a starting SF or PF spot somewhere, but there's nothing he's exceptionally good at besides being a good mid range scorer, which unless you can get to the FT line 8+ times a game like DeRozan or Butler, it's just not an effective form of offense anymore

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Post#257 » by dukes_wild » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:49 pm

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dukes_wild wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:fultz, smith, tatum will be the best players out of this draft
IMO

As a Duke fan, I sadly disagree with Tatum being in that category.

He's Tobias Harris all over again. Good player who given the fact can do a lot of things and has very few flaws will likely always have a starting SF or PF spot somewhere, but there's nothing he's exceptionally good at besides being a good mid range scorer, which unless you can get to the FT line 8+ times a game like DeRozan or Butler, it's just not an effective form of offense anymore

Thoughts on Frank Jackson? He's one of my favorite players in this draft

Love him (my avatar might give that away)

He should have stayed another year I think, his point guard skills could have used some refining in a sophomore year.

Love his athleticism, shooting ability, relentless motor.

What worries me is that he's a prospect who's whole career could be largely dependent on the team that drafts him. From the moment he's drafted, that's when he needs to start developing his point guard skills, I don't want to see a bad team or team with poor offensive schemes draft him and develop him into a Jordan Clarkson/Austin Rivers type player. I'm not sure if he will ever become a player who can be a legitimate point guard, or if his career path will inevitably lead him into being one of those Clarkson/Rivers/Ellis type combo guards who don't really impact winning at the NBA level. Realistically, maybe somewhere in between
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Post#258 » by Prez » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:57 pm

dukes_wild wrote:
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dukes_wild wrote:As a Duke fan, I sadly disagree with Tatum being in that category.

He's Tobias Harris all over again. Good player who given the fact can do a lot of things and has very few flaws will likely always have a starting SF or PF spot somewhere, but there's nothing he's exceptionally good at besides being a good mid range scorer, which unless you can get to the FT line 8+ times a game like DeRozan or Butler, it's just not an effective form of offense anymore

Thoughts on Frank Jackson? He's one of my favorite players in this draft

Love him (my avatar might give that away)

He should have stayed another year I think, his point guard skills could have used some refining in a sophomore year.

Love his athleticism, shooting ability, relentless motor.

What worries me is that he's a prospect who's whole career could be largely dependent on the team that drafts him. From the moment he's drafted, that's when he needs to start developing his point guard skills, I don't want to see a bad team or team with poor offensive schemes draft him and develop him into a Jordan Clarkson/Austin Rivers type player. I'm not sure if he will ever become a player who can be a legitimate point guard, or if his career path will inevitably lead him into being one of those Clarkson/Rivers/Ellis type combo guards who don't really impact winning at the NBA level. Realistically, maybe somewhere in between

Good stuff. I think he'd be a great fit on the Bucks for everything you just said. All we need right now is an explosive guard who can get to the paint and finish, but also spaces the floor well. I think we have a great setting for him to kinda ease into a point guard role, where he wouldn't be thrown to the wolves immediately. With Giannis/Middleton/Brogdon taking on a lot of the playmaking burden he can start at the 1 but kinda work his way into more PG responsibility over time. But I think his attacking/shooting would translate right away, which is what we need.

As much as I hate Jason Kidd as a coach one of the few things he does well is get everyone to buy into a team concept and try their hardest on defense. The Xs and Os might suck but he gets the guys playing the right way..making the extra pass, locking down on D, not settling for bad shots, etc. I wouldn't have much fear of Jackson turning into Monta or something here.
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Post#259 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:46 pm

dukes_wild wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:fultz, smith, tatum will be the best players out of this draft
IMO

As a Duke fan, I sadly disagree with Tatum being in that category.

He's Tobias Harris all over again. Good player who given the fact can do a lot of things and has very few flaws will likely always have a starting SF or PF spot somewhere, but there's nothing he's exceptionally good at besides being a good mid range scorer, which unless you can get to the FT line 8+ times a game like DeRozan or Butler, it's just not an effective form of offense anymore

Tatum is a solid defender and good playmaker though. and the fact that his offense is already elite, he screams POTENTIAL. he could end up being pierce 2.0
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Post#260 » by CablexDeadpool » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:16 am

Wilfried wrote:
A skillset is never 'out of date'. You just need to be very good at 1 thing (if you're not a 2-way player). Zach Randolph is a good example. Not a good defender, nor shooter, but 1 of the best inside scorers and rebounders ever. Very efficient.
And Memphis fared pretty well with him.

Although you could also say he was born too late, but he translated to the NBA.

If Tatum is a good defender and decent passer, he will become a nice player because he seems to have a natural instinct to play ball and can become a very efficient and versatile scorer.


Zach Randolph is not efficient scorer. His first two years in Memphis are the only years he had a league average true shooting percentage and above average offensive rating. The value that Zach Randolph has is that he is low turnover post volume shooter and he is a great rebounder.

Jayson Tatum gotta find what he could actually good at on the pro level because no team is gonna let him iso and chuck up shots all day. He already proved he is an all around player on the college level but nothing really stands out beside his ability to iso and his ability to rebound for his position.
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