2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[HotelVitale]

Odd reading those tweets and the person confidently reporting as if 5 & 10 are too much for #3 or #4. When has it ever been enough?

This year it obviously is. That's why you want to make that trade, why all of us would, and why Kings fans don't. If we pull it off it'd feel like a solid move all around--and a slam dunk to most--not something we're grudgingly accepting. That tells you all you need to know.

What does that mean "he wants a lot"? He's the one talking to multiple teams trying to trade up to get his guy!

But he knows--like we all know--that teams really really want those two cracks at the top 10 more than they want the higher pick. Shouldn't pretend we have leverage we don't, or pretend that the Kings wanting to move up means they'd give up anything to do so (and lose any leverage in any deal).

[BigSleep333]

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simmons will be our primary playmaker, period. playmaking is simmons' obv best strength...i cant imagine anybody on the sixers staff isnt committed with simmons as our future point.

[Kobblehead]

A marriage of athleticism and talent makes for a good swing for an offensive star, but I think Dennis Smith has huge bust potential. I think Smith, Tatum and Ntilikina are the riskiest picks in the Top 10.

[SelfishPlayer]

This isn't a 10 player draft IMO. #5 has value but what's the difference between #10 and #18?
Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox, Smith, Isaac, Monk, Tatum, 8 players at the top alone. I was higher on TLC than the guys still on the board after those top 8.

[OleSchool]

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I'm generally always against a trade down. It makes even less sense when you're talking about a top 3 pick in the NBA draft. Those opportunities shouldn't be wasted attempting to get an insignificant additional role player, like what you're​ likely to get at #10.

Trading down is a mistake, but if they do it for Dennis Smith it would lessen the sting a bit.

It's no secret I don't like this draft at all, good players just don't see any all-stars. I just have a feeling that the best player in this draft is coming after 5. I'd be ok with DSJ. I think he has a ton of talent. Hopefully his freshman year was just a bad situation

[Sixerscan]

Odd reading those tweets and the person confidently reporting as if 5 & 10 are too much for #3 or #4. When has it ever been enough?

This year it obviously is. That's why you want to make that trade, why all of us would, and why Kings fans don't. If we pull it off it'd feel like a solid move all around--and a slam dunk to most--not something we're grudgingly accepting. That tells you all you need to know.

What does that mean "he wants a lot"? He's the one talking to multiple teams trying to trade up to get his guy!

But he knows--like we all know--that teams really really want those two cracks at the top 10 more than they want the higher pick. Shouldn't pretend we have leverage we don't, or pretend that the Kings wanting to move up means they'd give up anything to do so (and lose any leverage in any deal).

I'm just going off of what is being reported. The Kings are the ones that apparently want Fox. They are the ones talking to multiple teams about trading up. The Sixers and Suns could just as easily talk to any other team in the top 10 about trading back, and just pick up a player or future pick instead of #10. It's not like #10 is some sort of unique asset the way these top 5 picks are. If there were actual reports that the Sixers "want multiple cracks at the top 10" it would be a different story.

[Unbreakable99]

Good read. He thinks Ball is the best prospect not Fultz.

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[76ciology]

Hhahaha so much smokescreens that you better check in on the draft like a day before the event or you'll just be victims of click bait articles

[Chris76]

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simmons will be our primary playmaker, period. playmaking is simmons' obv best strength...i cant imagine anybody on the sixers staff isnt committed with simmons as our future point.

Simmons' ballhandling + passing skills are elite. If he becomes a good perimeter defender, he will fit with almost any line up. Many people don't believe he is a PG because of his size, but they don't understand his skill set. Furthermore, a player like Isaac will be perfect with Simmons + Embiid. A matchup nightmare.

[brannigan73]

People are over thinking this way too much. I would be suprised if the Sixers came out of this draft with anyone but Jackson, Ball, or Monk. Despite the various smoke screens and chatter the Sixers draft board resembles most teams draft boards and that is Fultz, Ball, and Jackson as the top three players. If the Lakers pass on Ball the Sixers will snap him up. If not it will be Jackson. If the Sixers get cold feet about drafting a marginal jump shooter in Jackson they will trade down and get another asset and draft Monk. To Issac and DSJ people I have two word for you: not happening. You are over-rating them as players particularly in the shooting department. There college free throw and 3 pt percentages project them to be average NBA three point shooters at best.

[Sixerscan]

This Simmons as a point guard argument is among the most annoying we have had in a while so I don't really want to get into it again, but there could easily be a situation where his skills develop in a way that he plays with someone that handles a good chunk of the point guard skills the way Draymond does or Lebron has done at various times throughout his career. Heck there were times that Magic wasn't really playing the point full time. He's 20 years old he has a long career ahead of him you can't project him exactly. This idea that Embiid and Simmons are going to play the exact same roles for the next 15 years isn't going to happen.

[Unbreakable99]

I love this article so much lol.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/15/15760050/nba-draft-2017-lonzo-ball-better-markelle-fultz-celtics-la-lakers

1. Ball’s upside to be the best player on a championship team is greater than Fultz’s

Most others disagree, but I find it nearly impossible to envision Markelle Fultz as the best player on a championship team.

[Kobblehead]

We've all been saying the same things about Fultz all year. He was handpicked as the draft darling early on and somehow held the title all year long. Ball and Jackson always were more deserving.

[rpa]

This isn't a 10 player draft IMO. #5 has value but what's the difference between #10 and #18?
Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox, Smith, Isaac, Monk, Tatum, 8 players at the top alone. I was higher on TLC than the guys still on the board after those top 8.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1558030&start=1780#p56220917

Grain of salt since it is Chad Ford (though it's apparently an accumulation of teams' draft beliefs so, maybe a bit more accurate?), but it's looking like the tier cutoff stops around 10 or 11 (depending on your view of Collins which Ford calls out).

[HotelVitale]

I'm just going off of what is being reported. The Kings are the ones that apparently want Fox. They are the ones talking to multiple teams about trading up. The Sixers and Suns could just as easily talk to any other team in the top 10 about trading back, and just pick up a player or future pick instead of #10. It's not like #10 is some sort of unique asset the way these top 5 picks are. If there were actual reports that the Sixers "want multiple cracks at the top 10" it would be a different story.

Junk reporters like Pompey have plenty of motivation to tell you something that's great for us is closer and realer to happening than it is (they get an easy story by parroting rumors instead of doing something that requires real work). The whole pt of cites like this is to use our own heads, or aggregate a broad consensus of opinions from here and the media folks that actually pay attention, so that we can make better informed judgments than those guys. I've read plenty about the rumor and basically every Sixers writer/fan has been all about that and every Kings fan has requested that they be executed if that deal went down.

The Kings probably want Fox but that doesn't mean they want him enough to play into our hands. I'm hungry and would really like a Cheesesteak from Blackbird right now rather than going to the corner store near me, but that doesn't mean I'd give up meals for a week to get one. I'd just be nice if I can get one without giving up something that's too meaningful for me.

[Unbreakable99]

If whe do draft Fox third then I think that means a deal has been made.

[Sixerscan]

I'm just going off of what is being reported. The Kings are the ones that apparently want Fox. They are the ones talking to multiple teams about trading up. The Sixers and Suns could just as easily talk to any other team in the top 10 about trading back, and just pick up a player or future pick instead of #10. It's not like #10 is some sort of unique asset the way these top 5 picks are. If there were actual reports that the Sixers "want multiple cracks at the top 10" it would be a different story.

Junk reporters like Pompey have plenty of motivation to tell you something that's great for us is closer and realer to happening than it is (they get an easy story by parroting rumors instead of doing something that requires real work). The whole pt of cites like this is to use our own heads, or aggregate a broad consensus of opinions from here and the media folks that actually pay attention, so that we can make better informed judgments than those guys. I've read plenty about the rumor and basically every Sixers writer/fan has been all about that and every Kings fan has requested that they be executed if that deal went down.

The Kings probably want Fox but that doesn't mean they want him enough to play into our hands. I'm hungry and would really like a Cheesesteak from Blackbird right now rather than going to the corner store near me, but that doesn't mean I'd give up meals for a week to get one. I'd just be nice if I can get one without giving up something that's too meaningful for me.

My issue was saying that Divac is "asking for a lot" to give up 5 and 10. That's not like a specific or unique asset that people would try to get. It would make more sense if it said "Divac doesn't want to give up that much to get Fox" as you laid out in your last paragraph.

[OleSchool]

People are over thinking this way too much. I would be suprised if the Sixers came out of this draft with anyone but Jackson, Ball, or Monk. Despite the various smoke screens and chatter the Sixers draft board resembles most teams draft boards and that is Fultz, Ball, and Jackson as the top three players. If the Lakers pass on Ball the Sixers will snap him up. If not it will be Jackson. If the Sixers get cold feet about drafting a marginal jump shooter in Jackson they will trade down and get another asset and draft Monk. To Issac and DSJ people I have two word for you: not happening. You are over-rating them as players particularly in the shooting department. There college free throw and 3 pt percentages project them to be average NBA three point shooters at best.

???? youre discounting Issac and DSJ shooting percentages but your not discounting Jacksons? who had a lower free throw % than college Shaq??

[Ericb5]

If whe do draft Fox third then I think that means a deal has been made.

Agreed, and to a lesser extent that could be the case if we take Ball. At least, if we take Ball, I will be nervous that we traded him because I think Ball has more trade value at that pick than Jackson does.


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